RON PAUL IS CRAZY!!!

[Lasher]

Run time: 04:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYCr_718ccI   Posted on YouTube: August 05, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 07, 2007 By DU Member: Lasher Views on DU: 3520

 
For any of you out there who think this idiot would make a better president than the worst Democratic candidate.

[angstlessk]

1. I like videos, don't have to read 12 articles to get this information

can just watch and enjoy! I will read the articles mentioned, though, I have not read much about ron paul, but I have heard he is NOT someone I want for president!

[Lasher]

2. I think this nicely sums up the consequences of having Paul in charge.

But he has no chance of winning. The worst that could happen would be if he were to run as a 3rd party candidate and siphon off votes from antiwar Democrats and independents.

[angstlessk]

4. oh, God, I had not thought about that, you are correct, we need to

get this out. I will go to youtube and vote it up there too!

[sonias]

11. Here are some of the links mentioned in the video (Ornicus blog)

Ornicus blog 6/08/07
Ron Paul vs. the New World Order

(snip)
What I didn't expect was that his anti-war advocacy would attract as many evident admirers from the left as it seems to have, particularly those who are dissatisfied with Democrats' apparent fumbling of the Iraq war issue. Certainly, the message boards at liberal outlets like Crooks and Liars who've carried factual counterinformation about Paul have been flooded with raging defenses of the man, as have some of our comments threads.

To what extent this is an illusion created by Paul's legion of True Believers is difficult to ascertain. Paul is very well organized online -- much of his support is derived from this -- and it's entirely likely the flood of "liberals" and "progressives" who are busy arguing that someone like Paul is worth forming an alliance with are, in fact, simply part of Paul's corps and they're doing their part to muddy the waters and ultimately attract new supporters in a "Third Way" kind of strategy.

And to some extent it seems evident that they're succeeding. Mostly, they seem to be taking advantage of a combination of amnesia among those experienced enough to know better, and simple ignorance on the part of progressives who've never heard of, or paid any attention to, Ron Paul previously. They hear Paul's carefully crafted antiwar rhetoric and his critique of the Bush administration -- all of which elide or obscure his underlying beliefs -- and think it sounds pretty good, especially for a Republican.

Ornicus blog 10/11/07
The real Ron Paul surfaces
It's been a rough week for Ron Paul's Republican presidential campaign. First it emerged that he had written a campaign letter (Brendan Nyhan has the PDF) promoting his candidacy in distinctly Patriot/militiaman-like terms:

I don’t need to tell you that our American way of life is under attack. We see it all around us — every day — and it is up to us to save it.

The world’s elites are busy forming a North American Union. If they are successful, as they were in forming the European Union, the good ‘ol USA will only be a memory. We can’t let that happen.

The UN also wants to confiscate our firearms and impose a global tax. The UN elites want to control the world’s oceans with the Law of the Sea Treaty. And they want to use our military to police the world.

On Wednesday Jesus' General noticed that Paul won the coveted endorsement from the white-supremacist organization Stormfront (where we'd already noted he was a favorite).

Ornicus blog 10/15/07

'No fault of his own'

(snip)
It's just who he is. But of course he attracts their support. He's long been a player on the netherworld between the extremist right and mainstream conservatism, acting as a "transmitter" of extremist beliefs who avoids racist and anti-Semitic talk and repackages for broader consumption their bizarre, conspiratorial worldview as ostensibly normative.

It's important to understand that the conspiracy theories to which Paul subscribes serve very specific purposes for the extremist right. For instance: They believe the IRS should be abolished because the 16th Amendment permitting federal income taxes, like all amendments after the Bill of Rights, was not legitimately passed; real "Patriots" believe only in the "organic" Constitution, after all, which allows them to ignore such annoyances as the 13th and 14th amendments or women's suffrage.

Good job for Dave Neiwert on writing about this. This is one of the best summaries of the Paul wing nuttery I've seen. Don't be fooled by Paul - he is crazy.

Sonia

[Lasher]

21. Thanks Sonia, I hadn't yet had time to hit those links.

I was summoned to the local grade school for their Veterans' day program.

Remember, "I am a uniter, not a divider"? Junior sold himself as a moderate before the 2000 election, then revealed himself to be perhaps the most divisive extremist to have ever assumed the presidency. Paul is doing the same thing right now but too bad for him, you can't un-ring a bell and he can't un-say what he really wants to do. People should have seen through Junior's masquerade too but people are more watchful now of shell games.

[AlinPA]

3. That was informative and useful. nt

[onehandle]

5. 42% of DUers can't be wrong.

Can they?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3688155&mesg_id=3688155

[DutchLiberal]

6. I doubt they would really vote for Paul. I think they just want to express how much

they loathe HRC.

[Lasher]

7. Ron Paul supporters can be enthusiastic

But thankfully they are few.

[sonias]

9. But they have no business promoting Paul on this board

If you support Paul, you "Paulistas", you should start your own web board for Libertarians - a Libertarian underground or a Libertarian republic. Pick your poison.

And any poll pitting a Democrat and a Republican should have a none of the above choice as well. I agree that some of those votes for RP (RonPaul) were people who just don't support Hillary. I really doubt they would vote for Paul in the real world. The correct answer in that poll if you didn't support Hillary was not to vote at all!

Paul is an extreme case of wing nuttery.

Sonia

[Lasher]

15. I couldn't agree more

But I know for a fact that Paul supporters are lurking here, putting in an occasional suttle plug, trying to draw off support from peace advocates. In addition to the flaw you just mentioned, my point was that it is likely that these lurkers alerted one another to vote for him in the poll. It's easy to do with online polls. How many times have we 'DUed' a poll?

[jberryhill]

8. 80 votes is not "42% of DUers" /nt

[Ian David]

10. Spongebob Squarepants For President!

[Ian David]

12. Ron Paul is not crazy! He's a GENIUS! Please stop saying he is crazy!

Make sure you tell every Republican you meet that you think Ron Paul is BRILLIANT!

Just so long as they don't know that you're a Democrat.

Repeat after me, and practice saying this in front of a mirror:

"I am a Republican, and Ron Paul is the only candidate, from either party, who makes any sense."

Say it again, until you can do it with a straight face:

"I am a Republican, and Ron Paul is the only candidate, from either party, who makes any sense."

Now again, this time, try and sound ernest and sincere:

"I am a Republican, and Ron Paul is the only candidate, from either party, who makes any sense."

Now, work on a 30-second "Elevator Speech" to explain to Republican strangers (who don't know you're a Democrat) why they should throw all their time and money behind electing Ron Paul, and why doing so is NOT futile.

Of course, it's all bullshit.

But you did NOT hear me say that.

[Lasher]

16. That is a very good point.

And funny too. :thumbsup:

[Ian David]

22. I LOVE THE PAULTARDS!

[bonito]

13. I won't defend Paul here

It's against the rules, and if I did it would be with facts not someone behind shaded glasses,
But I for one will not vote for a progressive policy institute neocon ever. http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1534

[progressoid]

14. My daughter has to do a report on Ron Paul.

I think I'll have her watch this!

[Lasher]

18. Maybe she could scrutinize Paul's plan to eliminate all individual Federal income taxes...

And pay down the national debt at the same time. Maybe the economy would flourish because all the kids, with nothing else left to do after he closes all the public schools, would flock in droves to slave in sweatshops in Paul's brave new unregulated world. We could sell lead-laced toys to the Chinese for lower prices than they could make them themselves.

More seriously, how is his economic vision different from the 19th century world of robber barons?

[Perry Logan]

17. In fairness, many DUers probably knew little about Paul. For a second, he looks like a sane Repub.

Videos like this excellent one quickly correct that impression.

[Lasher]

19. That is the kindest thing anybody has said to me online all day.

Thank you for taking the time to share that with me.

[Perry Logan]

20. You're welcome. The conspiracy guys here in Austin are always raving about Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a kind of secular saint for Alex Jones and the other conspiracy guys here in Austin. So I knew from the start he was crazy.

[ConfidentialStatus]

26. Can I jump on the band wagon?

The video shows how ignorant we Americans are today. Bob squarepants has a better chance understanding the 10th amendment. Let's start with abortion.... ahhh forget it. I had to 86 the attack piece. Ron Paul is one crazy guy and to think he wants to end the war on drugs too. He must be on drugs to come up with that nutty idea. Because the corporate media told me we are winning that war. But duhhhhhhh I'm so dumbed down I need to watch a video like that to sharpen my thinking.:eyes:


This is the reason my wife and I are voting with our minds and not party. Can someone please start some attacks threads on Rosie ( for bringing up building 7) Cindy (for trying to stop the war} do the CodePink ladies support Ron Paul yet?

I have one last question what is the reason some of you start Ron Paul threads? This site more and more is behaving... errr.... the smear & bash underground.

[Lasher]

28. This is the wrong wagon.

Did you happen to notice that Ron Paul is a Republican? And maybe you didn't read this when you signed up here at DU:

Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

Maybe you can elicit more sympathy at websites that support Republicans.

[ConfidentialStatus]

35. The Republicans tell me he isn't

a Republican. Color me confused. I support the truth and usually try to stay away from the nonsense. I like Dennis Kucinich... and Dennis & Ron are friends. I don't read about them bashing each other. Maybe they're true Patriots.

[robbedvoter]

30. Sooo...you put Paul in the same cathegory as Sheehan and Code Pink?

The main difference: Sheehan, Code Pink & most of us are against the war because it's morally wrong.
Paul&gang are against it mostly because it makes us actually come close to furriners - eeewww! when in fact we should mind our own country EXCLUSIVELY and watch for the black helicopters UN sends to tax us.
I fewer words - he is - like Pat Buchanan - and isolationist. I wouldn't trust people like this - not even with ending the war - they might decide to blow the rest of the world instead so we don't get "alien cooties"

[ConfidentialStatus]

34. So if it's morally wrong

Can you please share with me how we stop the war? Who are the people you trust? Please tell us.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

23. Thanks for posting

An important reminder to anyone who thinks giving executive power to Ron Paul is a good idea.

[Quixote1818]

24. Ron Paul may be against the War but he would be the biggest disaster of all the Republicans

He would have this country even more fucked up than Bush Domestically though his foreign policy is actually pretty good. All in all if he got his way this Country would collapse!

[rAVES]

25. Nice hit job! If you where lazy you could accept all that on his word and think Ron is Evil..

[Lasher]

27. Thank you very much.

But I have no idea where lazy is.

[robbedvoter]

31. So...he didn't vote against help for Katrina? he is not against public education?

Not against abortion, pro-gun?
Seems to me this so called "hit job" is a very straightforward exposee on views and agenda on some very deceptive flavor of the day. I ask you too: in what way is Ron Paul a better choice than say, Gravel or DK?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

32. He's not evil

he's just a nutjob.

[robbedvoter]

29. This is a much needed public service announcement - thank you!

[MindMatter]

33. It is all true, and he's still the safest of the GOP bunch

Yes, Ron Paul is a whack job, and would be a disaster for America. But compared to the rest of the GOP bunch, he's the best of the lot by a long shot.

[nuKE_roCker]

36. anarchists

libertarian socialism is what anarchists are called. I'm sure that they don't want to be associated with Ron Paul either. Very good video!

[LaStrega]

37. I'm a subscriber of the WebPundit

Although I don't agree with all of his rants, I especially agreed with this one.

Actually, I found this thread due to an attempt on my part to post this particular video.

k&r w00t

[Radical Activist]

38. Paul is a libertarian but not an anarchist.

There's a difference. Anarchists fight against corporate domination and control of society as well as government control. Libertarians take away power from government so those with the most money can run everything.

[BornagainDUer]

39. Paul is a racist without a doubt and an imp of fascism like most Libertarians

[and-justice-for-all]

40. Anything like this for huckabee and mittens?

since they are the 2, and I guess ghouliani too, on the rethug side that have a chance at getting the nod.