CODEPINK Demonstrates Waterboarding to Feinstein at CNN

[Hissyspit]

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On November 4, 2007, CODEPINK activists enacted a live waterboarding demonstration for Senator Feinstein as she entered CNN studios in Washington, D.C.

[babylonsister]

1. Rec'd! nt

[deacon]

2. Refusing To Say Waterboarding Is Torture, Justice Nominee Puts the Ball In Congress' Court

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/04/opinion/courtwatch/main3450456.shtml

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Go Code Pink!!

:woohoo:

[babylonsister]

4. Those women are fearless! And DiFi can't say she isn't getting our message. nt

[graywarrior]

5. Intense.

And how more clear can you get?

[designforce]

6. She needs to go.

So, this is how we are repaid.

We need to get rid of her kind of Dems right after we oust the repubs.

Agree with the bravery of Code Pink. The country owes them a debt of gratitude.

[demnan]

7. Great demonstration by some dedicated patriots

K&R

[Krashkopf]

17. A powerful protest, at first blush, but . . .

Don't get me wrong, I am in AWE of the tenacious members of Code Pink. I wish I were as brave as they are in speaking TRUTH to POWER.

But, I have a problem with torturing a person - even a willing volunteer - to protest the use of torture.

If that man was really being waterboarded, it was wrong to do it, because torture is always wrong - whether it is being used to interrogate a terror suspect, or to drive home a political point. If he was not really being waterboarded (if he was wearing nose plugs - which I hope is the case) his cries of agony might have been realistic, or they might just been very interesting, very distrubing, political theater. Who knows?

Krash

[rucognizant]

19. The finest theater in the country

is being performed in service to the political issues! Code Pink matches the skills of th Rovian propaganda theater!
He may wind up with a wicked case of swimmers ear. They were pouring the water onto the side of his head, check the alignment of his nose!
Did you notice DIFI putting her arm around Medea's shoulders at first encounter, untill the theater became too disturbing to her.

[LeahMira]

20. I agree.

Waterboarding... even with a willing volunteer, even if it's "managed" in such a way that no harm is done... is still wrong.

[D23MIURG23]

36. If no harm is done then how is it wrong?

[Moochy]

50. Because Code Pink needs to be bashed!

cmon get with the program! :yoiks:

[Krashkopf]

72. I'm not bashing anyone

You must have missed my high praise of CODE PINK in the original message.

[ooglymoogly]

51. Many people have died from waterboarding.

Having been brought back from almost drowning in a boating accident, it is a horrific death and in the case of waterboarding a very prolonged agonizing and torturous death.

[D23MIURG23]

52. Consentual victims in (possibly fake) waterboarding incedents during anti-torture protests?

If so is it always wrong to do something dangerous to prove an important point?

[ooglymoogly]

63. I have no doubt that the water boarding by code pink was

pure theater...and god bless them for this powerful message to DIN0 DiFi.

[whopis01]

42. You have a problem with consenting adults committing certain acts together?

Those are exactly the sort of ideas that get us into regulating everyone's private life.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

43. This person who volunteered chose to sacrifice himself for the cause

Not unlike the monks who set themselves on fire during the Viet Nam war.

[Richard D]

54. They're pouring the water on his forehead . . .

. . . not in his mouth. Nor is he tied down. Nor is the towel stuffed in his mouth.

Probably still miserable, but not the real thing.

[Moochy]

61. FAKES!!! RAWR OUTRAGE AT CODEPINK

sorry was that good?

[D23MIURG23]

69. Don't make fun of it!!!

Torture is bad and therefore code pink is EVIL for using it as a tactic!!! I think this dishonors people who have been tortured!!!! I think Code pink is trying to make fun of people who get tortured and desensitize people to torture so that more torture can happen while all the while waterboarding people themselves because they are evil!!!!!!

:rofl:

I shouldn't laugh. This really isn't funny subject matter.

[Moochy]

71. sometimes laughing is the only option

I'll join you on the floor.
:rofl:

[ClayZ]

8. Bravo, Code Pink!

K and R

[King Coal]

9. All Hail to thee, code pink ladies, All Hail to thee, All Hail

All Hail all hail all hail all hail
All Hail all hail all hail all hail
All Hail to thee, code pind Ladies
All to thee All hail


Take it Will

[bdamomma]

10. Diane Feinstein was quick to leave wasn't she??

and when these practices are done to our soldiers all bloody hell will break loose. Just giving this thuggish regime more control for them to commit these heinous acts. * does not give a damn about our troops.

Thank god for Code Pink!!!!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

44. Feinstein was disgusting ...

Placating them with smiles while waving them off and getting rid of them as f*ing fast as she could. What a hack.

[FunMe]

57. ANOTHER one my state of California ...

that I am FIRING!

Feinstein, the West Coast LIEberman, joins Pelosi as another Political SKANK!

[BrklynLib at work]

11. They are incredibly courageous women..the "Iron-Jawed Angels" of this century

[leftchick]

12. K&R FOR CODE PINK!

:bounce:

DiFi looked scared! She should!

[mikelgb]

13. kick-ass ladies

give her hell

[WileEcoyote]

14. I used to live on Irving St. in S/F myself.

Feinstein probably won't listen on this one. Remember she made her fortune as a slumlord in San Francisco.

She's done some good things and some bad but won't usually buck the general trend. And she doesn't have any serious political fallout in response voting in favor of Mukasey.

It's a nice try Code Pink, but I predict that Di Fi won't listen.

Doesn't need to in order to keep her job.

[fooj]

34. Dianne has managed to give herself a "two-fer".

War profiteer AND a war criminal. Heck of a job, DiFi.

[WileEcoyote]

41. My buddy was bumpd off a forum for

calling Di Fi an unflattering word. Happened a long time ago.

Feinstein always looked better when she was running against a shithead like Seymour or Wilson. Two republicans who are truly awful all the time.

And she's done some good things for CA. Helped pass the California desert protection Act of 1994. I was working with her then. Volunteer activist. Picked up the ball where Cranston left off.

California was more conservative back then. Feinstein looked better in the historical perspective. Boxer surprised me because much as I liked her I felt she was unelectable at that time (1992).

Today though Di Fi needs to retire. Find a solid Democrat moving up the ladder and replce her. Newsom's out. Forget about his affair with his co worker's wife. he doesn't have the gumption for a statewide battle. Too much of a rich kid "pretty boy" outside of S/F.

San Francisco is fairly conservative now. You wouldn't recognize it if you left there in 1999 and came back today. The rents are through the roof. One year (2002) i lived in my school bus RV on the streets of S/F. Was great! You couldn't do that now. They impound all vehicles the homeless sleep in and have signs posted everywhere to keep the million dollar two bedroom homes "safe" from those down on their luck.

Big money rules. Di Fi has plenty of that.

[Joanne98]

15. BWHAHAHA!!!!!! K&R!

[eyepaddle]

16. Wow, you really have to hand it to CODEPINK

At least there are a few groups with this kind of courage.

[Ricki]

18. Codepink ROCKS!!

Thank you Codepink.

[Bread and Circus]

21. K and R for Code Pink. Why does Feinstein act like she doesn't see/hear them?

[DesEtoiles]

22. DiFi is only truly concerned about her helmet hair

[MarinCoUSA]

23. Thank you Code Pink. n/t

[LSK]

24. Wow!

K&R

[MuseRider]

25. I love Code Pink!

Making a difference, or certainly trying for all of us.

[stimbox]

26. Thank you Pink Ladies!!!!

:yourock:

[onelittleindian]

27. waterboarding

I can't believe code pink just tortured someone. It is bad enough that bush does it. What if a kid sees this video, he will now know how to torture where before he most likely didn't. Thanks code pink, I thought we were on the same side on this issue then you trivialize it by doing it yourself.

[tinrobot]

37. I was thinking similar things...

By turning waterboarding it into a publicity stunt, these people completely dilute their point - that it's torture.

Purposely torturing people is no way to get publicity.

[Moochy]

45. Fake outrage

Clearly you had to work 10-15 minutes on mustering the outrage for this post. Clearly.

[FreedomUnderground]

47. This Was a Stupid Stunt

Henri Alleg, an 86-year-old journalist was subjected to waterboarding by French troops during the war for Algerian independence, and says no civilized country should allow it. He describes his lungs being repeatedly partially filled with water and then being beaten on the chest to expel the water to allow for additional torture. This media stunt makes a mockery of the horror of the actual act.

[Moochy]

49. Yes much better for them to not demonstrate

Stay at home code pink you are making it worse!

right?

[FreedomUnderground]

59. Listen to Someone Who Knows - Get Real!

There are no demonstrations that can accurately do justice to
this torture. These "demonstrations" mock the
severity of this despicable act. How about a
"demonstration" of having your fingernails pulled
out?

This administration gets away with murder. This is what we
have become. How any republican or democrat enabler can claim
any loyalty to freedom and justice is beyond comprehension. We
are now practicing what our enemies preach and do. We return
evil for evil. Disgusting!

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[D23MIURG23]

68. And your suggestion is not to protest?

[rockybelt]

28. Torture

This bitch just don't care.
Enough said.:banghead:

[cooolandrew]

29. CODE PINK ROCK !!!

[The M Double]

30. Kick

Very Blair Witch with the camera... I need to go puke now (obviously for multiple reasons)...
Work it Code Pink, work it!

[happygoluckytoyou]

31. FEINSTEIN IS JUST GOP LITE... we should dump her at the next opportunity

IF IT LOOKS LIKE A REPUBLICAN AND VOTES LIKE A REPUBLICAN AND TAPS ITS TOE IN THE MENS ROOM LIKE A REPUBLICAN..... WE SHOULD VOTE THE JERK OUT OF OFFICE...... BYE BYE LADY DI

[Ken Burch]

32. No surprise that Dianne Feinstein wouldn't care about suffering.

She owes her whole career to the killings of a progressive mayor and a progressive gay city supervisor. Dan White gave her her big break in show business.

[LiberalLovinLug]

33. Why the fake torture?

I also share the opinion that the mock torture was wrong - on so many levels.

If he was really being tortured, as some here seem to actually believe, it surely was not the same intensity of an actual waterboarding session. He most likely had nose plugs on and also was not subject to being taken to the point of near drowning, only the occasional splash. And also, and this goes for all of those media 'demonstrations', the 'victim' KNOWS that it is all an act. Part of the mechanism of real torture is that the victim is in a hopeless situation where he fears he could very well die at the hands of the torturers. This "terrorism" of not knowing if they are going to kill you is combined with the actual physical pain and shock.

So it is nowhere near the reality. But what will happen is that some riech wing blogger will use this clip as a demonstration, by Code Pink no less, how inane and non-threatening waterboarding is - that they could use it in a kind of harmless show-and-tell to make a political point.

[Moochy]

46. Overanalysis paralysis

[tinrobot]

48. If waterboarding is truly torture, then you wouldn't do it to anyone.

By faking it, you make it look harmless.

[D23MIURG23]

53. Actors portray murder all the time. Have they made it harmless yet?

[tinrobot]

56. They don't make it harmless, but they do numb us to it.

n/t

[D23MIURG23]

60. I think the concern here is way out of proportion

The obvious intent of Codepink was to do just the opposite, to take the debate about waterboarding out of the abstract and put it in the flesh. This would be better facilitated by using CIA footage of real, nonconsenting, detainees being tortured, but of course its hard for any of us to facilitate that.

I thought this was a reasonable substitute, and I find the idea that this protest would have caused otherwise concerned individuals to scoff at torture absurd.

Diane Feinstein did scoff, but she is apparently above concern for petty issues like the treatment of peasants, and the fate of our republic.

[Moochy]

62. Come to expect this level of "CON-cern"

when dealing with code pink.

[D23MIURG23]

65. Ive seen resistance to code pink before, but these arguments are weird

Usually its the freepy types attacking code pink and the arguments are more along the lines of "these lefty wackos are making the democratic party look bad".

If you follow the logic of "its never ok to inflict pain on a consenting adult" argument, then you end up opposing body modification (tattoo, piercing etc.) voluntary initiation rites and fasting, and optional surgery. If you follow the "seeing water boarding at a protest causes desensitization" argument then murder, rape and torture, should already not bother us due to the code pink dwarfing media saturation of all three.

These people don't seem freepy, but I honestly can't figure out where they are coming from.

[Moochy]

66. No freepys

there is plenty of home-grown big-tent blue dog opposition to code pink from authoritarian centrists who disapprove of all demonstrations of protest, "Becuz dey make us look bad" or "Cuz Code Pink dresses silly" This seems to come from the same single issue new posters.

[D23MIURG23]

67. Yeah, that subtype files under the heading "cryptofreeper" in my mind

Maybe thats unfairly harsh, but my thinking is that if you disapprove of dissent, and you are against democrats who differ substantially from the rightwing fascist viewpoint on anything, then what you really want is a singular fascist party with two distinct wings. You are simply working to attain it by appealing to appeal to reason, rather than being a fullblown freeper and posting stuff that is blatatntly xenophobic and authoritarian.

[dmr]

55. You ought to read what Daniel Levin has to say about that

Google him, see what he has to say about what he felt when he was water-boarded under a controlled environment.

Of course, to quote you, it's "not the same intensity of an actual waterboarding session."

THAT is exactly the POINT! It is actually torture, and if Bush*, DiFi, Gonzales, Schumer, Bush* Cheney and countless other psychopaths weren't so damn cold-hearted, there wouldn't even be a need for Levin or Code Pink do these demonstrations.

Edited to fix grammar

[951-Riverside]

35. I love how she tried to pretend like they were not there

I'm convinced some of these politicians have joined into a secret mutual agreement/pact. They won't go against each other no matter what.

[BornagainDUer]

38. This has to be one of the smartest damn things I've seen lately.

Yet so simple. Just do a demonstration. Who woulda' thunk it? Simply do the demo and let people decide for themselves whether it is torture.
The next time someone tries to say it isn't torture people will remember that visual.

Brilliant!


Hmmmm, what other things the Repuggies like to confuse us with could we do a vid on?

[stirlingsliver]

39. B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L!

I love the color pink.

And I love how Code Pink speaks the Truth To Power.

Good Job.

Great Job!

[Mithreal]

40. Ignore(ance) is not only bliss but a defense...

If you ignore something long enough it will go away, right? That belief is applied to issues of the day, protesters, progressives, whatever... They have learned that ignore(ance) is not only bliss but a defense.

[JoeySoCal]

58. Fucking love these heros to death.

They are doing exactly what I feel like doing.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Code Pink.
The blood on Condoleeza's hand was great as well. You have been doing an incalculable service.
Thank you, you are soldiers of love.

Joey,
LA area

[Moochy]

64. K&R

:kick:

[Ladyhawk]

70. I sent her a two-sentence e-mail today.

This is all it said:

"I'm disgusted by you. With Democrats like you, who needs Republicans?"

She's unreachable. In fact, I feel it's a complete waste of time to contact most politicians.