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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 11:35 AM
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Brian Cox: THE MOST IMPORTANT DISCOVERY IN PHYSICS IN THE LAST 100 YEARS (IF CONFIRMED)
 
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I can't wait to see where this goes!! FermiLab said they are getting to work on it right away...Not sure how long it will take to replicate the experiment to see whether or not they can repeat it? Those who may know please speak up! Thanks!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 11:36 AM
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1. Will it help me to move through traffic faster?
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jonthebru Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 01:11 PM
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7. Only if you have a Quantum Mechanic
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Texifornia Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 02:25 PM
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13. *Golf Clap*
My quantum mechanic is a quarky fellow.
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mindwalker_i Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 02:30 PM
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14. He's a small man, and not very predictable
Still beta than the other guy though.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 03:47 PM
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19. I get uncertain results from my quantum mechanic.
He seems to work fast, but whenever I look in on him, he's just standing around drinking espresso . . . which makes him jumpy. He also got romantically entangled with the billing manager. She's charming, but strange, and may be a "top."
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 04:03 PM
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21. Can he fix my accelerator?
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 06:51 PM
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27. Or take a shortcut
onto Hidden Dimension Avenue.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 12:10 PM
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2. I love science!
Edited on Sun Sep-25-11 12:10 PM by AlbertCat
Its humility in 1st assuming that it is WRONG and requiring independent confirmtion... several times... before acceptance is the key to its phenomenal success.

Nothing like that is found even remotely near religion or politics.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 12:25 PM
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3. Who said at FermiLab?
My son works there. My daughter's fiance does his work in association with Fermi. I want to ask them if they know who will work on it.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 01:46 PM
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10. FermiLab is one of only two places in the world...
Where they can replicate the experiment...The other is in Japan & its shut down due to the March 11th Earthquake.

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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 02:07 PM
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11. Well, Fermi is shutting down the Tevatron, the
underground loop. They are concentrating on other types of experiments. They tried to get money to keep the tevatron, but in this poisonous, anti-intellectual atmosphere, it is impossible.

Also, CERN is doing a lot more of the work they used to do at Fermi, with a more powerful accelerator. They do some things jointly, and stay in communication with each other.

My son's experiment will continue. Someone has to keep the computers going, and he does that.

I emailed him. I will ask my daughter too, to see if her fiance knows anything. He seems to be in on everything that goes on there, and he knows everyone.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 02:47 PM
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17. If you get some news PLEASE SHARE!!
Thanks!!
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 04:06 PM
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22. I will do that. n/t
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 10:59 AM
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29. I spoke to my daughter and the physicist who will be a
member of my family in the near future.

He says the lab saw some data similar to this. (Fermi). There need to be more experiments that replicate this finding. Tom, the physicist, read the paper, and in it he saw that the phenomenon was observed 16,000 times. That is a lot, but so much physics has been verified based on relativity that if this were true, our world as we understand it would shift. I am not a physicist, so I hope this makes sense.

The Tevatron shuts down Friday, barring a miracle from our stupid, deadlocked Congress. If Congress can't aid the victims of hurricanes and tornadoes, I can't see them doing anything to help us understand the universe at large. Anyway, it does not look like FermiLab will be doing any new work in this area. There are other active projects going on there that do not use the accelerator.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 12:27 PM
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4. Yes, but the first one thousand people will probably arrive in the past as a pile of
hamburger meat.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 12:49 PM
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5. Wait until science shows the fundies our universe is just one of billions
just like our sun is one of billions in our lone universe. Someday, many millenia from now, we will probably have a Hubble-like telescope sitting on the very outer-edge of our universe taking an Ultra deep-field shot out into the blackness, and see that we are not alone as the fundies think. Heads will explode.

Imagine the discoveries to be made from an edge of the universe ultra deep field shot:



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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 01:21 PM
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8. No sale
Either fundies or the human race will be extinct 1000 years from now.
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cpwm17 Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 03:22 PM
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18. It sure does seem it's likely there are many trillions of universes - or infinite universes.
The odds that just one universe, such as our own Universe, could exist with all of the forces in the correct proportions and strengths, etc, and which then could allow life to evolve, is one in countless trillions. It's almost impossible. But if there are infinite universes (infinite multiverse) (or at least a huge number), each with different properties, then the existence of universes that can evolve life would possible or guaranteed. Since the possible, given an infinite number of opportunities (in an infinite multiverse), is guaranteed to happen an infinite number of times. So there could still be an infinite number of universes with life - despite the long odds in a single universe.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 01:00 PM
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6. Not so fast...
A particle physicist did some calculations: if high energy neutrinos travel faster than the speed of light as quickly as was indicated at CERN, then we would have seen neutrinos from the SN1987a supernova 4.14 years before we saw the light from that same event:

http://neutrinoscience.blogspot.com/2011/09/arriving-fashionable-late-for-party.html

In fact, we saw the neutrinos only 3 hours before the event (neutrinos are the first to escape a supernova, which is why the photons were delayed)

Yes, perhaps they didn't think to look for neutrinos 4.14 years before the SN1987a event, but we can't look at just the CERN data, we have other sources. Before we get all excited about this new data from CERN, let's see what data everyone else discovers.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 01:42 PM
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9. I think you are alone in terms of jumping...
to conclusions.
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cpwm17 Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 02:43 PM
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15. I'll remain skeptical
Since the measurements weren't far from the speed of light and there could have been some measurement errors. Here's one man's view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM4Ol4aEcng&feature=feedu

We've recently discovered that our Universe seems to be expanding at an accelerating rate, so some of our previous assumptions could be wrong under some conditions. So we shouldn't be too surprised if the speed of light could be broken.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 02:46 PM
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16. I am with you 100% on being skeptical...
That is why I said it is going to be exciting to see how this turns out. Yes, this is what makes science so FUCKING AWESOME!! Right?
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 06:49 PM
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26. You're supposed to be skeptical.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 02:10 PM
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12. haha. i used to love in old episodes of stargate.. "neutrino radiation" was often associated
with the devices that transported one between different dimensions.
in particular the Crystal Skull episode, also the Quantum Mirrors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUkO4BZNC18


and here was cox mentioning that perhaps these neutrinos "took a short-cut" between some un-measured dimensions lol
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 03:53 PM
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20. The new particle is shaped like a little blue police phone box,
and may be bigger on the inside. Time traveling faster than light particles are cool.
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Weird Liberal Head Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 05:21 PM
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23. Neutrinos are notoriously tricky...
...from the bit I know about particle physics. Let's be slow to jump to conclusions about this.
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David Sky Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 05:46 PM
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25. I know NOTHING about Neutrinos....and I'm not even Italian, but they sound pretty much
like the outlaws we tried to defeat when we were going after heliocentrists, back in those golden days of papal physics.

Just a joke, if you don't like, don't flame, please.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 07:16 PM
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28. I don't think anyone has jumpred to any conclusion but...
Either way it will be exciting to see how it turns out. The guys/gals working with OPERA seem to be sure about their measurements but they themselves said it is too early to call this a discover...Fermilab in Chi. will have to carry out the same experiment & see if they can repeat the results. In 2007 scientist at Fermilab had similar results but their measurements the margin for error was such the findings were not scientifically significant. So, like i said this is going to good stuff either way...And this is what makes science the best system humans have invented!
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David Sky Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 05:37 PM
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24. Brian Cox, the Carl Sagan of 2011.. and beyond...
Edited on Sun Sep-25-11 05:40 PM by David Sky
We non-physicists learn our physics and astronomy from THIS man now, we used to learn from Carl Sagan, we don't anymore.

Carl did a good job for us 20-30 years ago. Brian takes over, in Carl's absence. We should know this by now.

Brian is brilliant, and can use the internet, better TV images, better computer generated graphics, and the blessings of physicists, astronomers, and other scientists from around the world who now can communicate in real time....... and Brian is personable, and a but boyish looking, but not at all a boy, a man of immense capability and his additional blessings of the internet and advanced computers to teach us all.

Thank you, Brian and all of you around the world who bring us forward in our understanding of science!

Thank you, all!
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