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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:30 PM
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Sen Chuck Hagel: "DISGUSTED" with Republican Party: ‘An Astounding Lack Of Responsible Leadership’
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 03:31 PM by kpete
 
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Hagel blasted GOP leadership for their “irresponsible actions” during the debt ceiling debacle, noting that “I think about some of the presidents we’ve had on my side of the aisle — Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., go right through them, Eisenhower — they would be stunned.”

“Disgusted” with the debt ceiling negotiations, Hagel called it “an astounding lack of responsible leadership by many in the Republican party, and I say that as a Republican.” “Does anyone not believe what’s happened here the last couple weeks in the market was not a complete, direct result of the lack of confidence that came out of that folly, that embarrassment?”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/31/309366/former-gop-senator-chuck-hagel-republican-party-has-an-astounding-lack-of-responsible-leadership/
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:42 PM
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1. This is simply the outcome.....
...of Nixon's "southern strategy" when they gathered-in all the old fart racists who fled the Democratic Party after LBJ championed the Civil Rights bill. This is what chickens coming home to roost looks like.

- Of course the system is inherently flawed. So no matter what caused it, it was going to happen, one way or another, anyway......

K&R
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:11 PM
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17. So, what is your suggestion?
Should we have embraced the racists? Should we have abandoned the civil rights objectives?

The only thing inherently flawed in the system is GOP efforts to suppress the vote and change the outcome of a legitimate election.

That is the reason for all these voter suppression efforts nation wide. Demographic changes have made the Democratic Party's chances far better than they were in the past. The right wing's response to this is to use subterfuge and cheat in the elections.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 03:52 PM
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2. Hagel as been one of the few voices of reason
in the GOP line up. Albeit I don't agree with him on every issue, I think he's at least pragmatist rather than an extremist douche bag.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:15 PM
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18. Like many of the other sound bite TV politicians
Hagel is playing a specific role. Hear me out.

We are the victims of an elaborate scheme.

These operatives created a spectacle, the debt ceiling crisis debate, complete with every sort of unreasonable behavior one could imagine thrust into the public eye. Unreasonable, even insane rhetoric was thrown in the public's face every day.

Now that the dust has settled Hagel sounds very reasonable when he says, "I think Obama should have embraced the Bowles-Simpson Commission findings." Hey, Chuck, Obama created the Fucking Bowles-Simpson Commission.

Hey, Hagel, The FUCKING Bowles-Simpson Commission didn't even embrace the Bowles-Simpson Commission findings! It was voted DOWN by the commission!

This is just more bullshit smokescreen to make cutting social security and medicare seem like a reasonable deal. Don't fall for this crap.


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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 01:12 PM
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23. you hit it on the head, good mutli-dimensional thinking
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 04:18 PM
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3. Too bad his own party ignores him.
Ignores his voice of experience and reason and gleefully embraces the whack-job neophytes that are the TP idiots. :crazy:
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deadinsider Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 06:09 PM
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4. He must have lost some of his 401K
Joking aside: the guy seems okay for an R but I really find it interesting when former pols comment after they're out of office. I know he didn't always carry the water when in office, but so many politicians pull this.

And no: I don't care about pragmatic political science when it comes to crazy. It's too often used as an excuse for cowardice or greed.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 07:13 AM
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6. Had he commented only
after he left office, he would still be in office now.

And welcome to DU :hi:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:54 PM
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5. red ink republikkklans.
grover bots.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 08:21 AM
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7. Senator businessman vote stealer Hagel? You're applauding him?
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 08:25 AM by peacetalksforall
If you want to applaud him you'll find a few things in his Wikipedia bio that you can applaud, but please read some of the rest of it.

Here are three excerpts -

1. "In 1992, as President of investment group McCarthy & Co., Hagel assumed ownership and became Chairman of American Information Services (AIS), later known as Election Systems & Software (ES&S), a manufacturer of computerized voting machines. On March 15, 1995, Hagel resigned from the board of AIS as he intended to run for office.<10>"

2. "Allegations of inadequate disclosure and conflict of interest

In Bev Harris' book Black Box Voting,<11> in an article in The Hill,<12> Hagel is accused of having covered up his involvement with American Information Systems, Inc., the voting machine company. Harris alleges that Hagel omitted mention of AIS from the required US Senate financial disclosure forms. <13>. Harris also says that Hagel hid his continuing investment in the McCarthy Group. Harris writes:
In October 2002, I discovered that he still had undisclosed ownership of ES&E through its parent company, the McCarthy Group. The McCarthy Group is run by Hagel's campaign finance director, Michael R. McCarthy, who is also a director of ES&S. Hagel hid his ties to ES&S by calling his investment of up to $5 million in the ES&S parent company an "excepted investment fund." This is important because senators are required to list the underlying assets for companies they invest in, unless the company is "excepted." To be "excepted," the McCarthy Group must be publicly traded (it is not) and very widely traded (it is not)."
Harris contacted Victor Baird, counsel for the Senate Ethics Committee, to inquire into Hagel's disclosure statements. After some investigation, Baird agreed that Hagel apparently mischaracterized the nature of his investment in the McCarthy Group. Soon afterwards, Baird resigned -- Harris suggests, without proof, that Baird was forced to resign -- and Harris was told that he was unavailable to speak to the press. Harris says that Baird's replacement supported Hagel's characterization of the McCarthy Group as an excepted fund.
Harris and Hartmann imply that Hagel's landslide victories in 1996 and 2002 may have been due to vote tampering. Harris writes, "Hagel defeated popular Democratic Gov. Ben Nelson, who had led in the polls since the opening gun... becoming the first Republican to win a Senate seat in Nebraska in 24 years... What the media didn't report is that Hagel's job, until two weeks before he announced his run for the Senate, was running the voting machine company whose machines would count his votes.".<14> However, Harris and Hartmann provide no concrete evidence of fraud. All they can point to is circumstantial evidence, such as the unexpected nature of the election upset (Hartmann writes, "Hagel won virtually every demographic group, including many largely Black communities that had never before voted Republican") and the odd fact that the voting machines used to count votes in Hagel's Senate bid were built by the very same company that Hagel had recently chaired and that Hagel continued to invest in. Also, Harris reports <15> that Alexander Bolton, author of the Hill article about Hagel, complained that prominent Republican lawyer Jan Baren and Hagel Chief of Staff Lou Ann Linehan visited The Hill office and pressured Bolton, unsuccessfully, to kill or soften the Hagel story."


3. "Hagel's name was widely rumoured to be one of those considered by George W. Bush as a potential running mate in the 2000 presidential election. During the Bush administration, Hagel maintained a "traditionally Republican" voting record, receiving "a lifetime rating of 84 percent from the American Conservative Union and consistent A and B grades from the National Taxpayers Union."<16> Among his most notable votes, Hagel:
Voted for the Iraq war
Voted for the Patriot Act
Voted for the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts
Voted against No Child Left Behind
Voted against Bush’s Medicare prescription drug bill
Voted against McCain-Feingold<16>

In August 2004, Hagel acknowledged that he was considering a presidential campaign in 2008."

In addition, he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. We don't need anymore leaders of the Bilderberg Empire.

Did you ever post anywhere and reference Diebold? Did you also reference ES & S?

Did he ever prove that he wasn't involved in what they were making or his contribution and take from it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel

And the internet is full of stories - better to read from there - lot's of words of derision, not that many in defense.




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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:16 AM
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9. I think the merest inkling of reason from a repub seems
to spark admiration from nonrepubs because it is so unexpected.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:01 AM
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12. You beat me to it.
Chuck's mad that a bunch of fuck ups have been put in office with his rigged election scheme.

For those keeping score, the authors of HAVA have:

Been convicted of bribery and corruption for deals with Jack Abramoff and sentenced to 30 months in prison- Rep. Bob Ney

Been convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering to get repub candidates elected, and have received a sentence of three years in prison- Rep. Tom DeLay (See also DeLay's ties to Abramoff.)

Run for President (poorly)- Sen. Chris Dodd. Dodd was also a "Friend of Angelo" Mozillo of Countrywide.

Business and financial ties with ES&S, the company that has a monopoly on vote counting in the US- Sen. Chuck Hagel

Now, given all of the above, and the fact that every time an "anomaly" occurs with these electronic voting machines it benefits Republicans, why has the Obama administration not enforced its order for ES&S to divest?

Why do you think that is?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:14 AM
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13. +1
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:05 PM
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15. My first thought when I read the OP is that he was referencing the current religious zealot
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 12:06 PM by peacetalksforall
candidates. Who is behind them all of them - their fear and hate followers, fund shovers, and the planning board! Who do the fund shovers and planning boards report to - the Bilderberg Empire. He could just be referring to the idea that they would use these people who are going to hold the biggest per cent of the R voting base together until the convention. And by then, maybe Hagel himself will have announced. This might just be his re-introduction to a run.

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:10 PM
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16. His role and deeds when he was Senator:
"Committee assignments
Committee on Foreign Relations
Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs
Subcommittee on African Affairs
Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs
Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection (Ranking Member)
Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Subcommittee on Securities, Insurance and Investment
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions (Ranking Member)
Subcommittee on Housing, Transportation, and Community Development
Select Committee on Intelligence
Committee on Rules and Administration"

CFR = Bilderberg

Then this:

"Hagel's name was widely rumoured to be one of those considered by George W. Bush as a potential running mate in the 2000 presidential election. During the Bush administration, Hagel maintained a "traditionally Republican" voting record, receiving "a lifetime rating of 84 percent from the American Conservative Union and consistent A and B grades from the National Taxpayers Union."<16> Among his most notable votes, Hagel:
Voted for the Iraq war
Voted for the Patriot Act
Voted for the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts
Voted against No Child Left Behind
Voted against Bush’s Medicare prescription drug bill
Voted against McCain-Feingold<16>
In August 2004, Hagel acknowledged that he was considering a presidential campaign in 2008."

From wiki - but there is plenty more on the net.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:25 PM
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21. Thank you.
Looks like we should be very wary of Hagel.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:55 PM
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25. Note the date for his Banking Committe work - 2008 - he was there helping with the
in that planning phase just before and during the big bail-out give-away - the most classic example of giving to the rich since when?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:21 PM
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20. Wonderful post.
I hope everyone participating in this thread will read it.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:19 PM
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19. Thank you for sharing that.
Now, after months of insane rhetoric by the far right Teabaggers, Hagel can sound reasonable.

Come on people, the guy wants to cut your social security and medicare!
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:03 AM
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8. AND
an astounding lack of decency and humanity.
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desertrat777 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 09:26 AM
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10. Republicans not interested in governing
The current batch of Republicans are apparently not interested in actually governing the nation. They appear to have been all bought off by the uber rich, who are interested in money, power, and control. Of course they vote in lock step, want to cut social programs, and don't want to touch military spending.

Still, it is not black and white. Many of our Democratic representatives have been bought off by the uber rich as well. Oops.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:40 AM
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11. Many of the current GOP congressmen and Senators are ideologues
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 10:41 AM by andym
They have bought hook, line, and sinker the "government is the problem, not the solution," and want to starve the federal government, Grover Norquist style back to the 19th century. They also want greater individual and corporate "freedom," even if that means freedom to starve or not get health care, etc.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:00 PM
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14. Do you see how this is playing out?
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 12:01 PM by Enthusiast
We are the victims of an elaborate scheme.

These operatives created a spectacle, the debt ceiling debate, complete with every sort of unreasonable behavior one could imagine thrust into the public eye. Unreasonable, even insane rhetoric was thrown in the public's face every day.

Now that the dust has settled Hagel sounds very reasonable when he says, "I think Obama should have embraced the Bowles-Simpson Commission findings." Hey, Chuck, Obama created the Fucking Bowles-Simpson Commission.

Hey, Hagel, The FUCKING Bowles-Simpson Commission didn't even embrace the Bowles-Simpson Commission findings! It was voted DOWN by the commission!

This is just more bullshit smokescreen to make cutting social security and medicare seem like a reasonable deal. Don't fall for this crap.

If you cannot see this ruse then you simply are not looking.
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 12:43 PM
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22. I've sometime wondered why Chuck Hagel is a Republican.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 03:28 PM
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24. Chuck Hagel: Poster Boy for Conflict of Interest!
Stick it in your ear, Chuck...

Some have pointed this out already, but this is a cheap shot for him to have interviewed as if he's "shocked! shocked, I tell you!"

Hagel's job until two weeks before he announced his run for the Senate was running the voting machine company whose machines would count his votes. He was Chairman of the American Information Systems, AIS, now called ES&S. He also owned stock in AIS Investors, Inc, a group of investors in the voting machine industry.

I'd say he got off to a GOOD start all of the people who never should have won an election.

I find him disgusting as the subject matter.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:18 AM
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26. "I find him disgusting as the subject matter."
Me too.
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