TYT: Russell Brand Nails UK Riots In Guardian

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Run time: 04:11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4vp3-bKDpw   Posted on YouTube: August 13, 2011 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 48434   Posted on DU: August 15, 2011 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 3376

 
Summary: Actor and comedian Russell Brand had an interesting piece on the UK riots in The Guardian titled http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/11/london-riots-davidcameron|Big Brother Isn't Watching You>. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss.

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1. Bankers Looted

Where is the outrage in England, not to mention in the US? Ignore the suits, they are just as thuggish as any kid in London.

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2. People looting is 'horrendous', banksters looting is accepted,. .

Suit up,. or go to jail for criminality.

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3. This guy really IS intelligent

No one can do the kind of comedy he does without having a good sense of deductive logic and that ability George Carlin and Bill Hicks had to see beneath the hood. I hope he doesn't get dismissed as "just a comedian spouting off."

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4. "Camedians, those holy fools, they simply see too much too clearly. A toast to their hungry vision."

That is a quote from an article at The Crissis Papers

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5. Glad he wrote that article. K&R

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6. k & r n/t

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7. Normally I cannot stand Russel Brand... today I could hug him!

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8. Sorry - what an absolute load of horse shit this is,

here's the REALITY CENK -

People in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Egypt, Congo, Darfur, South Sudan, Somalia etc, are people who live in poverty, are people who are suffering oppression, are people who are suffering genuine injustice - the kids in London are not.

PERIOD.


Yes the kids in north london do not have it as good as they did 5 years ago - but fuck me - they have it shit load better than they did in the 70's yet alone the 50's, and spare me for the 40's, and it was only 50 years before that they were working and living in factories as slaves. While ten years before that they were sent to fucking Australia as slaves to be whipped to death while working on chain gangs with a life expectancy of ten years for nicking a loaf of bread. Meanwhile - kids of the same age are fighting with machetes in Africa, raping each other in order to supply rare earth metals for the games and gadgets these same kids are stealing.

DO YOU NOT SEE THE FUCKING IRONY HERE PEOPLE !!!



Whats more the people of the aforementioned countries are not going out there and stealing off each other, they are not going out there setting fire to each others houses and they are not beating each other up - they are standing up peacefully and being met with hot bullets, rape and murder.

Even more outrageous is the fact that not a single one of these rioters in the UK claimed their acts of senseless violence and criminal theft was a coded political message of defiance against the ruling elite. No, none of them did that - the wealthy middle class intellectual posthumously decided that and recast these actions as political angst outpouring in misguided expression.

Really.....how fucking incredible is this shit. Blows my mind the crap some people will write to get themselves heard.

So there were some people who smashed shops during genuine political demonstrations, showed acts of genuine anti corporate anti government modernist manifesto wielding destruction of property as a political symbol during the student demonstrations and they were roundly and universally condemned for inciting violence during the demonstrations and ruining the image of peaceful protest which the rest of the students engaged in - the response seen in almost every single G20 demonstration and anti globalisation demonstration for almost 10 years -


But these little shits show no signs or and even the vaguest reference to any political motivation - and instead go on a rampage of violence and an orgy of stealing with absolutely no regard for the communities they are destroying - and the white middle class psuedo intellectuals recast this brain fart as a veiled cry of the oppressed, as symbolic of the injustice in the world.

Fuck me - sorry the dead and slaughtered of Bahrain, the genocide in Syria, the 5 million dead in Congo - but right now the kiddies in in north london have started looting - NOW THATS A REAL SOCIAL PROBLEM.....


FUCK ME !!

[sabrina 1]

9. Apparently you forgot what started the riots.

The same thing that has started so many down through the decades. The police beating and/or killing members of the community and a long history of abuse by the police against the people in poor communities.

15 cops beating up a 16 girl at what was a peaceful demonstration asking for information on the killing of the man, a member of the community, by the police, sparked the initial violence.

In Tunisia, it was a similar incident, not the first by any means, but the straw that broke the camel's back that sparked their revolution also, and for many in Egypt similar incidents of police brutality against the population, were the sparks that finally lit the fires of their revolution.

And as you can see in Syria, the more violent their police become, the more the demonstrations grow.

The same thing is happening in Iraq although we hear little about it here. And in Bahrain, in Yemen and anywhere where the police brutalize the population and the top members of society are corrupt.

It happened in the US, in NY, in LA and in countless other places. But the thread that connects all of them is the relationship between law enforcement and the community. For some it takes a lot longer for the anger to erupt into riots. But sooner or later it happens.

Add to that, and the similarities continue, the Wealthy in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Britain, in the US and in Yemen and elsewhere, finally exposed as corrupt, in Tunisia by Wikileaks eg, and you add the beating to death of a citizen by the police, and the corruption of the government, and riots often begin.

Now that Europe is being forced into third world status, with the obscenely wealthy stealing everything they can while taking more and more from the poor, this is likely to keep happening.

Injustice and corruption at the highest levels and police brutality are a lethal combination that will always end in civil unrest.


Why don't we see riots in wealthy, upscale neighborhoods? Why are the wealthy not angry?

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11. Im not even going to dignify that with a reposne

it makes me absolutely sick to my stomache to read what you have written.
I have absolutely no idea if you are genuinely as ignorant as you come across or are simply trolling - either way it is an incredibly sad indictment on humanity to have just read some of the saddest lines I have ever come across. And I have read more than most people.

The violence was over the shooting of an armed drug dealer.

Further - destruction and rioting has always occurred in wealthy neighborhoods - this is what genuine and real political action is - please see every single G20 protest for the last 20 years - they are targeting corporate symbols in a political message of oppression by the wealthy elites.

These ridiculous spoilt little turds were stealing play stations and sneakers for themselves and stealing from their neighbours, burning their neighbors houses, beating them up and killing them.

Justifying this utter shit is absolutely contemptuous and stupid.

Comparing the lives of these spoilt fucks to the manifest suffering of those oppressed by some of the most brutal regimes in human history, as mentions sickens me to my absolute core - you are kidding me.

[sabrina 1]

13. You are way too angry and too personally invested for some reason

to be able to respond in a rational way. The dead man was found to have NOT shot at the police, as they had originally claimed. And there is no evidence since he was not charged and convicted, that he was a 'drug dealer'. On this board when you make claims, you need to back them up. Please provide a link to this information.

The G20 demonstrations are totally unrelated to what I spoke about. Those are professionally organized political actions planned in advance and do not arise as spontaneous reactions to the treatment of the poor in poor neighborhoods by law enforcement over a long period of time, as has been the case in almost all the riots that have taken place over the past number of decades here in the US. At least we have acknowledged, if not fixed, the conditions that lead to this kind of civil unrest.

Show me evidence of ordinary people in wealthy neighborhoods being abused and harrassed by law enforcement over long periods of time and finally erupting in violence. And no, the planned, G20 Political actions are in no way the same thing.

And btw, it could be said that attacking people verbally on internet boards simply because you disagree with them, is the virtual equivalent of the behavior of those 'turds' as you called them, in RL. You might want to remember that.

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14. Here's the link for ya.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/mark-duggan-profile-tottenham-shooting

And here's another link to show you what yourself and other DU'ers have been rationalizing. You are defending gangsters nothing more.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bbd_1313510917

As far as British police go. Ask yourself this. At 2 am in Hackney, East London who would you rather hang out with? Some British police
or Mark Duggans friends? If you said Mark Duggans friend's your not operating on all cylinders.

I'll finish by saying I respect your posts on many other subjects but in this scenario yourself and many other DU'ers are way off base.

[go west young man]

10. Well put...I'm from London and I agree completely.

Brand and others equate the robbing of the banks with "fair rioting". An eye for an eye leaves one completely blind.
These riots began over a known gangster with a gun. He wasn't a good egg. He probably caused a lot of innocent
people a lot of suffering. Then it gets blown up as an excuse to loot, burn, kill and destroy. At least 5 people lost
their lives and many more were injured. A lot of people in the US want to find parallels with the Middle East uprisings.
The paradox is that the people of Middle East descent who live in London were mainly the victims. They were guarding
their homes and stores and high streets. Normally if people were truly disenfranchised you would see poor immigrant
communities protesting but that never happened. It was the YOB/chav contingent that rioted. The hoodlums. The thieves.
The one's who make a life out of inflicting misery on others. I think Americans truly don't understand this. Including
Cenk who I have respect for. He's off base on this one. To quote John Lennon: "When you talk about destruction, don't ya
know that you can count me out".

By your "Fuck me" at the end of your post I assume your from the UK. I definitely appreciate your points.

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12. Thanks

lived in london for almost 6 years - also liverpool for a fair while - would love to be back there.


Your comments are absolutely spot on - comparing the suffering of people in these war ravaged, brutal dictatorships with the dissafection felt by these chavs in london is fucking insane - it is happening all over the internet and is just disgusting.