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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:24 PM
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Miss USA Contestants Are Asked If Evolution Should Be Taught In Schools
 
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June 22, 2011 06:00 PM
Weep For The Future: Miss USA Contestants Are Asked If Evolution Should Be Taught In Schools

By Nicole Belle

Weep For The Future: Miss USA Contestants Are Asked If Evolution Should Be Taught In Schools

I've said before, I'm okay with whatever faith one chooses. Whatever brings comfort. as long as it's not forced upon others is a personal choice. But I do draw the line at the evolution vs. creationism/Intelligent Design debate. There are not equally valid sides to this argument. The use of the word "theory" when applied to scientific matters does not mean the same as the lay definition of the term, and I think that confuses those who are weak-minded.

The way that the majority of these women express their view that there are multiple and equally scientifically valid arguments truly shows the success of the religious right to muddy the waters and dumb down the populace by introducing skepticism over scientific theory.

I weep for the future.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:35 PM
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1. Every time I hear the Miss American contestants open their mouths, I get SCARED.
This is where our country is today intellectually, and it terrifies the hell out of me.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 08:09 AM
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24. Unfortunately I was of that ilk -
but that was 40+ years ago - thankfully I've changed.

What is scarey is the intellectual social regression of this country since the 1960's - Vietnam didn't happen; Three Mile Island didn't happen - Watergate didn't happen - etc., etc.

What is observable also is how patriarchal religion has become - the more fundamentalist the more sexist representation of women. The three that I thought had the minimum clue of what was going on (South Dakota, Vermont, Washington) were the pearls among the swine - like prostitutes selling their values down the drain in the service of corporate interpretations of superficial beauty.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:58 AM
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33. I couldn't agree with you more! Authoritarian, sexist, racist, hate-filled.
Authoritarian, sexist, racist, hate-filled, with no conscience, in which corporations have the real vote, and all things are dressed up in that fake, symbol-ridden patriotism fundamentalists and right wing extremists love so much.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:36 PM
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2. "Good to present our students with both sides of the story..."
:banghead:

But there are so many bullshit fairy-tale sides...how do we choose?
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:06 PM
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5.  both sides of the story..."
The side supported by a theory that has been so correct in it's predictions as to be positively prophetic?

Or the side made up by goatherds in the late stone age?

It's a tough choice....
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:29 AM
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14. Well said...nt
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:48 AM
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18. As long as they include the Cherokee creation story and give it equal weight to Genesis.
The Earth was all water. A water beetle dove to the bottom and brought up mud that expanded into all we know as the Earth. And the animals hung the Earth from the sky by four ropes.

You think that's silly? Genesis has a talking snake in it.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 10:04 AM
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31. lol @ 'goatherds in the late stone age' n/t
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 08:04 AM
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23. By that logic we should be giving equal voice
to the flat earth theory as well!
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:38 PM
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3. next question, should we burn witches?
"i don't know, that's a tough one, we should leave it to the government"
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:37 AM
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16. There are right wing religious
Edited on Thu Jun-23-11 04:40 AM by Enthusiast
extremists in this country that would burn 'heretics', gays and anyone they suspect of being a member of a minority religion. They do not have foggiest notion of the meaning or intentions of our founding fathers. These young ladies are a product of the influence of these people.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:50 AM
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19. One would think a witch would curse anyone who tried to burn her.
Better to just back away slowly and let them mind their own business.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:49 PM
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4. I weep for America!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:10 PM
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6. I weep for America!
Well, to play devil's advocate, we really don't know what she thinks. She is giving the answer she thinks will please everybody, including the judges.

She also does not represent America accurately.


But I too weep for America because there are way too many who actually believe Evolution is not real, and even MORE who will pretend to, just to fit in.
It does make the US look like a bunch of fools. And that we are.
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:19 PM
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7. cosmetics have
quite a bit of lead in them.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:50 PM
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8. some of them are walking-talking trainwrecks... can't stare, but can't look away either

MissUsed is what pageant some of these young ladies belong in...
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Moostache Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:54 PM
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9. It is abundantly clear that "beauty" and "intelligence" do NOT have a causal relationship!
ARGGRGGHHHRGGRHHHHH!!!

Teh Stoopid....IT BURNS!
I choose to picture those girls as modern day Dorian Grays - their portraits becoming uglier and uglier as the statements flow out of their empty heads.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:56 PM
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10. Some of these women become ugly as soon as they open their mouths
Historically, these contestants have never been the sharpest knives in the drawer (sorry if I offended someone), but even so, the erosion of science and reason in this country is truly alarming.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 10:50 PM
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11. Stephen Gould wrote of evolution as an imperfect fact...
"...facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

By the same thought process, religious beliefs are NOT theories.



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xocet Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 11:31 PM
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12. Miss Vermont (from time index 13:00) brought in some empirical evidence of evolution. Good for her.
n/t
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AmericaIsGreat Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 11:38 PM
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13. Pretty horrifying but the winner, Alyssa from CA
Gave one of the best answers, identified herself as a science geek, and answered a question about medical marijuana intelligently too.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 04:35 AM
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15. The thing is, they don't
even suspect their own ignorance in the least. They actually believe they are giving well thought out intelligent responses. And that alone is frightening.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:46 AM
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29. That is the most frightening of all. What was always a hidden text
with the contestants of these pageants...beauty(?)...is not so hidden anymore. I wish I had not watched even the small portion of that video that I watched.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:32 AM
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17. predictable, yet still a shock
:(
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 06:07 AM
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20. I'm willing to bet several of those women are saying what they know the
audience wants to hear. One of the smartest women I know competed on the pageant circuit in a southern state. She attended an Ivy League school, and in the summer would go home and play the ditzy southern belle role for the judges. Don't ask me why, but that was her thing.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 06:23 AM
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21. Video best viewed with audio off.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-11 06:25 AM by JJW
I don't blame them for the nonsense. Some probably fear for their life, if they give the wrong answer. Christians being a vengeful, sinful, and bloody group. No one expects the Inquisition.

A better question would be, what type and quantity weapons should one be allowed to carry to school.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:04 AM
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27. Absolutely. I half-expected one of them to start yodeling. We are
doomed.
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 06:42 AM
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22. That was just painful. nt
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spedtr90 Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 08:25 AM
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25. Should we teach that the earth is round...
or should we teach "both sides" because you, pretty lady, believe it is flat. I'm guessing you haven't gone into space and actually seen it for yourself, so who really knows?


They do not even have a basic understanding of what science is.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:02 AM
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26. A terrifying video having nothing to do with the subject matter. Is this
our young womanhood? They could all get jobs selling costume jewelry on cable. How far down we have come? We should really concentrate on important stuff, like legalizing marijuana...
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:32 AM
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28. Aren't they talking about Science being taught in School?
One of them said "I took evolution in College."
Am i missing something besides really dumb girls?
Isn't evolution taught in all public schools anymore?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 09:58 AM
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30. I know brains and beauty ARE compatible
My wife and daughters are proof, even if there is a WHOLE lot of evidence here being presented to the contrary!!!!!!!!!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 11:43 AM
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32. Okay, time to pull out an old classic...
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc1NjgyNzk5OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTY0OTUyMQ@@._V1._SY317_CR10,0,214,317_.jpg

IMDB

One of the best satires in American cinema!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 06:56 PM
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34. Science is such a huge thing!
:rofl:

I watched this a week ago and I am still rofl over that reply.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-11 07:28 PM
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35. Actually surprised
so many answered it favor. I know most answered yes for both sides and understand the criticism for that. I think they probably answered that way to please as many people with that response or they genuinely felt both sides should be told in school which is fine. I disagree with that myself, I don't have a problem with religious beliefs being taught in religious specific classes but evolution is a topic that should be in a science class probably biology.

Responses by Arkansas, Indiana, Kentucky, and Mississippi had me shaking my head. Probably others but I tried to make this post while watching the video so I have to reload it to watch it to the end.
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