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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:35 AM
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Fox News thinks SCHIP is an Immigration Issue
 
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Fux News Neal Cavuto on the impending SCHIP veto claiming that the bipartisan bill is wrong because it might provide healthcare benefits for the children of illegal immigrants. Watch Video

It's goes along as it usual does, one talking head after another repeating one talking point after another.
  • Some kids who've been brought to the U.S. illegally would be covered.
  • SCHIP is a back door to give the government controlled of healthcare.
  • It's a trojan house toward socialized medicine
  • Universal Healthcare would hurt the country.
  • $83,000 is ridiculously high limit to provide children healthcare

Except that they happen to let one Fauxmacrat Strategist Regina Calcaterra in the studio without first giving her the script which says (Though shalt not make a salient point before the Lord and Master Cavuto!)

Oops.

She managed to point out that her own personal experience in foster care would have left her an her siblings dead if they didn't have access to healthcare via Medicaid. She also pointed out that the President said this to the UN General Assembly this past Tuesday.

When millions of children starve to death or perish from a mosquito bite, we're not doing our duty in the world.

Malaria is another common killer. In some countries, malaria takes as many lives as HIV/AIDS -- the vast majority of them children under the age of five years old. Every one of these deaths is unnecessary, because the disease is preventable and treatable. The world knows what it takes to stop malaria -- bed nets and indoor spraying and medicine to treat the disease. Two years ago, America launched a $1.2 billion malaria initiative. Other nations and the private sector are making vital contributions, as well. I call on every member state to maintain its focus, find new ways to join this cause, and bring us closer to the day when malaria deaths are no more.
So while we're spending $1.2 billion to save children suffering from malaria around the world we can't do the same for children in our own country who don't have healthcare?

Of course Cavuto cut her off in mid-sentence and started drilling in:
  • Were you an illegal at the time? (No)
  • We don't have unlimited resources do we?
  • Good intentions also have a price?
  • We have a tough enough time taking care of those that are from here, right?
  • And there's a limit on how much we can afford to spend?
Interesting that no one on the right brings up these issues when we're discussing the $190 billion Iraq supplemental.

One other neo-commenter claims that children aren't dying because they can always go the "emergency room" - as if no one ever arrives too late, or that there's no such thing as preventative medicine which would help keep a cold from turning into pneumonia at a far lower cost than treating a chronic disease or condition. And it's not like people die in emergency rooms, because actually they do.

LOS ANGELES - A woman who lay bleeding on the emergency room floor of a troubled inner-city hospital died after 911 dispatchers refused to contact paramedics or an ambulance to take her to another facility, newly released tapes of the emergency calls reveal.

In the recordings of two 911 calls that day, first obtained by the Los Angeles Times under a California Public Records Act request, callers pleaded for help for Rodriguez but were referred to hospital staff instead.

“I’m in the emergency room. My wife is dying and the nurses don’t want to help her out,” Rodriguez’s boyfriend, Jose Prado, is heard saying in Spanish through an interpreter on the tapes.

“What’s wrong with her?” a female dispatcher asked.

“She’s vomiting blood,” Prado said.

“OK, and why aren’t they helping her?” the dispatcher asked.

‘They’re just watching her’
“They’re watching her there and they’re not doing anything. They’re just watching her,” Prado said.

The dispatcher told Prado to contact a doctor and then said paramedics wouldn’t pick her up because she was already in a hospital. She later told him to contact county police officers at a security desk.

His wife was on the floor bleeding from the mouth for 45 minutes and instead of helping her - the emergency room workers just ignored her. The janitor was cleaning the floor around her and left here there, the 911 Operator scolded her husband for calling since they were already in the emergency room, then called security on him. The police arrived and then arrested the unconscious woman for a parole violation. She died in police custody of a perforated bowel as they were taking her away to the county lockup.

That is the way that immigrants get treated at the emergency room in America. This is the way that Republicans feel is the way to treat your kids if you can't afford healthcare.

Vyan
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:38 AM
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1. Yes, let the Republicans blame every program meant to help
children and those who need assistance on the immigrants, our new scapegoat, now that welfare queens no longer resonates like it used to.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:44 AM
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2. MY DIALUP HATES THESE VIDEOS, THANKS FOR THE TRANSCRIPTION THING
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:49 PM
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5. mine buffers for 15 secs then has a hald sec of play, then buffers agains.Thanks
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:02 PM
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3. Well, you know what the statistics are
on fauxnoise viewers...they are the least informed Americans in the country. I would venture to say they are down right stupidly, brainwashed.

I invite anyone to give evidence to the contrary.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:29 PM
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8. You can not brain wash the willing...
That is the scary part, and I would like these people to stop being excused as "ignorant" or "misinformed." Faux viewers know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it, they are proactively trying to keep themselves ignorant as to not compromise their interests.

Have no pity on them Faux viewers, for it is their folly that they are willingly ignorant. There is no worse kind of blindness than the one suffered by those who don't want to see... there will never be a cure for that.

This country has a significant percentage of assholes, who would rather eat shit than have any of their precious dollars (which are worth less and less by the minute, so go figure) spent on helping another human being. They don't give a shit if their hard earned money is wasted on bombs, or given straight out to some bullshit corporate cesspool however. Until we stop using the canard of "ignorance" on these assholes we are in trouble.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:13 PM
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10. Okay, they're just
Assholes.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:48 PM
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4. ah---and SH liked OBL. yup----got it!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:51 PM
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6. everyone send him this---Pat Roberts dissing Bush on Senate floor:


Pat Roberts, Sen, KS

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r110:6:./temp/~r110qD2Qui:e23471:



CHILDREN'S HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 2007 -- (Senate - September 27, 2007)

……..I appreciate the administration's passion and persistence on having a broader health care debate. However, holding a children's health insurance bill hostage is not the right way to achieve this goal. I support the goals of reforming the Tax Code to promote the purchase of private health insurance. Let me repeat that, Madam President. I support the goals of reforming the Tax Code to promote the purchase of private health insurance. But I have yet to see a plan from the administration that can actually pass the Congress.

In fact, I have yet to see an actual plan from the administration. I have yet to see bullet points from the administration. I have yet to see any plan that can be articulated in some fashion to sell to the American public or to the Members of this body. We don't even have an acronym for this plan. My word, you can't do anything around here without an acronym.

The administration has also raised concerns that this bill is a march toward the federalization of health care. I would argue that is simply not true. I would never support a bill to federalize health care. I remember that battle a decade ago. There is no way I want to go down that road again.

I think it is important to point out what I think is a paradox of enormous irony in regard to the claim that this bill is a step toward the federalization of health care. In reality, this administration has approved waivers--approved waivers--to cover adults under a children's health care insurance program. Let me repeat that. Under this administration's watch, we now have 14 States covering adults under the Children's Health Insurance Program.

Now, this administration and others expressed grave concern that SCHIP is the next step to universal health care. Yet this very same administration is approving waivers to cover adults under a children's health program. And, unfortunately, a number of these States are covering more adults through their SCHIP program than they do children, even while high rates of uninsured children still remain. This is not fair. This is not right. It is wrong.

I don't mean to pick on other States, but let's take a look at a few examples. New Jersey now covers individuals up to 350 percent of the Federal poverty level and spends over 40 percent of its SCHIP funds on adults. This is even while over 100,000 low-income children in the State remain uninsured. This isn't right.

Earlier this year, Congress had to pass a stopgap funding measure to plug 14 State SCHIP shortfalls. Of the 14 States that got this emergency funding, five--five--cover adults. One of these States was Illinois, which spends over 50 percent of its SCHIP funds on adults. Wisconsin covers more adults than children under SCHIP--75 percent to be exact. And the administration just approved an extension of their waiver to cover adults. Minnesota covers more adults on their SCHIP program than they do children. The same is true for Michigan, and the same is true for Arizona.

Now, I am not trying to pick on these States. I can go on and on because, again, there are currently 14 that cover adults on a program that was meant for children. And how are these States able to cover adults under the Children's Health Insurance Program? Again, through waivers approved by this administration. This is certainly not fair to States such as Kansas that have been playing by the rules and targeting our programs to low-income children. I am beginning to wonder if we have the wrong name for the State Children's Health Insurance Program. I don't think it was intended to be the adult health care insurance program.

The greatest paradox of enormous irony, however, is that this bill actually stops the waivers this administration has been so generously granting to States to cover adults by not allowing more adult waivers to be approved. Let me say that again. The greatest paradox of enormous irony is that this bill actually stops the waivers this administration has been so generously granting the States to cover adults by not allowing more adult waivers to be approved. This means future administrations that may want to use SCHIP as a means to expand government health care to adults will be prevented by law from doing so. As a result, this bill ensures that the Children's Health Insurance Program remains just that--a program for low-income children.

This bill also phases out childless adults currently being covered with SCHIP funds and lowers the Federal matching rate for States that currently have waivers to cover parents and now must meet certain benchmarks in covering low-income children. As a result, this bill brings excessive spending on adult populations in check.

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that spending on adults would be over $1 billion higher under current law over the next 5 years than it would be under this compromise. This bill is more fiscally responsible than the administration's approach or an extension of this program by $1 billion.

Most importantly, this bill ensures that we are putting kids first and returns the program to its original purpose--providing health care coverage to low-income children.

Now, on the income eligibility front, the administration unfortunately is claiming this bill does things that the bill simply does not do. It is sort of an ``SCHIP In Wonderland.'' For example, the President claimed in a speech last week that this bill expands SCHIP coverage to families making over $80,000 a year.

I just have to ask the speech writer for the President, are you reading the same bill I am reading? Are you reading the same bill that we are discussing on the floor of the Senate? You can twist the facts, but facts are stubborn things, Madam President.

In fact, this bill reduces the matching payment incentives that States have had for so long to cover individuals at higher income levels. In addition, by the year 2010, this bill--this bill--denies Federal matching payments to States that cover children above 300 percent of the poverty level if the State cannot meet a certain target in covering low-income children in either public or private insurance plans. And let me emphasize private insurance plans.

I think it is important to remind the administration that a State can only cover children above 200 percent of the poverty level if the administration approves the State's application or waiver.

I repeat: A State can only cover children above 200 percent of the poverty level if the administration or any administration approves that State's application or waiver. This is current law and this bill does not change that.

GPO's PDF

More importantly, this bill actually provides incentives and bonus payments for States to cover children under 200 percent of the poverty level in order to truly put the focus of this program back on low-income children.

The bill also addresses the importance of including the private market in the SCHIP program. Let me repeat that for all those who want a private approach in regard to private markets, in regard to insurance: The bill addresses the importance of including the private market in the SCHIP program. In fact, the American Health Insurance Plans, also known as AHIP--that is their acronym--on Monday announced their support for this compromise bill. AHIP is the national trade organization which represents over 1,300 private health insurance companies.

The compromise makes it easier for States to provide premium assistance for children to get health care coverage through the private market--that is the goal of the administration and that should be our goal as well--rather than relying on SCHIP. That is in this bill. This is an important choice for families who would prefer a private choice in health care.

This bill also requires the GAO and the Institute of Medicine to produce analyses in the most accurate and reliable way to measure the rate of public and private insurance coverage and on best practices for States in addressing the issue of something called ``crowdout.'' That means children switching from private health insurance to SCHIP. So we have a study to determine exactly how we fix that.

In the ultimate paradox of enormous irony, it seems the administration is threatening to veto a bill which does exactly what they want us to do in focusing SCHIP on low-income children and making sure the program does not become the vehicle for universal health care.

This bill gets adults off the program. It targets it to low-income children. It ensures appropriate steps are taken to discourage crowdout and it encourages private market participation.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:19 PM
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7. Here in Georgia many of the kids
have parents that work at Publix (grocery chain) or Walmart.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:50 PM
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9. This attitude is common to cons for lots of issues
I once had the "pleasure" of talkign to a woman who was a conservative and claimed ot be a school teacher. (Ok it could happen. She might have been telling the truth)

So the issue goes to how the Republican controlled congress tries ot cut school lunch programs. Rather then denying it, she agreed with it. Becuase, She said, there might be fraud.

Yep, among those millions of kids, there might be a handful with parents that could afford balogny sandwhiches for thier kids on thier own. (Oh the horror!)

So, better that countless kids get mal nutition then even one person defraud the system.

And you see it in other ways... how cons support outlawing gay marriage even when it screws straight people. And in Prop 187 in California.

Though I know I shouldnt' make generalizations, this seems common enough for the stereotype to stick.

There are a lot of cons who are so filled with hate they don't care who they hurt as long as tey also hurt those groups they don't like.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:21 PM
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11. Sometimes there is fraud on these public assistance programs.
But fer chrissakes, it's a really a small percentage compared to the number of people who benefit from them and who really need them. The Republican BS reasoning is that no child should get the medical care they need because a few, and a very few, parents might game the system. I have a friend who works for the meals on wheels program and she knows of people who qualify for the program because they have placed all their assets in the hands of their heirs in order to take advantage of these programs. But, by and large most of the people on the program are truly needy and they shouldn't have this taken away from them because of the actions of a few greedy seniors, who are probably Republicans anyway.
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:56 PM
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13. But that was her point
That ANY possible fraud was grounds to get rid of the program all together, regardless of what good that program does. That if even one thin dime went to someone the con considered unworthy, that was far worse then kids going hungry.

(though how much one can save by having your kid use the school lunch program is beyond me)

And alas, i have seen too many other cons with the exact same beleifs to think it an abberation.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:02 PM
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15. This is why these programs should go to everyone, yes
even Bill Gate's and Warren Buffett's children. Then at least those who really need them would get them and the rich guys would probably pay enough taxes (if we go back to taxing the rich) to pay for several children besides their own. Therefore, I don't mind if they get some of their tax money back by their children partaking of the programs.

It's the same with SS. Yes, rich old people also get a check, but at least the poor get one too. If the cap were lifted on SS, then the rich guys would be paying a lot more than they get back but at least those who really need SS would get it as well.
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bperci108 Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:12 PM
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18. Hmmmmmm.......
I wonder if the female Dittobot would apply the same "logic" to the contractor/defense dept. fraud in Eye-rack?


(I won't hold my breath...)

Oh, the fatuous would be so entertaining, if they weren't so pathetic. :puke:


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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:44 PM
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12. Doesn't Fox News think *everything* is an Immigration Issue?
:shrug: People are ridiculous. And, sometimes, completely fucking heartless (as in the case of the woman who was left to die in the emergency room). :grr: :cry:
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:00 PM
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14. No...
Sometimes everythig is a "Terrorists are going to get us!" issue.

Or a "All Liberals and Democrats are traitors!" isssue.

Or during the 2004 election, there was a lot of "Gays are destroying the family and children!" issues.

They are very multi-faceted if you pay attention.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:03 PM
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16. Ahh, good point.
My apologies - paying close attention to Fox News usually results in nausea, raised blood pressure, and a total loss of faith in the human race for me, so I try not to do it too often. ;) Peace!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:12 PM
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17. He doubly opposes it
Is that like double secret probation?
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clarence swinney Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:18 PM
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19. Nice people. 5 billion for education rejected
Remember Newt and his 73 new Barbarians in the House in 1995?

President Clinton asked for 5 Billion to hire 100,000 Teachers and get kids out of mobile classrooms.

Local elementary kids still in mobile classrooms.

Rejected by those nice Republicans.
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