ABC News Censors Dennis Kucinich

[DianaForRussFeingold]

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"When candidate Dennis Kucinich took the lead by a very large margin, ABC took down the poll, and then replaced it with another poll On Aug. 19, a debate for the Democratic contenders for 2008 was hosted in Iowa by ABC news. At the same time, ABC put up a prominent poll on their website, asking the question, "Who is winning the debate?" When candidate Dennis Kucinich took the lead by a very large margin, ABC took down the poll, and then replaced it with another poll:" --- After Dennis took the lead, again winning handily, ABC dropped the second survey from prominence on its website. Users posting comments in ABC's Politics page reported having their comments deleted, and demanded explanation of ABC's actions.... ABC news has still neither posted an explanation nor officially reported the results of its survey."

... ABC literally took Kucinich out of the picture and disappeared him.... The photo of all the candidates was missing Dennis Kucinich. He had been deliberately cropped out of the picture.... However - the original, from an AP photographer, had all the candidates in it....

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[BonnieJW]

1. Makes me want to vote for him in the primaries

even more

[bdamomma]

2. our media just sucks

if all those who say Dennis can not win and did vote for him, he would be our candidate. Dennis would kick those corporations in the a$$.

[reggie the dog]

42. this proves to me

that the powers that be are scared of Kucinich to the point where they edit him out of photos. They would not be so scared if they did not think he could win.

[bellasgrams]

3. Maybe they thought some of his supporters

were working the poll to his advantage. I know Ron Paul gets a lot of support on C-Span and I suspect it's an organized effort.

[againes654]

4. That isn't up to them to decide

I am so fed up with the fucking news media.

[rhett o rick]

17. What??? Maybe they thought??? So they decided to rig the news?

Who are you? Maybe they thought? ABC is on the enemy's side. They support fascism. Who are you???

[Oeditpus Rex]

22. It was

Kucinich's people sent a message to his MySpace friends to pump the poll.

[kenfrequed]

27. right ...

Cause teh American people didn't watch the debate. They couldn't have just decided they liked what he said about Free Trade, Healthcare, and the war in Iraq.

How about some actual evidence and not just rumors from Hillary's campaign office (see I can do it too)

[Oeditpus Rex]

34. Are you calling me a liar?

I GOT the fucking message. I'm a Kucinich supporter.

[kenfrequed]

40. Of course you are

Moreover yoru original post suggested it was 'his people' sort of a plural exclusive-excluding you. So I would say that I do not think you are telling the truth on this.

And then there was the auto-defence. Maybe you figured by acting offended no one would question you.

[Oeditpus Rex]

41. The message about the ABC poll has cleared the cache

Here's a cap of a later message about a Yahoo poll, proving that someone named April from Kucinich's web team has done this kind of thing.





Any questions?

[reggie the dog]

47. how many

how many emails go out to all the supporters of all the candidates? So many people surf the net that we all trade messages like that, hell we sometimes suggest doing it here.

[cyclezealot]

49. Mr. Rex

I am a Kucinich supporter too. BUt, you think the other candidates did not do likewise? I suspect they did.

[Oeditpus Rex]

57. I wouldn't be so naive as to think they don't

I'm merely replying to bellasgrams' post suggesting it may be the case with Kucinich and the ABC poll. I know that it is the case because I got the bulletin on MySpace — and, hell, I voted for him in the poll because of it.

I'm not saying it's right, wrong, good, bad, whatever. I'm simply saying it's what happened. If some want to call that "bashing," that's their problem.

[redqueen]

36. deleted

nevermind

[kenfrequed]

28. Oh sure

Yeah right. These so called 'bottom tier' candidates ahve complex organized efforts to alter who gets called in Cspan and subvert a poll. Did you notice that during many of the debates (particularly the AFL/CIO debates) Kucinich got the loudest and longest applause of anyone?

[redqueen]

37. Kucinich routinely getting the most positive response... and yet getting trashed here

and so many saying "well I'd love to support him, but..."

*sigh*

It all just makes me so fucking sick.

[ProudDad]

52. Just keep the pressure on

You never know :shrug:

Next time your found, with your chin on the ground
There a lot to be learned, so look around

Just what makes that little old ant
Think hell move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant, cant
Move a rubber tree plant

But hes got high hopes, hes got high hopes
Hes got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time your gettin low
stead of lettin go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant

When troubles call, and your backs to the wall
There a lot to be learned, that wall could fall

Once there was a silly old ram
Thought hed punch a hole in a dam
No one could make that ram, scram
He kept buttin that dam

cause he had high hopes, he had high hopes
He had high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time your feelin bad
stead of feelin sad
Just remember that ram
Oops there goes a billion kilowatt dam

All problems just a toy balloon
Theyll be bursted soon
Theyre just bound to go pop
Oops there goes another problem kerplop


Sometimes I get very Pollyannish... then I wake up...

[reggie the dog]

48. that is because

KUCINICH IS THE ONLY DEMACRAT THAT GIVES A DAMN ABOUT WORKING PEOPLE........one of these years the workers will get a party to notice them again in the USA. For over 20 years I have heard this BS that only centrists could win after Reagan/Thatcher. BS. Run with your ideals and people will look up to you. Run by acting like you are not as harsh as the other candidate looses more votes than it gains and helps increase voter apathy. Kucinich will win in a landslide against any Republican other than Ron Paul. He will get excellent support in poor rural areas. He could even win in Dixie because he stands up for poor folks (not a cut on the South but like in any rural area your people are poor. He will win the big cities. He will lose affluent suburban enclaves where people never see poverty but the electoral college would not even be close.

[reggie the dog]

44. perhpas

a lot of conservatives watch CSPAN and they realize that Ron Paul is the only person who can save the Republican party. His anti war, anti patriot act, anti big business, pro medical marijuana, pro drug legalization (state by state) stance could go far to convincing people that W. was a dingbat but not representative of the Party.

I personally dream of seeing Paul run against Kucinich but I think these 2 people have too much class, intelligence, and too many scruples to get the nominations. Imagine such an election. I would still vote Kucinich because he supports the idea of abortion as an AMERICAN right whereas Paul thinks states should make their own choice. But if they ran against each other the war, the patriot act, the neoconservative movement (Democrats and Republicans are included in this), the war on drugs (basically the dark side) loses. I do not believe the polls because the investors that have large holdings in the media profit from keeping pro corparation candidates in office. When I talk to my family I try to explain who Paul and Kucinich are. Most never heard of him but they tell me that if what I say about them is true they seem like good candidates.

[Az]

5. Some noise really needs to be made about this

I mean come on. When is enough enough?

[slipslidingaway]

6. Wow, I had not seen the two pictures together. Isn't this the same

debate where they did not call on him for close to 20 minutes? Thanks for posting.

[cui bono]

16. Yes it is. I hadn't seen the 2 pics together either. Makes it so obvious

that it was intentional.

godammit! Something needs to be done about the media.

[slipslidingaway]

20. Thanks for the confirmation, not sure what can be done though :(nt

[hootinholler]

32. Is that legal?

To crop him out like that? Or was that done away with by St. Ron of dementia?

-Hoot

[kenfrequed]

21. I agree

ABC needs to know that it has a responsibility. I wish the league of women voters still handled these debates, they usually did a much better job as a sponsor that the corportate medai.

[pberq]

7. Kick & Nominated

[Vektor]

8. Ok, that's just cruel.

Cropping him out of the picture? What the hell? I personally am really riding the fence about who I'm supporting in the general election, (I'm not "on fire" for any of the candidates) but to see someone marginalized like that is offensive and troublesome.

[redqueen]

38. It's the SECOND time he's been cropped out... the first time he held up the peace symbol.

*sigh*

[Vektor]

61. Oh yes, we must censor peace!

What an obscene gesture that is!

:sarcasm:

How shameful that the media is doing this.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

9. SENDING DENNIS ANOTHER $100 TO SPITE THE PROPAGANDISTS

THAT IS ALL THE MEDIA IS.


PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS PROPAGANDISTS

[Hepburn]

10. Well, this certainly tells me who corporate America is afraid of...

...and for good reason they should fear Dennis. He is for the PEOPLE and not just the rich corporations and their CEOs.

[babylonsister]

11. I'm sending this thread to KO, our knight who might just mention it. nt

[superkia]

12. He has a great outlook for our future and the corporations wont have it.

Its not the media that amazes me here, its the American people that have heard of Dennis Kucinich and refused to educate themselves on one of our candidates because the media has shut him out. We place the votes ( if counted ) and we control who leads our country, why do so many follow the lead of the media and ignore his message? This guy is standing up against the corrupt system and speaking out for us the people more than any other candidate and we term him unelectable because the media wont cover him? We the people are showing our ignorance by accepting what the agenda driven media has given us, we have choices and we must wake up and look at all of them before its too late. I cant remember a time in my life where a presidential candidate was standing up and speaking the truth about the system and representing the people so well.

I would like to know what others think the reason is for the media going out of their way to close him out?

[freefall]

26. Isn't it fairly obvious. Dennis is a danger to corporate power and the

mainstream media is owned by large corporations. We need an army of grass roots organizers out there advocating for Dennis in order to overcome the media bias.

And when we succeed in spreading the word about Dennis and his policies for the people and he starts winning primaries we will need an army of protectors around Dennis and Elizabeth to keep them safe.

Peace,

freefall

[reggie the dog]

50. This is so big

If the USA threw the corporations off other countries around the world would do it. Venezuela has done it. If the USA does it too people around the world will see it as a good thing and try to mimic it. Kucinch could arguably save the planet without firing a single bullet or dropping a single bomb.

[defendandprotect]

62. Let's keep Kucinich in the picture --

And let's make sure that capitalism and control of our nation's natural resources are discussed --
Global Warming and electric cars --

Single Payer Health care -- and the differences in the plans -- !!!!

Nothing is getting fully discussed ---

[NotGivingUp]

13. Holy crap! This should also be in the General Discussion forum.

This deserves a LOT more attention.

[annabanana]

14. They are TERRIFIED of him and his policies.

And they know that the more people hear about what his plans would be, the stronger the support would grow.

[rhett o rick]

18. But they love HRC. Figure it out peoples. nm

[defendandprotect]

63. What's to figure? Hillary is corporate friendly; Dennis isn't --

[KurtNYC]

33. Yes - they only want to create the illusion of choice

not true choice. Blatantly obvious with ABC's actions.

Impeach the Media!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

43. Our corporate owned media "create(s) the illusion of choice"... s/b on a bumper sticker.

They also create reasons for failure. This way when a candidate who so obviously should win, loses, there's a reason to blame it on. (Example: "Flip-flopper", "not a guy you'd want to have a bear with"...SWIFTBOATERS) :mad:

[AikidoSoul]

15. K & R

[wildbilln864]

19. K&R! n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

23. Get a clew, morans!

Americans don't care about substance!

Funny-looking short guys, who actually make us think, are definitely not on the menu.

We want a good-looking celebrity! A candidate who reminds us of Britney or Paris but is middle aged and wears underwear.

Yeah! That's the ticket!

[Dammit Ann]

24. i got to SAY it.

Those MOTHERFUCKERS!@!!!!!!!@!@

[AllyCat]

25. yet another reason I'll vote for him in the primaries.

Independent and frequently conservative Republican-voting husband is leaning towards him the more I talk about Dennis.

[leftchick]

29. I wonder how much the clinton campaign had to do with this?

I know she has one conservative media mogul named Ruppert donating to her. :puke:

K&R

[Patiod]

30. Haven't the media already selected Hillary as the Dem cand?

Based on everything I see on teevee, I assumed this was already decided. CNN, Faux, the networks, the MSM made up their minds a year ago who was going to be the candidate. They made the call, we have to live with it.

Why are we even talking about anyone else?

[redqueen]

39. Cause not one vote has been cast in the primaries. n/t

[hootinholler]

31. Corporations know

Kucinich is good for the people!

-Hoot

[redqueen]

35. Wow... they cropped him out of a pic AGAIN?!

:wtf:

[defendandprotect]

64. Remember how they defeated Howard Dean -- he the #1 choice --- gone!!!!

[proReality]

45. If we managed to get him elected...

I have to wonder if they wouldn't assassinate him as soon as they possibly could.

[Joe Chi Minh]

46. How hilarious! And how pathetic is that? They're desperate.

But that Ugo Chavez, you know... What a bounder! Imagine trying to keep such upright citizens from manipulating the media!

[ProudDad]

51. I'm voting for him twice!!!

Once in the Primary and again in the General...

[reggie the dog]

53. I just got the big picture

I was so wrapped up in my support of Kucinich that I lot sight of the big picture. This is blatant censorship of one of the presidential candidates from one the two major parties in the USA. I am pretty sure that this would have been considered illegal election rigging over here in France. I am not saying the media did not help Sarkozy, but they are more limited by a government which is in many ways more anti big business than that of the USA.

[pattmarty]

54. Uh, didn't the media do the same in 04 to Howard Dean?

[redqueen]

56. Did they?

I don't remember that, but it might have happened... wouldn't be too surprising, as he'd turned his bck on the Democratic Lickers of Corporate ass by then, IIRC.

[defendandprotect]

65. And succeeded in shuffling Dean right off the stage and making him taboo ---

because MSM said so --

Just like what just happened with the MoveOn shit --


All the way to votes in the USHR and Senate --

We should be blazing angry with the Reps and Sens who voted for that --

as well as the Iran thing --

We need a way to send a unified response -- and I don't mean e-mail --

Telephone calls to their local offices may work???

[Festivito]

55. Also censored by POLLS. "He's not on YOUR list."

Might have been on Randi Rhodes.

LIVE RADIO CALLER:
Received call from polling organization asking who she will vote for. Says "Kucinich." Pollster says: "He's not on YOUR list," who would she choose of the rest...

YOUR list.

Sounds like it pertains to the individual caller when heard. But, it is for anyone they deem a democrat is what I'd think.

Dennis gets
1. cropped from a picture,
2. cropped from polls, and
3. cropped from the internet.

[Highway61]

58. Ya know why this happened???

They want him to disappear...they are afraid of him. Can you imagine? He pales in size to the others and the big bullies are terrified his message will get out and be heard. Screw the media...

[DetlefK]

59. a simple and sound explanation

Forget all media-conspiracy-theories.
It's that simple: ABC tries to sabotage Kucinich. Why? They want him to loose audience, to loose publicity, to loose the primary.

Why? Somebody at ABC placed a high bet on another democratic candidate. ;)

[frog92969]

60. Who is the one FOR the people?

I think this makes it obvious.

[defendandprotect]

66. This is a big CLUE as to who we should support: Kucinich!!!

They are in outright fear of the issues he will discuss and his information about those issues -- !!!!

In other words, the right-wing propaganda machines works ONLY if there is no challenge to it --

If there is any challenge to it at all, it cracks like a pebble hitting a mirror --