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thomhartmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:53 PM
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Thom Hartmann - America is about to slide into third world status?
 
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:09 PM
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1. WTF
What an indicator of how progressive this board is not. I rec'd this Mr. Hartmann, the zero remained and I find myself embarrassed that you would be treated here so inhospitably. May not be may place to compensate, doesn't make me want to any less.


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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:19 PM
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2. There are vandals here who break windows
and run. Try not to let it upset you. Dana ; )
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:30 PM
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6. I guess the angry teen never fades in some.
As I see it, the only ghost of a chance we've got is to starve the beast by stopping the flow of money it feeds on. Burying this message won't change the necessity of that. It's hard not to get upset about grown ups who appear they'd rather be ostriches.
Thanx though, D.

j:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:30 PM
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5. Thom is a longtime DUer.
I hope it was an accident.

But we've always had our "minders" actively keeping watch.

Thanks for speaking up, jotsy.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:38 PM
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7. A duty I'm proud to perform, thanx.
I've read through most of two of his books, if anybody has the head and heart to advise us as a public through this genetically modified patch of huge thorns, he does. An understanding of and ability to convey the history and the structure as we were intended and can be like none other I've heard.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:42 PM
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13. Posters here are liberal, a handful are not ...
and that comes from polls we've seen here -- overwhelmingly liberal --

and the handful got the UN-magic to help them out --



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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:49 PM
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14. An annoying minority, yes.
New sig line? I rec your posts all the time, wondering how I hadn't noticed it before.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:59 PM
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15. Thank you --
Have had a fairly long now -- need a new one --

New Year is a good time to do it ... !!


:)
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:08 PM
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16. I'm such an opportunist!
A suggestion that might ought be made privately, let me know if you're interested in hearing it. :hide:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:34 PM
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17. Well....
preferences would be for something feminist -- and would have to go trudging

thru my journals to find something.

However, re Capitalism vs our economy, I notice that a handful of people will still

suggest that rather than ridding ourselves of capitalism that we should regulate it!

We all patiently explain that capitalism "fails" repeatedly due to its corruption

and criminal nature -- and that capitalism was regulated until recent times when right

wingers bought Congress in order to de-regulate it.

But I did come by a stronger response to that by Michael Moore in his

"Capitalism: A Love Story" which I rewatched today.

Near the end of the movie he says something like this ...

"Capitalism is an evil.

You can't regulate an evil."

Whatta ya think?



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sasquuatch55 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:13 AM
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21. Daily Kos: EXPOSED: Astroturfed Teabaggers PAID TO TROLL liberals online to enforce corporate propag
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 09:22 AM
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22. And you used the very first response to complain about an UnRec.
Must be an important thread that with the first thread you have nothing else to say about it other than that somebody dared to give an UnRec the moment you gave a Rec. And right now this OP is on the homepage even though your anonymous Rec got canceled by an UnRec given at the same time.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:49 AM
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23. Why effing care about unrec? Utterly pointless and inane. nt
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 12:00 PM
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25. Gives me an idea for a software mod to the board, if the admins are game
Make rec'ing or unrec'ing something one can only do in the context of a post. Only the first post per user would impact the thread's rec count.
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:23 PM
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3. Listening to you now!
Saw you in the documentary, "ADD and Loving It!" It was very informative. Happy New Year! Dana ; )
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:25 PM
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4. Chicago is selling sidewalks?
Anyone got a link to that news/story?

Michael Hudson is so worth reading/listening to.

Thanks for posting.

K&R
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:56 PM
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8. For the first time in my six decades on the planet, I'm afraid.
...and angry because I feel totally powerless.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 02:14 PM
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9. My sentiments exactly.
Which means you are 'aware", and thus CAN do something.

Many times here people have posted the clear warning signs,and what they mean, and the posts have become overwhelmed with denialists.

A couple of obvious options:
go small and eco-friendly
go communal and eco-friendly

either way, we are going to have to adjust to a very small foot print.

this means... Change!


If I were living on my own, esp. with limited income, I would invest my retirement funds/savings in a piece of land
( very affordable here in the South) that I could rapidly pay off, or in a small motor home than I could stick on a piece of land, but close enough to a small town/stores.
Or one of those Tiny Houses...

Seriously...

I have been looking at the tiny house blog and the tiny housing sites.
I may end up there.




http://tinyhouseblog.com/


http://www.tinygreencabins.com/index.htm
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:29 PM
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10. I think that this is what people will do in reaction to all that is happening.
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 03:29 PM by snappyturtle
Actually, I have thought about this for years and I LOVE those tiny homes. I lived in a motorhome, a very nice one, for a year, 2003. My ex and I did this to live on site while he built his daughter's mega-mansion. I gleaned lots of good space saving ideas out of that experience. Who knows we might well enjoy some of our best times with a whole lot less!

This is a way of coping but unfortunately, doesn't rid us of the problem that is leading us to this way of living.

Over-all, I think your idea is grand! Good luck.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:27 AM
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24. Here's mine from big shoe blog.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:07 PM
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11. A HUGE K&R! Thank you Mr. Hartmann!
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:40 PM
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12. K&R n/t
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:42 PM
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18. We're already there. A huge income gap between rich and poor,
a military budget both parties won't try to cut, the government being controlled by corporations behind the scenes, and we're taking loans from other more powerful countries.
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 01:13 AM
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19. I think it's going to be abumpy ride but third world status is a bit emotive. Things will bounce...
back if we vote with common sense.
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CrunchMaster Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:57 AM
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20. Um... Mr. Hartmann why not use a medium to get out your message other than Moscow based RussiaToday
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 02:58 AM by CrunchMaster
Really don't understand what's going on these days with the totally incapacitated "American Left."

Russia Today(RT.com)??? Really??? How is that helping to get out the message of the "American Left" to Americans???

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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 12:19 PM
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27. You view the American left as incapacitated? Not an assessment I'd be signing on to.
Did those who brought you up in your formative years ever advise against judging a book by its cover? Or is label and brand all one should notice? I understand how much impact the conditioning of exceptionalism has when I encounter arguments such as these. I generally see it as something to avoid rather than promote.

Thom Hartmann has earned my trust through years of providing an entertaining education on the matters of the moment, I'm glad he's chosen not to go mainstream, a venue that should accept going all corporate spin has consequences.

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 01:13 PM
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28. He's also on FreeSpeech TV
Or maybe you can show us how it is done, and let Mr. Hartmann access your national network of TV stations... right?
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 09:29 PM
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30. Why does the channel matter? Who cares if it is RT, Al Jazeera, MSNBC, etc.
The content matters, not the number on your cable/satellite box.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 12:16 PM
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26. Capitalism is coirrupt and criminal and must be left to fail ... "too big to fail" is TOO BIG!!
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 12:32 PM by defendandprotect
TOO BIG to exist!!

Let's stop playing this losing game of Monopoly and move on to

democratic socialism - -


Meanwhile, what Hartmann is saying is what's coming for us is post-WWII

English economy -- without a US government setting up regulations/rules for

health care for all, democracy, equality as we did post-WWII.

Capitalism has so screwed up nature, farming, natural foods that this will

be a new opening for TOO BIG agricultural monopolies to seel their chemical foods --

and their non-reproducing seeds!!


MY BEST WISHES TO ALL HERE FOR PEACE AND LOVE IN THE NEW YEAR !!



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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 01:17 PM
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29. Have you ever run across people in two seemingly disparate parts of your life?
Thom Hartmann has been that for me. I was diagnosed with ADD in the late monetize and his books were some of the go to tomes on the subject. Fas forward a decade and he's one of the leading voices of the left.
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