Cenk Hosting MSNBC: Obama Uses GOP Talking Point On Economy/Deficit

[CherylK]

Run time: 02:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zDq_nrL_M   Posted on YouTube: July 10, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 301   Posted on DU: July 12, 2010 By DU Member: CherylK Views on DU: 3553

 
http://s3.amazonaws.com/nytdocs/docs/399/399.pdf

http://www.gallup.com/poll/140786/Americans-Back-Stimulus-Spending-Create-Jobs.aspx

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[LiberalLovinLug]

2. Other countries have smaller economies because they have less developed systems of trust?

I know its your first post Smith00, but really?...so a business contract in Belgium or Lithuania has always been more trustfully unstable? And America is just now stooping as low as those smaller economies? Really......? At least thats what I got from your post.
And I'd like to read just how you think this connects to the clip.

Which brings me to that great synopsis by Cenk of what DUers have been upset, bewildered and fighting about for the last year. Why on god's green earth is a Democratic President not acting like one, ESPECIALLY on issues where he has the majority backing him up. Reminds me of the 70% figure that was behind some kind of public option in health insurance which was ignored, or at least not fought hard enough for.

Is the DC village THAT insular and the dreadfully misguided DLC THAT powerful and Obama THAT much of a sell-out and the Democratic Party THAT stupid?

I'm hoping that the answer is not yes to all four of those questions.





edit: ooooooooooooo I hate when that happens. Looks like I'm arguing with the invisible spaghetti monster.

[Stevepol]

5. Your question is why Obama is adopting these policies? Simple answer:

Advisors: Rahm Emmanuel, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner

Nuff said.

[Enthusiast]

6. He picked his advisors.

He can change them any time he wishes.

[emilyg]

39. He can get rid of them.

[niceypoo]

47. Ah, so Obama is just a mindless puppet....

Dont think so.

[valerief]

25. Maybe he is acting like a Democratic President. Maybe we need a Progressive President. nt

[Jim Sagle]

35. He's acting like Carter and Clinton but are they really Democrats?

Democrats from FDR through LBJ never acted like this.

[Turborama]

3. A very disappointed K&R

More Cenk hosting on MSNBC, please.


BTW have the actual viewing figures come out for Cenk's shows yet?

[psychopomp]

65. The premise of the OP is BS

The massive, crushing federal debt is what will be the top issue of 2011. It is the elephant in the room, so to speak. Furthermore, doesn't doubling our exports in five years mean that there will be jobs on hand for people to increase productivity?

Knee-jerk hating on the President may be the common currency among many at DU, and I can assure you that I agree that there are many areas to find fault, but this sounds just like the vacuous claims of the teabaggers.

[JTFrog]

4. Cynk is still a tool. n/t

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[JTFrog]

15. When he deserves respect he'll get it.

When he acts like a tool I'll call him a tool and could care less how to spell his name.

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[CherylK]

49. LOL! He HAS respect from the people that matter.

:evilgrin:

[JTFrog]

51. You could be just as easily dismissed.

If I were making this personal like everyone else seems to be.

:shrug:

[CherylK]

52. LOL!!!

Making it personal? You mean like calling Cenk names and not presenting any counter argument?!

:rofl:

[JTFrog]

53. And that personally insulted you?

I didn't attack you personally.

Don't like my opinion about a public figure?

Tough shit.

Disagree with the opinion then. Don't make it personal.

[CherylK]

54. I am insulted by factless attacks on a public figure fighting the good fight!

Others have pointed out that you did not say ONE single specific thing about what Cenk said that was so wrong on this issue. If it is so obvious it should be easy for you to do!

:popcorn:

[JTFrog]

55. Tough shit.

Be insulted then.

No skin off my nose.

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[lillypaddle]

13. sure is.

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[JTFrog]

17. A tool who has no respect for women gets none from one.

And a tool who thinks that Reagan was more liberal than Obama can kiss my plus sized ass.

[pattmarty]

20. Cynk may be as I never heard of her, but CENK is not.

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[JTFrog]

32. Yea, anyone who thinks Cenk is a tool, has to be a freeper.

Not surprised that you'd come off with a personal attack, Mr. No Bias.

:eyes:

[ihavenobias]

37. You called him "Cynk" which many would pronounce "Chink".

He's Turkish and married to a Chinese American woman. Next time choose your insults a little more carefully.

PS---How about a substantive rebuttal of the content in the video instead of flame-bait that's resulted in several deleted comments.

[JTFrog]

38. You don't get to tell me how to choose my insults.

Mr. No Bias.

The insult was calling him a tool. Which he is. Cynk was a typo. Big fucking deal. Nice fucking stretch (contortion actually) there.

I'm perfectly within my rights to express my dislike of any supposed "media figure" I choose here. Especially one that voted for Reagan and then calls Obama more conservative than his hero.

:shrug:

[CherylK]

50. + 1 nt

[Number23]

62. Weirdest post this year

You called him "Cynk" which many would pronounce "Chink".

:wtf:

How the hell do you get that?? I think many people would pronounce that "sink" and certainly not "chink." And I can't believe you're actually telling someone how to insult someone based on your weird perception of said insult!! :crazy: :crazy:

Like I said, weirdest post this year...

[ihavenobias]

63. The majority of people incorrectly pronounce the the c as "ch" instead of "j".

It's true that the second most common mispronunciation is "sink", but the first most is "chenk". So "cynk" would be pronounced "chink" to those people.

If she had written "Chunk" (taking a jab at his weight) it would've been just as childish but oh well. It's not a huge deal either way, just personal attacks with absolutely nothing to back it up.

[JTFrog]

64. Cenk is that you?

Yes, the personal attacks have been incredibly childish in this thread.

And if I had taken a jab at his weight, it would have been well deserved toward someone who had the balls to trash talk plus size models. What a fucking tool Cenk is.

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[JTFrog]

48. No thanks. n/t

[w4rma]

7. Cenk is awesome. (nt)

[LawnKorn]

8. K&R

[spiritual_gunfighter]

11. "The American people are concerned about the debt"

How many times have you heard that statement?

I am unemployed, I am not sure how I am going to make it through the end of the month, if it werent for my mother helping me out right now I would be homeless.

At this time I am not that concerned about the debt.

[NorthCarolina]

12. Recall during the healh care debate, the MSM was pushing "the People don't want a Public Option"

When in truth the public option enjoyed over 70% popularity. It's not about the "truth", it's about the "message". This same faction is quite active on DU as well, working hard to keep you blind to the truth and "on message".

[DutchLiberal]

68. So you'll be contend with your children and grandchildren paying off your debt?

If a majority of Americans is *not* concerned with their country being in debt a couple trillions of dollars... they're very short-sighted and frankly, egoistic toward future generations.

[katandmoon]

14. K&R

[florida08]

18. good job Cenk

apparently more middle class voters are in the democratic party than the thugs. The GOP wants to destroy them and us. Why Obama wants to help them is incomprehensible. Kyl wants the 678B tax cut for the wealthy to continue with no worry about it being paid but extending unemployment relief? No that's gotta stop.

Extending the entire package of tax cuts would cost the US $2.2 trillion over the next 10 years. The Obama administration has argued in favor of allowing to expire at least the part of the tax cuts that applies to people earning over $250,000 a year. That portion is estimated to cost $678 billion over 10 years.

"Tell me, how are you going to pay that $678 billion to keep those Bush tax cuts for the wealthy?" Wallace asked Kyl.

"You should never raise taxes in order to cut taxes," Kyl said. "Surely Congress has the authority -- and it would be right -- if we decide we want to cut taxes to spur the economy, not to have to raise taxes in order to offset those costs. You do need to offset the cost of increased spending. And that’s what Republicans object to. But you should never have to offset the cost of a deliberate decision to reduce tax rates on Americans."

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0711/kyl-you-offset-tax-cuts/

You only help people with money ya know

[mikekohr]

21. The Problem Is Republicans INCREASE Spending and DECREASE Revenue, producing massive debt

WHY DO REPUBLICAN ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES EXPAND THE NATIONAL DEBT?
-The answer is simple mathematics. Reduced revenue + increased spending ='s increased debt-


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http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

The two biggest promises of "Trickle Down Economics" are it's greatest failings. Proponents of "Trickle Down Economics” claim that tax cuts, skewed to the rich, will create jobs and increase tax revenues. The graph above disproves the latter claim. Job creation plummets under "Trickle Down Economics (see http://bureaucountydems.blogspot.com/p/job-growth.html )and nine of the last ten recessions have occurred under Republican leadership (see http://bureaucountydems.blogspot.com/p/history-of-recessions.html ).

Two things are certain to grow when a Republican is in the White House, unemployment and the National Debt.


By contrast, "Bubble Up" economnic priciples practiced by Democratic Administrations put people to work, rev up the economy, and balance the Nation's ledger books. Every time. No exceptions.

mike kohr

[florida08]

26. thanks Mike

for the excellent review and the links. Have lived thru supply side economics and seen it's devastation. Wikipedia also confirms it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

The question is why do they do it and why don't their voters see it? Reagan was handed a national debt of 32% in his first term and ended with 43%. By his second it was up to 53%. At the end of GHW it was 66% of GDP. At the end of Clinton's it was at 56%, and GW had it back up to 83%. Yes that's not big government? With less jobs I might add!

[Bullet1987]

19. Cenk gets it right again!!

[theFrankFactor]

22. Cenk reminds some who have forgotten, what being a Democrat is about.

They are, naturally, embarrassed and as such prone to act out.

[Dinger]

23. K & Rec #31 (nt)

[20score]

28. Damn good points. And if more people stood up for principles and not people, we would have a much

better government. They are doing the country and the Democratic Party no favors by standing up for what's wrong.

[Dawgs]

29. Is Cenk serious?

He just took a great proposal by Obama (increasing trade to grow or add millions of jobs) to Obama is only for lowering the deficit; and not job growth.

And, DUers just ate it up. Big surprise!

[ihavenobias]

30. He was referring to lowering the deficit.

That IS a GOP talking point, and as the polls show, it's a very low priority for Americans. What top economists not tied to right wing think tanks are arguing that now is the time to cut government spending, in the middle of deflation and a horrible recession?

And you're going to defend the president stacking the 'deficit commission' with 14 (out of 18) fiscal conservatives who want go gut social security?

[libmom74]

31. 4 legs baaad 2 legs good

if Obama says it is good it must be good, if Bush says good it is bad (even if the words and intentions are the same). See how that works? You just have to turn off your brain in favor of the day's talking point.

[girl gone mad]

36. Obama's proposal is completely unrealistic.

Every industrialized country in the world now has the exact same goal - to increase exports. The end result is a global trade war that we simply cannot win.

This is an economically naive approach.

[rhett o rick]

44. I cant make any sense of your post.

"He just took a great proposal by Obama to Obama is only for lowering the deficit;..." what?

Pres Obama has stack the commission with corporatists. Who on the commission represents "we the People"?

[SlingBlade]

33. K & R . Speaking TRUTH to power.

[Divine Discontent]

34. B_I_N_G_O - A real progressive Democrat president wouldn't keep giving these thugs so much power.

He makes an executive decision to form this commission, puts a heavy load of asses against SS & Medicare upon it, and wonders why we're pissed at this action.

Our only hope, is that this is just a show. Regardless, it doesn't look good, regardless of what those who fully support his actions think.

Raise the bar for what you can earn and still get taxed for SS benefits, make it $200K, not raise the retirement age for SS benefits to 70! good heavens, this is wrong...



FOR WHATEVER REASON - Obama surrounded himself around a bunch of conniving morons that are hellbent on capitulation on our established programs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[suzanner]

40. just to mention T Hartmann's double santa theory

where RW spends like crazy, passes consequence to Dem and then yells, blames, and sneers about the deficit. Remember Reagan said "deficits don't matter". I think Cenk is right-on for 97% of the time. That said, some will take it as validation not to vote or to vote 3rd party, which hurts everyone because the GOP wins in those cases consistently. Obama is playing bad chess just as Cenk said. What kind of person likes to piss everybody off all the time except their inner circle? I'm not a psychologist.

[slipslidingaway]

41. knr - brutal truth about what most Americans want and ...

what they are being sold by politicians.

Same thing happened with HC, most citizens and doctors wanted a national system funded by taxes, instead they were sold on the idea of choice and a public option.

[pleah]

42. K&R

[ooglymoogly]

43. Gratifying to see folks who get the whole

damn ball, climbing up the trick ladder that is corporate news. Goooo Cenk

[ejbr]

56. k & r n/t

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[hulka38]

58. If MSNBC wants to gain in credibility they will make Cenk a regular.

He's so ready for this.

[Dinger]

59. I Agree (nt)

[me b zola]

60. K&R

[laughingliberal]

61. K & R nt

[DutchLiberal]

67. The deficit *is* the biggest problem, Cenk!

Because you can't owe a couple trillions of dollars in debt to other countries and *not* go bankrupt.

I'm with Obama on this one.