Young Turks: Rand Paul Can't Stop Putting His Foot In His Mouth And The Problem With Libertarians

[CherylK]

Run time: 06:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgEQ3R6QWz8   Posted on YouTube: May 22, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 303   Posted on DU: May 22, 2010 By DU Member: CherylK Views on DU: 2866

 
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/21/paul-bp-unamerican/

[AlbertCat]

1. The Problem With Libertarians

It might work as a political idea if you're a hunter/gatherer group....or live in the empty state of ND.... but when countries get big....like say Luxembourg or Seychelles... Libertarian is just another name for anarchy.

[DeSwiss]

11. Exactly. - Anarchy-Lite. n/t

[socialist_n_TN]

23. Well yeah. That's the trick. I actually agree with some

Libertarian positions on personal freedoms. I am an old hippie after all. BUT when a population gets to be country sized and corporations are even bigger than that you've GOT to have a strong government regulatory process in place. It's the ONLY serious check on those corporations.

And as an aside, I REALLY wonder if Libertarians did manage to take control of government how MUCH of those "personal freedom" positions they would follow through on. I have a feeling that, in order to gain neocon support, those personal freedoms would be put on the back burner FOREVER. After all wouldn't giving the population those freedoms put a big hurt on the penal/enforcement industry? It would be interfering with their ability to make money.

I have a feeling those positions are only there to gain the support of people like me with Libertarian positions on personal issues.

[skepticscott]

24. Or just another name for

Law of the Jungle. The underlying (but rarely expressed openly) principle of hard-core Libertarian philosophy is "No matter how rough things get, I will always be smart enough, tough enough and savvy enough to come out on top. For those who aren't...tough."

[truth2power]

2. Somewhat off the subject, but Rand Paul has a distinctively whiney voice...

Drives me nuts. :crazy:

[Lil Missy]

6. I was thinking "smarmy". There's definately some attitude in that voice.

[Divine Discontent]

16. 'some attitude' ---- some??? lol

[Wetzelbill]

3. K&R!

[laurel46]

4. Yes accidents happen, BP knows this too Rand.

So, if we all know accidents happen, shouldn't a major company plan for inevitable accidents? What a stupid excuse, where is the personal responsibility to plan for accidents that BP itself talked about before the drilling? Not to mention how many times BP witnessed blow outs in it's own company, but failed to plan. Is Rand simply not capable of higher intelligence?

A bigger problem with libertarians is that in order to prevent others from imposing on a libertarian's freedoms, the libertarians makes tons of oppressive laws to control those "others". The EPA hinders BP's freedom so, suppress the EPA with laws preventing them from making laws. They need laws to prevent liberals from imposing on their civil rights with the civil rights of others. I would demand to see the birth certificate of these kooks at every opportunity. Arizona's libertarians are regulating immigration by making laws right and left, (oops right and further right) to completely take away the rights of latinos, kids, and the poor. Demand Brewers and Arpaio's birth certificate, did they ever show them before they took office? For people who want to be free to do as they choose, the rons and rands of the world spend a lot of time fixating on other people who are minding their own business, and getting involved in limiting thoughts, behaviors and actions.

[axollot]

28. He is just openly telling the oil/coal industry "If I win, I'm on your side" n/t

[DWinNJ]

5. I may be wrong on one or more points

1) The gulf is not international waters
2) The EPA can’t write regulations but they can come down with the full force of law within their jurisdiction.
3) Airlines don’t even have to have an accident, a “close call” is enough to bring in the FAA.

[axollot]

29. The blow out was 14 miles off Louisiana which is well within our boarders. n/t

[20score]

7. This ideological purity of the libertarians is no deferent than the dogma of the religious.

[TheEuclideanOne]

8. Helpful hint - When making your "accidents happen" argument...

do not use two examples that demonstrate what might be the two most avoidable and preventable accidents in history. On top of that, we are talking recent history too. If you want to use an example that won't make you look so batshit cracy, use the Titanic or something that happened way before anybody can remember or verify.

I am a rock climber and safety is an important part of the sport. if I fall on a climb, I will not fall more than a few inches due to safety checks and having a partner who is doing his or her job correctly. If I use faulty equipment and don't check it before I climb, when I do fall and get hurt or kill myself, it will not be a matter of an accident just happening, it will be as a direct relationship to my not following safety precautions.

I like Ron Paul, or at least alot of his beliefs and especially like that he is true to his beliefs and I think that this has probably helped his son get elected. However, in just a few interviews recently, I realize that there is no way I can get behind this guy at all. Actually, just this one interview shows him to be in a completely different place than I am. Accidents happen? WTF?!?!

[DWinNJ]

17. You're no help

Your Titanic example doesn't take into account the recent discovery that what may have been a major cause in the sinking was the use of inferior metal in the rivets. The preservation of profits and keeping on schedule may have caused the ship builder to say screw it, we'll use whatever bolts we can get hold of.

[TheEuclideanOne]

19. Sorry, missing your point here

are you saying that the Titanic was also another example of ignoring safety precautions and thus is a bad example?

[axollot]

30. Yes.

[TheEuclideanOne]

31. That is interesting. History repeats itself, eh?

As true as that may be, it speaks to my point of the incidents being recent history. While that may very well have been the case, since so much time has passed that even if that is 100% true, it does not have the same impact as tragedy that is happening in front of our eyes and one that happened only a few weeks ago. In addition, both of these examples are just plane in your face and nothing at all is lost in history.

[axollot]

32. Greed seems to behind most of this - cut corners on the Titanic and

look at their hubris. Same with the Gulf. Hubris that will last generations that all I can say is can we try to change now?

Cheers
Sandy

[AlbertCat]

26. we'll use whatever bolts we can get hold of...cheaper!

Not to mention the fact they were UNADVISEDLY at full steam in cold, dark waters in order to get to port earlier than expected. So the Titanic hit the berg and sank by accident, yes...but not willy nilly. Decisions were made to ignore certain safety precautions they KNEW about but ignored because of cost/ PR concerns. They knew they were in berg infested waters on a dark night, but went full steam ahead anyway hoping nothing would go wrong.

Hubris.

Just like BP.

[pretzel4gore]

9. a Rightwing Curse may doom humanity

unfortunately, the evidence is a mile down in the waters of G of Mexico...and believe me, the tonnes of water keeping the blob down/outtasite is being toasted by rightwing stooges AS WE SPEAK. But even they are silently sneaking away. Tom brokcawkaw retired years ago, while the Youngster was tearing it apart....Tom saw and saved his skin. Whew! They all did. PJ Ororke rarely appears on tv anymore. His work done too well. William F up and died. Even rosh limbah-humbug stays alone with his 18 million fans, mostly. Hush hush. They all realize. THIS IS IT.

[AmericaIsGreat]

10. 1:35 to 1:55 is COMPLETELY incoherent

What the fuck is Rand talking about?

[athenasatanjesus]

12. Accidents happen don't you mean personal responsibility?

I thought with conservatives/libertarians there are no accidents you're poor cause you fail you're rich cause you're great The End!

[laurel46]

18. Oh, touche! I must use that: no accidents, only bad choices.

[DeSwiss]

13. K&R!!!

- Libertarian = Mental Defect. The inability to empathize with others coupled with an inflated sense of self-importance and ability, as contrasted against the commonweal.

[MikeMc]

15. Libertarian = Repug Fake 3rd Party (= Mental Defective)

The Paul family is yet another bad thing coming out of TX, with all due respect to Patman, Ivins, Richards, & Hightower. There is nothing in their platform that can hurt the big money, oily garchy, right wing, white guy, fake Khristian, Oglesby 'Cowboys'. 'Abolish the CIA' is their best idea, and can they ever really deliver? But there are plenty of concrete platform ideas that benefit the same aforementioned sleazebags. It is funny how we keep getting the alternate choice, in national elections, of 'a right wing white guy from the south' as 'a third party candidate'. Which right wing southern white guy do you choose to govern, America? DLC member, Repug, or Paul/Perot?

[47of74]

20. Libertarians are Republicans who want to smoke week and get f--ked.

[Capitalocracy]

14. K&R

'nuff said

[herbm]

21. Perfect job for Rand - ethics professor at Bob Jones University.

If one forgets that it IS racism, a more passive sort of racism, one can almost see the logic of what he says he bases his passive racism on. But racism IS racism and what he says is moraly wrong regardless of all the logic and puny ethics he bases it on. That's the kind of talk one should save for a garage or hunt lease with some alchohol to blame it on with a couple of other morons who wouldn't repeat this kind of tripe sober or in front of anybody else. If you got to talk like this don't infect anybody else with it - your kids, the neighbors kids your mom but especialy the constituency you might want to appeal to.

It shows how closed his social set is that he felt so comfortable saying this kind of crap in public. I am glad he did, people needed to know who he was and how he felt about some critical issues - race being one of the important ones.

[AlbertCat]

27. he felt so comfortable saying this kind of crap in public.

Bingo!

Just like when Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson would get together and all echo-chamber comfy and spew out some horrifying statement about god's punishments.... that they later had to twist into logical Gorgon knots to try to make palpable to the general public.

Just like when Rush gets out of his screened element... remember his TV show?... and is hooted out of (decent) society like Glenn Close at the end of "Dangerous Liaisons".

Rushbo's 1st TV show just let anybody in for the live audience. It was a disaster! So they screened the studio audience....but they cannot screen the TV audience. Rushbo was an offensive nightmare!
On the Radio, he is isolated.... being mostly background noise for people running errands in the car. But even that background noise seeps in sometimes. But not as much as the RW media (which does exist) would like us to think. Just like the Teabaggers are a much smaller and way more out of touch group than they are portrayed.

These Rand, Rush, Palin guys are not leading any kind of "revolution"...

[olegramps]

22. That's what his mom said.

[laurel46]

25. What a Morand. n/t