TYT: Palin & O'Reilly: US Law Based On God, Bible

[WhoIsNumberNone]

Run time: 08:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeIEO3DBNEI   Posted on YouTube: May 11, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 302   Posted on DU: May 11, 2010 By DU Member: WhoIsNumberNone Views on DU: 1562

 

[activa8tr]

1. I guess there's a reason for posting this. Just to know what the

enemies of Obama and the Democratic Party are up to.

I guess it's my choice not to waste a minute of my day watching what they say.

I really hope these fools are gone from the media soon. We have enough polluted brains in America.

Of course, this is a TYT clip, so it might be worth a look. TYT ROCKS!!!

[ihavenobias]

7. The nice thing about TYT clips is you can skip past the idiocy and get to where Cenk debunks it.

Granted, I enjoy watching the idiocy followed by the debunking, but still.

[activa8tr]

9. Very true and always worth it!

[Capitalocracy]

16. I've found that some people simply can't stand to hear Sarah Palin's voice

It's like nails on a chalkboard. I see where they're coming from. I have a high pain threshold and I think it's important to analyze the crazies, especially when they have power.

K&R

[JDPriestly]

15. Actually, this gives us the opportunity to correct errors in fact

and to point out the irrelevancies in the statements of Sarah Palin and Bill O'Reilly.

For example, that the Ten Commandments are on the wall of the Supreme Court building proves absolutely nothing about the intentions of the Founding Fathers.

Here are the facts about the Supreme Court building which was constructed in the early 1930s:


The U.S. Supreme Court Building
Photo courtesy of the DC SHPO

The Supreme Court Building, constructed between 1932--1935, was designed by noted architect Cass Gilbert, who is best known as the architect for the Woolworth Building in New York. The first session of the Supreme Court was convened on February 1, 1790, but it took some 145 years for the Supreme Court to find a permanent residence.

. . . .

Cast in bronze, the west entrance doors sculpted by John Donnelly, Jr., depict historic scenes in the development of the law. The east entrance's architrave bears the legend, "Justice the Guardian of Liberty." A sculpture group by Herman A. McNeil is located above the east entrance that represents great lawgivers, Moses, Confucius, and Solon, flanked by symbolic groups representing Means of Enforcing the Law, Tempering Justice with Mercy, Carrying on Civilization, and Settlement of Disputes Between States.

http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc78.htm

Moses, Confucious and Solon -- all considered the great lawgivers and recognized on the wall of the Supreme Court Building.

Sarah Palin is just an ignorant fool. And O'Reilly is even worse.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

19. Rock On!

I'd love it if someone would pimp slap Sarah Palin with that exact information. That must be why she only does interviews on Fox.

[fascisthunter]

2. obviously they both have God and the Devil mixed up

their version of god is a perversion, suitable to their own selfish agendas. I do believe both are sociopaths...

[Gamey]

3. Fake backdrop on Queen of Quit

She's clearly in a tin can.

[dotymed]

4. everyone knows that capitalism is Christian.

Even though, in the bible, Jesus makes more derogatory remarks about wealth and how it "is the root of all evil", than any other non-Christian value. How do these "Christians re-interpret all of those remarks? Come on lets be real. According to the tee vee preachers, GOD wants you to financially prosper, just like them...Send them some money and they'll pray for you....lol..ever listen to the Rolling Stones song, The Girl With Far-A-Way eyes? It nails it..

[TatonkaJames]

5. Stupid is as Stupid Is

That Judeo Christian belief our Founding Fathers had was FLAWED you idiot. They played GOD, not interpreting Him into our lives. Otherwise "All Men Are Created Equal" means slavery would never have happened.
She is such an airhead I am thinking of selling our televisions and radios.

[JDPriestly]

6. Actually, our law is inspired in part by the Bible through the Justinian Code but

is also inspired by the Code of Hammurabi which preceded both the Bible and the Justinian Code. I have read Bible scholars who suggest that the Ten Commandments were inspired by the Code of Hammurabi. I don't know if that is true. They seem very different to me.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi

Codex Justinianus

The Codex Justinianus (Code of Justinian, Justinian's Code) was the first part to be completed, on April 7, 529. It collects the constitutiones of the Roman Emperors. The earliest statute preserved in the code was enacted by Emperor Hadrian; the latest came from Justinian himself. The compilers of the code were able to draw on earlier works such as the official Codex Theodosianus and private collections like the Codex Gregorianus and the Codex Hermogenianus. The emperor was an absolute monarch, considered indeed God's regent on earth, answerable only to God, and consequently his legislative, executive and judicial powers were unlimited and accurate throughout. Due to legal reforms by Justinian himself, this work later needed to be updated, so a second edition of the Codex (the so-called "Codex repetitae praelectionis") was issued in 534, after the Digest. The social order is shown in the later Empire. According to Justinian, the Codex regulated all human and divine affairs and laws from the time of the foundation of Rome by Romulus and Remus into a clear system that was not confusing to the public. The emperor also removed repetitive or iniquitous laws, in order to “afford all men the ready assistance of true meaning.”

Legislation about religion
Numerous provisions serve to secure the status of Orthodox Christianity as the state religion of the empire, uniting Church and state, and making anyone who was not connected to the Christian church a non-citizen.

Laws against heresy
The very first law in the Codex requires all persons under the jurisdiction of the Empire to hold the holy Orthodox (Christian) faith. This was primarily aimed against heresies such as Arianism. This text later became the springboard for discussions of international law, especially the question of just what persons are under the jurisdiction of a given state or legal system.

Laws against paganism
Other laws, while not aimed at pagan belief as such, forbid particular pagan practices. For example, it is provided that all persons present at a pagan sacrifice may be indicted as if for murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Juris_Civilis

Ms. Palin, here are some very basic facts about our government and our law. Normally, you learn this stuff in the 6th grade, but since you apparently didn't, here goes:

The point of our Revolution was to establish a NEW FORM OF GOVERNMENT. We have no official religion. We have no king. We have no royalty. Those institutions did not work. They were rigid. Our Founding Fathers were, many of them, scientists, interested in learning and trying new things.

They established a new system. Under it, we are, theoretically, all equal before the law. We have a legislature that decides the laws. Therefore we are not bound by Biblical law or any other law established long before Europeans found their way to our country.

We adopted many of our ideas and the format for our law from the common law of Britain which was inspired in part by preceding laws, but our Founding Fathers intended to establish a new form of government, a new method for enacting laws and new laws. The laws of the Bible, the Code of Hammurabi and the common law of England were just a starting point.

Sarah Palin, you are an idiot. You are talking off your head. When you get that funny, dizzy feeling in your head and you say what sounds good to you, that's when you are making a fool of yourself. Observe your feelings when you do that. We all see that strange expression on your face. When you start feeling unsure, just shut up. Let the other person do the talking. You would seem much more dignified if you didn't just blurt out stupid answers to every question.

I am no expert on this topic, but I have studied a tiny bit. Sarah Palin should shut up because she is going to seriously embarrass herself one of these days.

[Wizard777]

13. Actually many of the concepts in our Constitution come from the Zend Avesta and Persian Empire.

Zoroastrianism and the Persian Empire were very instrumental to the founding of America in the US Constitution. Freedom of religion was a human right in the Persian Empire. Cyrus the Great was Zoroastrian. Zoroastrianism is nit a religion you can born into. You must enter of your own freewill and understand the significance of joining the religion. So Cyrus could not force his religion upon others without violating the conditions of the Navjote. When they say Zoroastrianism was the official religion of the Persian Empire. All that means is that Zoroastrianism was the emperors religion and nothing more. Zoroastrianism was more of a control over the crown. It wasn't a control over the masses and it's monotheistic predecessors are. Also as Mazdayasni I say a prayer every morning that affirms my freedom of movement. As an American Mazdayasni that has studied the Persian empire. I don't find it to be foreign at all. In fact as an America I find it be very familiar. They valued a lot of the same concepts that we do.

[JDPriestly]

18. Interesting. Of course, our Constitution was also inspired by the

forms of government of, I believe, the Delaware Indians.

But our law comes pretty directly from English common law. How did the Persian Empire and Zoroastrianism influence English common law? Are you saying that it influenced Hebrew and Roman law as did Hammurabi's Code?

[Wizard777]

20. At the time of the founding of America the Cyropaedia (The education of Cyrus) by Xenophon was -

one of two books that was required reading for all diplomats. That deals with a slightly fictionalized life of Cyrus the Great. The other book was The Prince by Machiavelli. So yes legal scholars and diplomats could have been influenced by the Persian Empire and Zoroastrianism by extension. Cyrus governed the Persian empire but Zoroastrianism governed Cyrus. Cyrus the great also freed the Jews from the babylonian captivity. They proclaimed him to be their Messiah even though he was a gentile. So Yes Cyrus and the persian empire had a profound influence upon the Hebrews. I'm not so sure about Hammurabi. I haven't really studied him beyond being the founder of building codes. LOL I know his codes are about 4,000 years old. But it's had to place Zoroaster in a time. There are no less than 7 people through out persian history that are referred to a Zarathustra. Many place him contemporary to Cyrus the Great. But he actually served Kaye(King) Vishtasp. It real hard to pin Kaye Vishtasp to a time line. What I do know is that in the days of Cyrus the Great. The Kingdom of Kaye Vishtasp was so long ago it was considered legendary in 700 BC. So I would place Zoroaster and Kay Vishtasp around 7,000 BC. So there is the possibility that Zoroaster's works could been an influence on Hammurabi. Zoroastrianism was the prodominant religion of the ancient middle east. But not Cyrus. I'll have to look deeper into the works of Hammurabi to see if there is any that I can recognize as being Zoroastrian in nature or concept.

[JDPriestly]

21. Thanks. I think I posted a link to the Code of Hammurabi somewhere here.

Interesting. I don't really know much about Persian history.

[Wizard777]

22. Persian History is very fascinating. It's a very important part of world history.

Zoroastrianism is equally as fascinating. This is where the concept of paradise comes from. The Jewish tale of Adam and Eve come from the Zoroastrian Mashya and Mashyana. The war in heaven and the eternal battle between good and evil also comes from Zoroastrianism. Zarathustra created a lil game to explain the battle between good & evil. He called it chatrang. We now more commonly call it chess. That's why the game pieces are black and white. The white pieces are symbolic of Ahura Mazda and the Amesha Spenta and the black pieces are Ahriman and the Daeva's. Judaism and Christianity never made sense to me until I learned about Zoroastrianism. When I learned about Judaism and Christianity it created a lot of questions. I found all the answers to those questions in Zoroastrianism.

[provis99]

24. no, our law is based on ancient Teutonic tribal code and Viking weregild.

That conclusion is just as valid as your own assertion.

[AlbertCat]

8. The 18th century

HELLO!
The Founding Fathers lived in the 18th century. They were smart amazing guys, but you'll notice there are no Founding Mothers.... or Founding Negroes, or Founding Asians. This is because it was the friggin' 18th Century!!!! What about that do the Palins and O'Reillys not get? Do they think life was just like it is today except without electricity in the 18th century???? They haven't a clue as to what life was like and what people thought back then.

For instance, what is a "Christian Nation" in the 18th Century? To folks of European descent, it' a nation run by a KING who is a member of a family CHOSEN BY GOD to rule. That's what an 18th century Christian Nation was.... like France, or Spain, or England! Didn't we fight a 10 year war with the Christian Nation of England to get out from under the yolk of that Christian Nation?

The Constitution did not appear in a vacuum. It has an 18th century context! (like with the 2nd Amendment, where the word "arms" does not mean what it means today.)

I bring this "what words used to mean" thing up because I used to make period clothes for the movies (my stuff is all over "Last of the Mohicans") and let me tell you I've done a lot of research. The word "skirt" doesn't even mean the same thing as it does today! ("Skirts" in the 18th century refers to the fullness of a man's coat, and has nothing to do with women's clothes. The lengths of fabric that went over padded rolls and hoops on the lower part of women's outfits are called "petticoats".... whether on the outside or underneath. See, two simple everyday words that do not mean what they mean today.)

Only uneducated fools think the Founding Fathers would even begin to understand what Palin or O'Reilly are talking about. (besides... I don't think they care about the issue really except for scoring points)

[happygoluckytoyou]

10. don't steal... don't lie... don't murder... GLAD WE HAVE A BIBLE TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT...

[happygoluckytoyou]

11. don't divorce... leave sidehair uncut... dwelling in huts on certain holidays... kosher eating...

[happygoluckytoyou]

12. so the bible is batting about 3 for 7 on THAT list.... how you doing rush, bill, sarah....

[AlbertCat]

14. don't murder...

Alas, that obviously means "Thou shalt not kill.... other Jews", because throughout the rest of that book (and in many others) they kill everything that moves.

[Capitalocracy]

17. Religion is the laziest form of morality

It works better as a whitewash than an actual moral code.

[Oerdin]

23. Treaty of Tripoli - Is the US A Christian Nation? Hmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

That's the complete text of the Treaty of Tripoli. I won't bother to rehash it here, but this is the relevant passage for discussion:


"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. "

Emphasis on the bolded section. The United States Senate UNANIMOUSLY ratified this Treaty, including Article 11, which was read aloud on the floor of the Senate. And by the way, this was in 1797.

Anyone still think the US is a "Christian nation"?