Are You Still Proud to be an American Lee Greenwood?

[spandexfantastic]

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is he?

[spandexfantastic]

1. We need to match all of these faux Patriots with the end game of their beliefs

Toby Keith is next.

[Quixote1818]

2. Toby Keith is a Democrat who supported Obama

http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/08/wtf-toby-keith/

Oddly enough.

[spandexfantastic]

3. and....

Obama supports the Bush policy.

No surprises there.

[paulsby]

13. how is toby keith a "faux patriot?"

because you don't like his song lyrics?

fwiw, he's also a democrat

[spandexfantastic]

17. You must have forgotten about his blood-lust songs

nuff said.

[paulsby]

29. no, i didn't

i quite liked them

again, how is he a FAUX patriot?

[liberation]

23. You seem to have trouble distinguishing the actual pegging order between country and party

Let me help you: Country 1st, Party 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th).

It is not rocket science, really. Alas...

[Bolo Boffin]

4. I don't know about Lee Greenwood.

But I am still proud to be an American.

[spandexfantastic]

5. Why should you be proud

because you were born somewhere?

How about one's own accomplishments?

Bill Hicks was right.

[Bolo Boffin]

6. Because America is a great country.

It has its problems. But the good things, the "accomplishments" as you put it, of America and Americans inspire me to do the same and I am happy and proud to be associated with it and them in any way.

[spandexfantastic]

7. I just don't get nationalism

to favor any person from anywhere because where they are from, or take any kind of collective pride in things not my own. Plus, I just find it immoral to group people on the macro to make judgments on the micro.

If I follow your logic we should also wallow in collective shame when we do something awful?

Bill Hicks was right.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. Pride in your country can be a fault, sure.

So can pride in yourself.

Are you proud of Bill Hicks?

[spandexfantastic]

16. No, I appreciate Bill Hicks

I don't have the right to be proud of him. That's for his family.

[Bolo Boffin]

19. Why do you think his family can be proud of him?

Bill did what he did, right? All his family should be able to do is "appreciate him," according to your logic.

Regardless, the way you feel about Bill Hicks, the way you seek to associate yourself with what he did and recommend it to others, that's what I call being proud of someone. And America has many faults, and Bill Hicks did as well, but despite those faults there are great goods in both, and I'm happy to recommend and associate myself with both of them.

[spandexfantastic]

21. they share a dna link

with him.

[Bolo Boffin]

26. DNA makes people responsible for the acts of another?

Explain this "science" to me.

ETA: We all have a DNA link to each other.

[liberation]

24. Well, when exactly did Bill Hicks go around killing innocent bystanders with a 30mm chaingun?

Not all personal "faults" are the same. Some are more "faulty" than others...

[Bolo Boffin]

25. When did "America"?

People who deny a collective bond can't blame it for anything, either.

[sabrina 1]

9. When it is done in our name, we certainly should do something

about it. Watch this video and tell those children how proud you are to be an American right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_5tZqzwXg

[Bolo Boffin]

20. Of course we should.

My country, right or wrong. When right, celebrate it. When wrong, seek to fix it.

[IsItJustMe]

11. I get it. I just think it leads to an US versus THEM mentality that is the cause for much of the

strife in the world today.

The world would be a better place if folks could get their pride and ego out of the way and replace competition with cooperation.

[paulsby]

15. it also leads to people striving to better themselves

their situation, and their country

there is a reason why so many countries dumped communism, and why so many people from hellholes like cuba try desperately to get here, at risk of life and limb

[paulsby]

14. most people from most countries are proud of where they are from

and few people here would have a problem with a french citizen, for example, being proud of their heritage

but god forbid an american be proud of the USA.

i'm damn proud, fwiw. (i also love france)

[sabrina 1]

27. The difference is taht most people in other countries

aren't chanting about how great they are every day, or telling the world that they are 'the best country in the world'. I've never heard a flag-waving Irishman, or Spaniard, or Italian, declare on a daily basis that 'We are #1'.

It's fine to love your country, it's not fine to assume every one else is inferior to you. Nor is it fine to kill people in other countries.

The U.S. is no longer #1 anyhow, mainly due to that kind of blind allegiance and mis-guided loyalty, and as a result to the defense of policies that should have been opposed.

[paulsby]

28. have you ever traveled

imo & ime that's utter rubbish

fwiw, many parisiens think other frenchmen are inferior to them, let alone people from other countries.

[sabrina 1]

30. Yes, I have lived abroad, and never saw anything like

the flag waving nationalism anywhere, that we have here. I do not see the French or anyone else, wearing flags in their lapels. But then all those countries' Empire days are over. The U.S. has to keep up the uber nationalism, the 'us against the world' propaganda, in order to keep the people supporting their illegal wars.

[paulsby]

31. let me give you an example

in the UK, i see union jacks everywhere

lots of national pride and resistance to EU uniformities

in france, they have a ministry of culture (how orwellian) that can FINE businesses, etc. for using non-french phrases, etc. in advertising and signage, etc. in other words, enforcing language and culture via the barrel of a gun.

people here get apoplectic over "freedom fries" et al, but we don't have a GOVERNMENT AGENCY fining people for daring to use other languages

americans do celebrate our uniqueness and our greatness, fwiw.

god knows i do.

i didn't see a lot of flag waving here until we were attacked on 9/11

i fly a flag at my house and i'm glad i can do so

there was a court case recently where a public university told a student he couldn't place a flag in his dorm room window, out of "sensitivity" to others on campus

fortunately, the campus was forced to allow him to do so after an appeal was filed.

[rpannier]

10. At least he knows he's free nt

[paulsby]

12. i am

no doubt about it

[crim son]

18. I can't help thinking about the wingnuts who protest Obama

wearing their weapons openly displayed. Strange freaking world we live in.

[liquid diamond]

22. I still am. n/t