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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:40 PM
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Keith Olbermann: Sarah Palin's Religious Beliefs
 
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:52 PM
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1. Sarah Palin like most (but by no means all) hardline fundamentalist Protestants believes that
it would be a good thing - in fact the greatest thing imaginable - to intentionally provoke World War III against the entire Arab and Islamic word that has allied with Russia (Gog and Magog) - such an event would bring about the return of Jesus Christ.

I should say that this wildly dangerous interpretation is definitely not the majority interpretation even among Evangelicals - but it is the majority (but far from unanimous) interpretations among the kind of hardline fundamentalist who now comprise a major power block within the Republican Party.

It is very important to understand that this particular brand of hardline fundamentalist who are now a major power block within the Republican Party don't just oppose better relations with Arab and Islamic world on some kind of tactical grounds or even merely a religious obligation to be supportive of Israel - they sincerely believe that a full fledged, total total War - a World War III that would most likely be against Russia as well - is the greatest and most fantastic thing that could ever, ever happen
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:19 AM
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4. yep and her sect have openly said they want to take over America and have a Plan


Palin Pastors, Ensign "C Street House" Owner Promote Same Infiltration Plan

"7M Mandate" Calls For Believers To Infiltrate Business, Government, Media...

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/politics/141381/palin_pastors,_ensign_%22c_street_house%22_owner_promote_same_infiltration_plan

In a 2005 religious ceremony (link to video footage) held as Palin was preparing to run for the Alaska governor's seat, two pastors publicly blessed and anointed Palin and in a short speech prior to the anointing, Kenyan religious leader Thomas Muthee gave an opening speech in whcih he clearly espoused, with Sarah Palin in the audience, the 7 Mountains Mandate.







The 7M Mandate is being promoted by a newly formed global Christian relational network, coalescing out of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic movement, which represents a radically different new form of Christianity, whose leaders Palin is extensively linked to, that most Americans do not even know exists: The New Apostolic Reformation.

The Seven Mountains Mandate, also known as the "7M Mandate" as well as "Reclaiming the Seven Mountains", is being promoted widely in a multilevel marketing campaign which includes websites with downloadable Powerpoint presentations, affiliate programs, Teleseminars, professionally produced videos, inspirational posters and other dedicated graphic arts branding images, yearly conferences (1, 2, 3), and traveling motivational speakers such as Lance Wallnau.


On June 7, 2009 Lance Wallnau gave a talk at Sarah Palin's central Alaska church ( video clip from event), the Wasilla Assembly of God. Introduced by head pastor Ed Kalnins, who described first encountering the Seven Mountains idea through Lance Wallnau, Apostle Wallnau urged listeners to "invade" the Seven Mountains using overt and also covert methods.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:14 AM
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8. keeping these lunatics and the more secularist neoconservative lunatics from driving America and t
world over the abyss into World War III and a new dark age. This is in my opinion the single - most important challenge for all people of good will.

It is an undeniable fact that there are very powerful political forces, both secular and religious - who for different reasons are passionately determined to drive America and the world into a protracted and un-winnable total military conflict of absolutely catastrophic proportions.

If the Sarah Palins, Mike Huckabees, Randy Scheunemanns and William Kristols get their way and their policy prevails "then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science."
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:56 AM
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2. Not surprising in the least, I'm afraid.
And "afraid" is a very operative word here. Imagine these loons with their hands on the levers of power.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:58 AM
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3. Imagine that loon
With that red button in front of here. Bring on the apocalypse, baby. Bomb baby, bomb!
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:26 AM
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5. Frankly I'm scared of any politician (aspiring or actual) who believes in an afterlife
if you think some people are going to suffer punishment in an afterlife it's not a huge leap to consider them already 'dead' and treat them accordingly. If one believes that this is the ONLY life we get there's far more incentive to try and make it a good one than for those who figure their personal god will make everything better in the afterlife.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:38 AM
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7. Just one more way that religion pollutes any serious national discussion.
These "christians" appear to be waging a War On America. I wish we Americans would fight back!
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:25 AM
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9. that would exclude approximately 90% of Americans
unfortunately it is not only religious fanatics who seem determined to bring about World War III - There are plenty of secularist neoconservatives who for different reasons appear determined to create this self-fulfilling prophesy. God forbid that these very different people, driven by different motives - unite and prevail.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:45 AM
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15. Luckilly my time in US was limited
For all it's admirable qualities, I could never live permanently in a nation in which being an atheist when it comes to ALL religions (as opposed to being one in the case of 99% of them which ALL theists are) is considered an aberration. In my neck of the woods a politician banging on about his/her religion is viewed as considerably more suspect, as I think it should. I'd prefer the people with control of our budgets and armed forces made decisions based on evidence.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 03:59 AM
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6. For those who haven't seen this link before.
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 04:01 AM by juno jones
"Seven Mountains" and the "Joel's Army" plan for takeover

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/7/165650/170

Dogemperor and troutfishing (Bruce Wilson) on DKos put together soome amazing research threads last year concerning Palin and her church. Most of these were studded with chilling primary resource media such as videos showing these people speaking in their own words about their beliefs and plans for the world.

These are great rescources for those who would understand these phenomena to a fuller extent. It was sort of lost last year in the 'minister wars' but deserves to be revisted now that they are continuing to push Palin on us after her loss.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:33 AM
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10. These people are barking mad, and we shouldn't be afraid to cal them out n/t
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 09:28 AM
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12. There's nothing to suggest that Palin's religious beliefs are anything but utterly mainstream?
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 10:22 AM by The Night Owl
"There's nothing to suggest that Palin's religious beliefs are anything but utterly mainstream." - Keith Olbermann


Is KO kidding? For crying out loud, Palin's most formative church practices speaking in tongues and spiritual warfare, associates with pastors who describe themselves as witch fighters, and promotes the idea that End Times are imminent and that Alaska will serve as a refuge during Armageddon. This is utterly mainstream?
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 09:56 AM
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13. I would like to repeat this because of its importance:
The French ex-President Jacques Chirac recounted during an interview with the French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice how the U.S. President George Walker Bush asked him in 2003 during a phone conversation for support of the invasion of Iraq. In Maurice's book Si vous le répétez, je démentirai George W. Bush is documented to have said “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East", "The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled", and "This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.

Need we any additional evidence as to just how dangerous and determined these people are then the disaster that has taken place in Iraq. People also are unaware that Lieberman is fully allied with these nitwits and should be removed from an position of authority.

What has always amazed me is that the opening lines of Revelation state that "Happy is the one who reads this book, and happy are those who listen to the works of this prophetic message and obey what is written in this book! For the time is near when all these things will happen." Well, folks it has been over 2000 years and still counting. The same can be said of Paul who saw all of this coming to past within his life time when he caution the time is near at hand. It is just more of the same lunacy.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:11 PM
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14. Bruce Wilson asks "Help Get This To Olbermann & Maddow Before It's Too Late"
please visit this link to see this properly formatted and with links to source materials including videos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/25/808105/-Help-Get-This-To-Olbermann-s-Too-Late


if you agree with this post you can recommend MSNBC pick up the news on Sarah Palin's religious ties, discussed below, at: countdown@msnbc.com and rachel@msnbc.com

report excerpt

In a November 24th, 2009 segment of MSNBC's Countdown, Keith Olbermann asserted that Palin's religious views are not unusual, in terms of American culture. That might be true if giving Samurai swords to graduating religious students, claiming Christians can learn to raise the dead, and advocating the religious cleansing of unbelievers, is normative within Christianity.



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Over the course of the past year, working together with a research colleague, I have extensively documented that Sarah Palin is tightly associated with the top leadership of a newly formed Christian tendency called the New Apostolic Reformation. The goal of the movement ? - This is not about the "Rapture." It's about Christian supremacy.

Many Americans including some on the right, including some Christian fundamentalists, would be shocked by the tenets and practices of Sarah Palin's religious tendency, and if the story about Sarah Palin and the New Apostolic Reformation broke through into mainstream media, well...

It would be a game changer. For the good in my opinion. So if you want to help banish Palin from the national stage, please help me publicize the nature of the religious movement Palin is closely tied to.

as noted in New York Times reporter Laurie Goodstein's October 24, 2008 story YouTube Videos Draw Attention to Palin’s Faith,

Ms. Palin has had long associations with religious leaders who practice a particularly assertive and urgent brand of Pentecostalism known as "spiritual warfare."

Its adherents believe that demonic forces can colonize specific geographic areas and individuals, and that "spiritual warriors" must "battle" them to assert God’s control, using prayer and evangelism. The movement’s fixation on demons, its aggressiveness and its leaders’ claims to exalted spiritual authority have troubled even some Pentecostal Christians.

Ms. Palin delivered an enthusiastic graduation speech for a class of young spiritual warriors in June at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the church in which she was raised.
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