Pledge of Allegiance (as original written) recited by schoolchildren 1950

[KAMouflage]

Run time: 00:26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jALTh4IfGFY   Posted on YouTube: November 17, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 17, 2009 By DU Member: KAMouflage Views on DU: 3782

 
As a long-time member of DU (Dec 2000), I don't post much; however, with the nonsense spewed by the theocrats these days, I thought this might give us all a bit more ammo next time they need to be confronted. Please make this go viral. Peace.

[Uben]

1. You been at DU a long time!

Since it didn't start up till January of 2001, you must be Skinner's dad or sumpin!

[KAMouflage]

3. Jan 2001?

Hm. I suppose you are right. I could have swore I came to the site shortly after the election debacle. Perhaps it was a few months later. I know it was the one place that kept me sane after the coup.

[Uben]

6. Me, too....

I think it actually started on Jan. 20th, 2001, the day Doofus took office. I was here reading shortly afterwards, cuz I needed somewhere to go to cuss and discuss the stolen election. I don't know what it would have been like without DU, but I do know it would have been a lot worse!

There is a way to tell what number you were as far as memberships, but I don't recall how to do it.

[CanonRay]

2. I make it a point to NOT say "under God"

[AtheistCrusader]

35. I have since kindergarten.

Dunno why, just did. Never bought into the 'security camera in the sky' thing, and my parents, thankfully, didn't press the point.

No one ever gave me flak for it, because I guess I didn't make a big deal out of it.

:hi:

[Greyskye]

53. Same here. But I caught hell for it from classmates.

And the teachers didn't give a crap. The joys of growing up in a small town.

I didn't grow up in a religious family. So my parents helped me come up with an answer to the question I was constantly asked: "what religion are you?". "Non-denominational" seemed to work best. Wasn't really a lie, and had enough syllables to sound official to grade school kids.

[AtheistCrusader]

56. Ah, that sucks.

Nice tip on the 'non-denominational' thing, though I always assumed that was sorta christian, but no specific church. Not catholic, not protestant, not baptist, etc.

[Greyskye]

57. non-denominational

That's the general meaning, you're right. At that point, in a small town when I was in grade school, that was pretty much all the religion that I knew about. In my head, it meant that I wasn't part of any kind of organized religion. :D

[izquierdista]

4. Interesting find

Must have been some liberals involved with it, since they featured the African-American colored kid so prominently. That and showing the statistic about the number of people deluded by fear.

(Edited to reflect 1950 vocabulary)

[humbled_opinion]

5. LOL none of you obviously lip read...

Under God is quite clearly mouthed in this retouched video. Nice try though. Remember, just as much as it is your right not to say the words, it is my right to say them if I desire, so your tolerance of me is much appreciated.

[KAMouflage]

7. Sarcasm?

Not sure if you are joking or not but I took it directly from an old videotape put out by Reader's Digest called, "The Fun and the Feel of the Fifties." If they knew it existed, I'm sure they would want to burn all the copies.

[MineralMan]

8. Wrong. I'm a lip reader, and nobody said "under God."

That's the way I learned the pledge, in 1950, in kindergarten. I still say it that way.

I don't think anyone asked you not to include "under God" when you say the pledge. Just, please, don't shout the phrase. It's unseemly.

[humbled_opinion]

13. Unseemly to shout in the name of God?

Maybe its unseemly if I shout it in your face with my bad morning breath but otherwise its perfectly fine to give God a shout out.

[MineralMan]

16. OK, then. You're one of those people who

put strong extra emphasis on the phrase "under God," when you say the Pledge of Allegiance? Why? What are you trying to say to me, standing next to you? I don't include the phrase, because I'm an atheist and saying that would be a lie from me. It would make the pledge a lie. So, I say it as it was written, not as it was modified in 1954. I say it as I learned it, without reference to religion, because this country does not have an official religion.

But, you, standing next to me, over-emphasize the "under God" phrase. What am I to take from that? Do you disapprove of my atheism? Do you want to send me a message?

Include the phrase if that's your choice. But just say it in the same voice you say the rest of the Pledge. To do otherwise is a threat to me, since I believe in our Constitution, which removes religious tests from all citizenship or qualification for public office.

Don't threaten me, please. I don't respond well to that.

And, nobody mouthed the words "under God" in that video. They wouldn't have thought of it, since the phrase was not added until four years later.

[humbled_opinion]

17. "Those People...?

Did you just call me "those People"? What does that mean, who is the intolerant one?

[MineralMan]

19. That's moronic. If you are someone who joins others in

over-emphasizing the phrase, then you are one of those people who do that. Am I intolerant? Only intolerant of people who choose to threaten me with their religion. I'm very intolerant of those people.

[TheEuclideanOne]

25. I think that it means one of "those people" with poor observational skills.

You really saw them saying "Under God"? How old are you....97? It is pretty easy to read their lips and it is pretty clear that they aren't saying that. Geez, they are speaking very slowly and there is practically a close up of their faces. You might want to drink a cup of coffee and watch the video again. It is not a huge mystery or even an interesting contest.

My guess is that you are probably bored and just wanted to debate whether it should be said or not. You know, there are many good hobbies.... coin collecting... stamp collecting.... running with scissors. You could take one of them up instead. :)

[tekisui]

10. Are you serious? You do know that 'under god' was added later, right?

Unless the kids were psychics, they were not saying under god.

[l.riviere]

11. Actually the original was a little different than this one;

I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

[Lugnut]

24. Those are the words as I learned them.

I started elementary school in 1951.

[tinrobot]

12. That's not what I saw.

I do character animation for a living. I have a very keen eye for lipsync. The whole track is a few frames out of sync, but the kids are not mouthing "under god"

[humbled_opinion]

14. Ah the old out of sync....

excuse for retouching videos, nice.

[KAMouflage]

15. This is why I hardly ever post to DU

Please don't impugn my integrity. If you aren't convinced, I'll send you the original videotape in the mail and you can decide for yourself.

[humbled_opinion]

18. No need...

My opinion is already made up. Can't be changed now.

[hootinholler]

20. Because it's so um

Humble?

:shrug:

-Hoot

[gtar100]

22. LOL.

subtle.

[fascisthunter]

26. oy

and you are wrong

[billh58]

30. Typical

bible-thumping attitude from a self-important and condescending religious hypocrite. I don't push my rational and scientific agenda on you and "your kind," so why do you think it's okay to shout out your irrational "belief system" in my presence? Are you one of those who goes door-to-door selling a fantasy afterlife like brooms and encyclopedia sets?

And while I'm sure that you will have some clever biblical answer, please tell it to the talking snake, or a pregnant virgin, as I'm not really interested.

[rhett o rick]

21. Please dont let "these types" of posts disrupt your thread. Best to just ignore. nt

[Raster]

64. Thank you for posting and thank you for being a long-time DU member.

[tekisui]

23. You are tedious. 'Under God' wasn't added until 1954. NO ONE

said Under God until then. You are being intentionally obtuse.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

[keith the dem]

47. Thank you for a bit of sanity.

[Shanti Mama]

62. Thanks for this info.

I started grade school in '58, with "under god" as part of my daily school routine. Didn't know it had been so recently added at the time.

What about "in god we trust" on money? but, then again, I guess I can look that up in my spare time. :-)

[enough]

65. Right. I was in first grade in 1950, and we all had to learn the new version in '54.

It sounded weird to me back then, and it still does.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

42. Try to argue with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgAWaVJeHak

[mmonk]

59. Thanks for the in sync one.

[Peacetrain]

55. June 14, 1954... Flag Day.. Eisenhower offically added Under God to the Pledge ..

[Towlie]

31. If the audio is out of sync, can it be repaired? Can someone make an improved video?

If so, while you're at it, add a title before the beginning that says "Recited by schoolchildren on December 7, 1950 on the eve of the Korean War." to explain the reference to World War III at the end.

This is a valuable video and needs to be spread around the Internet.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

43. Right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgAWaVJeHak

[Towlie]

60. Awesome! Good work, and thanks!

[tinrobot]

46. Could just be a YouTube thing

A lot of audio loses sync on that site.

[fascisthunter]

27. nope... you are wrong

[AtheistCrusader]

37. Yeah, let me just hop in my time machine and go back before they added 'under god' to hear people

say 'under god' in some sort of crazy time paradox.

This video is from BEFORE the Congress, prompted by the Knights of Columbus, vandalized our national motto, and the Pledge.

It's 'One nation, Indivisible', and 'e pluribus unum', but you knew that already, troll. :hide:

[WhoIsNumberNone]

40. Obviously you don't either-

I do a lot of synching sound to video for my job, and I am pretty good at making sure the right words are matched up to the lips. In this clip the sound is running 1/2 to 3/4 seconds behind the video, but it is clear to me that they are saying "-one nation, indivisible-"

I don't see how you can get "under God" out of those mouths- The phrase "under God" doesn't look anything like "one nation" or "indivisible".

[zeemike]

49. I grew up in the 50s and that is exactly how I learned it.

And even in Catholic school we said it that way.
And this pledge has always been intended as a pledge to a secular government....one nation, indivisible, with liberty and JUSTICE FOR ALL.
But it is interesting to note that when God was added is when we started down the path to being divided....the irony of it all....it is literally true that the adding of God destroyed the indivisable....

[annabanana]

52. That's the way I learned it when I went to grade school..

How old are you? You must be too yound to rmemeber. Go ask your parents (or grandparents) the "Under God" was added during the Red Scare of the mid 50's...

[winyanstaz]

54. Dear humbled....

I worked with the deaf for six years and I am a lip reader.
You are either blind or a liar.

[johnnie]

61. Fail

Learn history.

[AlbertCat]

63. You can say "under god" iffen you want

But frankly I'm OVER god....way over and sick of "him".

[l.riviere]

9. The Pledge

Actually the original was a little different than this one; it's too bad you couldn’t find footage of the children using the Bellamy salute.

[fascisthunter]

28. I Just Looked that Up

Bellamy Salute:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

The Pledge of Allegiance

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Section 4 of the Flag Code states:

The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute."


http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

[The Wizard]

29. One nation under Zeus

It drives fundies crazy, which is really a short trip.
So I guess all the kids who stopped pledging before Under God was added are destined for an eternity in hell.

[Mari333]

the truth will set you free

Run time: 00:26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jALTh4IfGFY   Posted on YouTube: November 17, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 17, 2009 By DU Member: Mari333 Views on DU: 3782

 
whats funny is that it upsets some DUers on here, which means the truth must really upset theocrats.
thanks for posting. Im sending this all over the place.

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[Boudica the Lyoness]

33. Good post.

Thanks for doing this. From another long time member and infrequent poster. Peace to you as well.

[demigoddess]

34. that's the way I remember it!!!

hallelujah that not everybody has forgotten.

[change_notfinetuning]

36. Now, if they'd only have said "with liberty and justice for the rich", it would

have been perfect.

Question for the atheists on DU: When nearing the peak of sexual pleasure, do atheists scream "No god! No god! No god!" I mean, you wouldn't really say, you know, "Oh God!", now would you? Just wondering.

[tekisui]

38. Here ya go:

[change_notfinetuning]

39. LOL, but maybe I didn't want to know.

[zeemike]

51. I thought it would be something like Oh Darwin, Darwin.

Or for the righties, Oh Ayn, Ayn.

[MineralMan]

41. Why would we do that? I generally refer to the name of my

partner in those situations. Indeed, it would be the partner that is the source of the pleasure, not some gray-bearded deity, would it not?

Baiting atheists is rarely successful, you know.

[change_notfinetuning]

44. Lighten up. For all anyone knows, I may be an atheist and a comedian. n/t

[MineralMan]

45. Whenever someone tells me to lighten up after I object

to their insult, I know I was right. Telling people to lighten up after you've insulted them and they've called you on it is the mark of someone who has no respect for others. I am an atheist. I've been one for decades. I've heard those insults hundreds of times. I've called people on them just as many times, and I've heard "Lighten up" from about half of those who have made the bigoted statements.

For all anyone knows, I have a well-developed sense of humor. As far as you know, you're baiting atheists.

[change_notfinetuning]

48. No, I know I'm not baiting atheists. Think what you want. This has been

bizarre. Insult? Sorry, I'm baffled.

[MineralMan]

50. Are you baffled? Well, I'll explain it to you:

Folks come here all the time and ask the same question you did. They also repeat the silly statement that there are no atheists in foxholes. It's meant as an insult to atheists. It's meant to say, "Atheists have no god, so they can't express themselves when having sex" or "Atheists don't really not believe in deities. Put them in a foxhole and they'll start praying."

Both of those statement are insults to any atheist. Now, if I said that Christians had to pray before they could get an erection or that they were cowards who had to pray for their courage, that would be an insult to Christians. But, you see, I'd never say such a thing, because I know it's not true.

There are, indeed, atheists in foxholes, and atheists don't need a deity when having sex to express their pleasure. Atheists aren't just playing at their disbelief. Most have been religious at some point or other during their lives. Atheism is usually a decision made when religion is no longer believable.

So, you make one of the stock insults towards atheists. Maybe you didn't know that it's often repeated as an insult. You're fairly new here. Now, my friend, you know. I trust you won't repeat such nonsense again. It's not funny. It's not funny to use stereotypical statements about belief systems. The people you're joking about don't think it's funny at all.

[mmonk]

58. Thanks for posting it.

America needs a reality check.