Dennis Kucinich Explains Why He Voted Against The Health Care Bill

[democracy1st]

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[ProleNoMore]

1. I Stand With Dennis Kucinich

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[Oregone]

2. Dennis and the NOW are traitors to the Democratic Agenda

Its obvious they value a liberal agenda over our party's.

[ProleNoMore]

4. Dennis Is A Patriot Unlike The DLCers That Cater To Corporate Oligarchs

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[truedelphi]

36. Me thinks that you and Oregone are saying the same thing

But misunderstanding one another's semantics.

[ProleNoMore]

5. The Democratic Party Is A Traitor To Its Own Democratic Party Platform

Which supports HCR emphatically.

[Oregone]

6. No, that was the old Democratic Party

This one is kicking ass and taking names in Afghanistan

[clear eye]

11. ??? When did you stop advocating single payer, and start supporting the Pelosi bill? n/t

[Oregone]

12. When the DLC cut me a million dollar check

I cashed in and sold out with the Democratic leaders. But, on the flip side, the golf club is to die for and tea time with Nancy is superb.


They say Im not allowed to be sarcastic anymore

[Hutzpa]

16. You've just become my fav person

:rofl:

[Oregone]

17. I'm only going to disappoint you

But thanks :)

[Hutzpa]

19. Not if I top that 1 mill. n/t

[clear eye]

23. I would have gotten the sarcasm in your 1st post if others weren't saying the same thing in all

seriousness.

In fact there are whole threads out for revenge against Kucinich for betraying the Party on this.

[Enthusiast]

27. Yeah, the pretenders

actually say it and mean it. Unreal!

[Dr.Phool]

40. Got me too.

[truedelphi]

37. You do remember that we're friends, I hope.

I mean, I am hoping if you get some DLC royal treatment in a nearby Wine Country resort, that you'll send your limo over to pick me up.

Don't forget the little people, is what I'm sayin'.

[theFrankFactor]

55. You're killin' me over here!

LOL!

[ThomCat]

21. What does our party value?

That has always been the big question. So far, the only answer is reelection and more campaign donations.

DK is definitely NOT a traitor. If anything, our party is full of traitors to the principles of our constituents, that DK pretty accurately represents.

And NOW is not party of the Democratic Party. They represent the interests of women. Perhaps you noticed that this steaming pile of crap of a bill pushes us towards making abortion unavailable for most women. It also excludes a lot of aspects of a standard GYN visit. So apparently you think only Men need health care.

[Oregone]

22. You misconstrue my position

"So apparently you think only Men need health care"

No, just white Christian men. Look, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We need a win!

[ThomCat]

31. I hate that really stupid, shallow expression.

No, we don't need a 'win' if it is going to help anti-choice activists, hurt women, enshrine discrimination against women, be a massive corporate giveaway, SET BACK the real goal of cutting health care costs for consumers, and make real access to real health care for everyone harder to achieve in the future.

A win just for the sake of a win treats this as if it is a Game. It isn't a game. This is millions of people still suffering and dying, and billions of our Borrowed tax dollars thrown in to make it pretty for the insurance companies.

Nobody is letting the "perfect" be the enemy of the good. But we are expecting "Good enough" instead of cheering these very seriously flawed backward programs the insurance industry is willing to allow us to have.

[Postman]

24. "Our" agenda??

Dennis Kucinich is a REAL Democrat not a corporate shill like many current Democrats and all of the Republicans...

[Enthusiast]

26. Actually the Democratic agenda

was to enact a "good" health care bill.

[urgk]

30. Man, I hope that's sarcasm.

I have no use for a Democratic agenda that isn't liberal. What good would that do?

(edit - now that I read the rest of the thread, I see that it most definitely is. Carry on :) )

[fascisthunter]

32. nah... the corporate sellouts you cheer lead are hurting the Party

and the country by extension.

[fascisthunter]

33. wrong place

[Dr.Phool]

39. Whose party?

This is the base our so called "leaders" keep forgetting about.

[totodeinhere]

44. Your comment is very telling.

You admit that the Dem leaders are not pursuing a "liberal agenda." That's what's wrong with things right now. Obama needs to grow a pair and give the party the liberal agenda that it's base wants. We might not have this much of a majority in Congress after the next election, so the time is now to pursue a liberal agenda.

[Prana69]

63. ah, hello?

The poster is being sarcastic.....

Yes, that is exactly the point being made.

But it was funny when s/he did it.

[Lorien]

67. Dennis and NOW are DEMOCRATS. The Republican agenda is what the DLC

promotes. The DLC was created to destroy the Democratic party from within. If you stand with them, then you stand with the GOP.

[ProleNoMore]

3. Proof Positive That The Obama Administration Stabbed America In the Back

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[earcandle]

7. Dennis is daring and honest and civil with all. Thanks for the representation!

[Lautremont]

8. He makes a lot of sense.

I understand that there are people who want and need whatever small scrap of help this bill actually offers; but the fact is once you've given up as much as has been given up with it, it's that much harder - maybe impossible - to ever get it back, and in that way millions upon millions of people now and yet to be born are getting shafted and tossed onto the scrap heap. Kucinich was quite right to do what he did.

[Bumblebee]

9. great that he is doing it on FOX, isn't it?

:sarcasm:

[BREMPRO]

10. so DK is using FOX as his soapbox now- he's a little too cozy with Greta

his single minded obsession with single payer at the expense of a comprehensive bill that can actually pass congress is high minded idealism, and completely counterproductive to health care reform efforts. I admire him for fighting the fight, but even after it was clear he didn't have the votes for state exemption for single payer he then grandstands on Fox News of all places against a bill that insures 40 million more uninsured and has cost controls on delivery, that has subsidies based on income to max at a reasonable 11%, a PUBLIC OPTION that can be expanded, and that will save the budget money over 10 years according to the CBO. This interview was hard to watch as he mis-characterized the bill and sounded like a republican obstructionist. If he runs for president again, maybe some confused teabaggers will vote for him and get him up from 2 to 3% in polling.

[izquierdista]

28. Comprehensive

So comprehensive that it covers EVERYBODY with exactly diddly-squat.

[timzi]

48. The House Bill's Marginal Reforms Contain So Many Poison Pills

that it should be rejected out of hand. K&R - Go Dennis.

[rudy23]

35. That just so happens to be the exact same language used in the other 50 anti-DK posts this week.

Sounds like somebody is trying to brand Dennis because somebody knows that Dennis is right, and we're in danger of rallying behind a true Democrat instead of the ones that only act like they share our values during campaign season.

[taggline]

58. Bullshit

[Hutzpa]

13. This says Mox News

DK cannot be on there, WHAT? he is on FOX????? DENNIS? nahhhh....

[Howzit]

14. Forcing you to buy insurance guarantees the flow of money, but does not guarantee

the dispensation of care.

A captive market is great for insurance companies and those who collect tax revenues, but how does it stop the practice of disallowing claims or the substitution of inappropriate treatment?

[ProgressOnTheMove]

15. I can't help thinking SNL when I see her, to be fair she did allow DK to speak some of the time. +1

[Hutzpa]

18. Me three

I kept waiting for the mouth to move to the right or is it the left....:evilgrin:

[doc03]

20. He doesn't get what he wants so he votes against

his own party. If you want get costs down support the Wyden Amendment. My employer and Union offers just one insurance plan. I think we should have a choice of providers, that would make them compete for customers.

[Postman]

25. What about the anti-trust exemption?

How do you have competition when you can collude on prices?

[cascadiance]

38. Sounds like what the stupes for the Stupak ammendment were threatening to do!

Why not criticize them for putting UNDEMOCRATIC amendments into this bill instead of Kucinich being as firm as many of his supporters are for advocating parts in the bill that are more supportive of Democratic Party principles.

If one compromises too much to "pass a bill", at some point you become no better than those you are "compromising" with.

It's the Stupak people that should be told NO on their ammendment, not Dennis!

[thesquanderer]

29. The last 40 seconds is the most important part

He hasn't given up on allowing states to create their own single-payer options. Go Dennis!

[fascisthunter]

34. A Sane voice in a government run by corporations for corporations

[Equality 7-2521]

41. Dennis a Right Winger

I'm shocked by his vote. Where did this come from?
http://bni-lwp.blogspot.com/
http://bni-lwp.blogspot.com/

[ooglymoogly]

43. You will not get any kudos on this board

for lying. You are either a liar or a total nincompoop who knows nothing.

[SHRED]

65. You are way off

[ooglymoogly]

42. I also stand with Dennis Kucinich on this and I do not stand with

O who has manipulated this bill into the boondoggle that Dennis so forcefully speaks of, calling a spade a spade. I am glad Dennis defended the middle as what it in truth really is;
That is, as shown by every pole, what the majority of folks in this country think and not as the wingnuts pretend and try to define it as. O has been positioning himself on the right from the moment he became president and no longer thinks he needs the support of his grass roots and that's a fact and that is NOT "a good thing". This bill is a farce and will in its present form doom democrats in the coming elections. But then that appears to be what Rahm and the DLC are working toward by recruiting pugs with a D after their name To join the growing list of the E street gang calling themselves bluedogs.

[katty]

45. DK no need to explain....you are a true patriot for the common good

[emulatorloo]

46. that footage looks like Fox is holding him hostage in a basement somewhere n/t

[swilton]

47. I Stand With Dennis on This -

:kick:

[go west young man]

53. Me too. Fuck the insurance companies.

Dump the dinosaurs.

[tinrobot]

49. Votes with Republicans and explains it to Fox viewers.

Kucinich needs to explain his vote to Democrats, not Republicans.

Just sayin'

[unaffiliated liberal]

51. Democrats woulnd't understand.

They're too busy working on a bi-partisan (i.e. Republican) health care bill.

[tinrobot]

52. So Republicans need to understand?

All they understand is Kucinich represents one more vote for the status quo - and a Democratic defeat.

Republicans love Kucinich as much as they loved Nader in 2000.

[unaffiliated liberal]

57. At some point a bill that

increases insurance company profits, reduces choice (insurance and reproductive), cuts medicare, mandates coverage with penalties for those who disobey, and completely ignores single-payer in favor of a "public option" that winds up insuring only a small percentage of the currently uninsured becomes more of a Republican bill than something "Democrats" would or should support.

So Republicans actually hate Kucinich for attempting to screw-up the royal shafting they're tricking you into believing is "health care reform".

Wake up. We'd all be better off if the current abortion of a health care bill fails. The Democrats have disaffected their base while the Republicans are energizing theirs. Even if their base is the wacko lunatic fringe. Come the 2010 elections there is going to be hell to pay for the utter failure this bill represents, not to mention the many other disappointments the Democratic majority in congress and the Democratic administration in the White House represent so far. IMO.

[taggline]

59. BINGO!!

[tinrobot]

61. Throwing out the good in favor of perfection

The House bill :

Eliminates denial of coverage based on pre-existing conditions
Provides subsidies for those who can't afford insurance
Taxes the rich to pay for it
Provides a public option (limited, but it's a foot in the door that can be expanded)
Places limits on how much insurance companies can charge
...and more

It's not perfect, but it's a good start. Throwing out this opportunity in favor of perfection will simply throw out this opportunity. The last opportunity we had was 16 years ago. If you and Kucinich want to wait a few more decades for the next opportunity, don't ask me to join you.

[unaffiliated liberal]

50. Kucinich for President

Oh, sorry, too late for that. We're stuck with the bi-partisan team that's letting the health care industry define health care reform.

Reminds me of the way the Bush administration wrote energy policy, and we all know where that led us.

Kudos to Dennis. The best man definitely didn't win.

[stevietheman]

54. There's no excuse for a Democrat to vote against this legislation. n/t

n/t

[SHRED]

66. Party at all cost eh?

[RufusTFirefly]

56. K & R for DK. I stand with Dennis. n/t

[taggline]

60. AT THE AND OF IT ALL...

Follow the Fucking Money, Peeps...It has been, and always will be...about the money...greed, mendacity, avarice...Help Us Big Daddy!!

[FarLeftFist]

62. Every political party sells out.

[SHRED]

64. Dennis haters abound here

Here is a guy truly for us and people post shit like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8750651&mesg_id=8750684

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