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SLSmith Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:44 PM
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Boehner & Pence Announce Republican Health Care Alternative Proposal
 
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:01 PM
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1. They should have advanced their plan back when
they had both houses of Congress and the White House.

Don't believe them. It's just a distraction.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:16 PM
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5. What plan?
The closest Boner got was something to effect of States taking responsibilities, small businesses getting together and forming, I suppose, a co-op type system, oh, and Junk Lawsuits. Would love to see the insurance companies open their books on the cost and income of medical malpractice insurance. I think the Doctors are getting scammed like the rest of us when it comes to insurance cost.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:50 PM
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8. look @ post 7 ... that is the plan
n/t
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elmerdem Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:09 PM
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2. they don't have a
fucking bill on that stupid website. They have a fucking summary of their ideas. Great legislative work for the American people by the party that can't even put together an alternative healthcare plan, but after 9 months of discussion the best they can do is a 'summary of their ideas'.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:45 PM
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7. 1 page of stuff .... nothing they got nothing
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 03:46 PM by Botany


"Nothing we got nothing." Yukon Cornelius.

This is their plan ..... all of it. :rofl:

What Americans want are common-sense, responsible solutions that address the rising cost of health care and other major problems. In the national Republican address on Saturday, October 31, 2009, House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) discussed Republicans’ plan for common-sense health care reform our nation can afford. Boehner’s address emphasized four common-sense reforms that will lower health care costs and expand access to quality care without a government takeover of our nation’s health care system that kills jobs, raises taxes on small businesses, or cuts Medicare for seniors:

Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.
Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.
For the full text of Leader Boehner’s address, click HERE. For more information about these and some of the other common-sense health care reforms proposed by Republicans, please visit the links below. The Republican health care substitute to be offered during floor debate on Speaker Pelosi's government takeover of health care will incorporate all or part of the following bills:

Empowering Patients First Act (Republican Study Committee Health Care Reform Bill, introduced July 30, 2009)
Improving Health Care for All Americans Act (Shadegg Health Care Reform Bill, introduced July 14, 2009)
Medical Rights & Reform Act (Kirk-Dent Health Care Reform Bill, introduced June 16, 2009)
Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, Timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act (Gingrey medical liability reform bill, introduced June 6, 2009)
Small Business Health Fairness Act of 2009 (Johnson small business health plans bill, introduced May 21, 2009)
Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act of 2009 (Castle Wellness & Prevention Bill, introduced July 31, 2009)
Improved Employee Access to Health Insurance Act of 2009 (Deal auto-enrollment bill, introduced October 15, 2009)
Health Insurance Access for Young Workers and College Students Act of 2009 (Blunt bill to improve health insurance coverage of dependents, introduced October 21, 2009)
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:12 PM
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3. How do they even know their plan is different from the Dem plan if they haven't read it?
Some poor intern may have gone to all the trouble of following Boner around, grabbing his cocktail napkins and typing up his scribbles for nothing.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:15 PM
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4. transcript for the politically hard of hearing
Boener: The democrats plan is lie, big government lie, strawman lie, 1990 pages,lie, budget lie, lie,lie and lie. Our plan: lie, blatant lie, lie, lie, lie, same old lies, lie, new lie, lie.
Pense: The democrats plan is lie, big government lie, strawman lie, 1990 pages, lie,budget lie, lie,lie and lie. Our plan: lie,blatant lie, lie, lie, lie, same old lies, lie, new lie, false indignant lie, website full of lies.

This is all a big last minute delay tactic and political ploy cooked up by insurance lobbyists to pretend the GOP has any reasonable workable plan, and so they can then say that the Democrats didn't listen to them or if it fails to live up to it's promise that theirs would have worked better. BUNK. They have been obstructing the process all along and this is more of the same.


nothing, too late.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 03:21 PM
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6. True, Boner spend about a minute on "The Plan"
The other stupid, what's his name, only bashed the Dems plan. Gawd they are so obvious. Too bad our media skims over all this nonsense from the R's. They even act like It's a Plan.....
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:01 PM
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9. Does it have numbers in it?
Like their "budget" didn't.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:04 PM
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10. yes it does see post 7
number one, number two, number three, and number four.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:46 PM
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12. Botany, you sure know how to get to the bottom line
on those difficult repub bill!! LOL
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 04:39 PM
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11. Pence says.....
........"you can go to health! That's the GOP plan!"
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 06:23 PM
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13. 1,990 pages!
....with something written on them! Unlike the Repug plan.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:39 PM
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14. Pay more, don't sue, get sick less, if you do get sick die immediately.
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Giterdun Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:58 PM
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15. None of it holds water
I agree and my first thought is why have they waited all this time to reveal any sort of plan, since they DO admit that health care is long past due for reform.

Concerning their claim about the need for tort reform,38 states already have tort reform, are the last 12 really going to make that big of a difference?

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

Now google the insurer's in your state then in surrounding states, they are pretty much the same companies

So let's see, if Ohio, Ky and Ill are complaining about the high cost of health care, IN would benefit with better prices by allowing companies from these states to practice in IN. Which companies is it that are offering these better premiums? If Aetna, Anthem Blue Cross, Humana One, United Health One, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Cigna, Kaiser Permanente, etc, are ALL selling premiums ALL across America, what more are we to expect? Where are the savings going to come from since they are all across America already. Who is going to bring the prices down?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008453670_healthcost01.html?syndication=rss

"We're not getting what we pay for," says Dr. Denis Cortese, president and chief executive of the Mayo Clinic. "It's just that simple."

"Our health-care system is fraught with waste," says Dr. Gary Kaplan, chairman and CEO of Seattle's cutting-edge Virginia Mason Medical Center. As much as half of the $2.3 trillion spent today does nothing to improve health, he says.

Not only is U.S. health care inefficient and wasteful, says Kaiser Permanente Chief Executive George Halvorson, much of it is dangerous."

"There is more than enough money in the system," said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who runs the Center for Health Transformation in the nation's capital. "We just are not spending it well."

http://decaturdaily.com/stories/23438.html

"The center says on its Web site that 40 percent of questionable Medicaid claims in New York state may be related to fraud, waste or abuse — costing as much as $18 billion a year. Fraud would be easy to trace and stop with electronic record-keeping, the center says.

It wants every American to have an electronic health record within four years — costing perhaps $15 billion a year but saving at least $80 billion a year."

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$80B per year savings just with electronic records.

it has been reported that;

"Outright fraud — criminal activity — accounts for as much as 10 percent of all health care spending. That is more than $200 billion every year. Medicare alone could account for as much as $40 billion a year. (Read about our latest CHT Press book, Stop Paying the Crooks, edited by Jim Frogue.)"

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What is really disturbing, is that Newt and the Republicans admit health care has been in dire need for reform, dating all the way to 1993, in order to curb cost and and fraud, saving Americans privately and publicly, yet, for these 16 years they have done absolutely squat.

They admit that if they would of curbed the fraud and implemented electronic records we could of been saving $280B per year, so why didn't they?

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59P0L320091026

"Healthcare system wastes up to $800 billion a year"

PER YEAR, I believe this is just $400B short of what they are saying this entire bill would cost over TEN YEARS.

What am I missing? Let get this right, if I can, simply by eliminating waste and fraud, we could cover everyone for everything and every one would still profit "greatly"?

In 2 years you would save $1.6 T, which pays for the entire bill over 10 years, is this right? So the next 8 years would see a $6.8 TRILLION in savings?

Seriously, what am I missing, don't be afraid to be brutal, tell me Steve you dumb ass, your missing... your too simplistic... your leaving out...

Are our legislatures aware of this? surely not, for they wouldn't allow us to lose that much capital per year would they, they wouldn't know that just by eliminating waste and fraud would pay for full coverage for all and make medicare functionable and not clean it up would they

How long did the Republicans hold complete control over Congress along with the White House and how much waste is there and how much could of been saved while they did nothing?
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hmorehead Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:32 PM
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16. 3,000+ times, eh, Pence. I guess you did at least read the bill.
And that's the wrost thing you can say? "Shall"? Whose money is in your pocket?
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