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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 02:59 PM
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Toxic gas attack at Embajada Brasil, Honduras
 
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Toxic gas used against assembled group at Brazil embassy.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:03 PM
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1. "air samples taken in the embassy's surroundings had high concentrations of hydrogen cyanide"
"air samples taken in the embassy's surroundings had high concentrations of hydrogen cyanide"


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Israeli Firms Sell Toxins to Honduras Putschists
http://insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2009/september/27/ca02.htm


New York - Honduran Foreign Minister Patricia Rodas denounced that two Israeli companies supplied putschists with the toxic gases ... " ... the chemicals and arms have been supplied by Alfacom and Intercom companies, owned by Israeli Yehuda Leitner,"

... nearly 80 people have had headaches, vomiting, diarrhoeas, and nose bleeding over the last hours.

Dr. Mauricio Castellano stated that air samples taken in the embassy's surroundings had high concentrations of hydrogen cyanide, which obstructs breathing when it gets in contact with iron levels in the blood.

Rodas, who is attending the 64th General Assembly of the United Nations, called for the international community to send a medical mission to her country to examine those poisoned.....
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:13 PM
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2. You know, an Israeli company selling poison gas products is beyond sick
It is an abomination.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:19 PM
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3. What Israeli companies?
I know people don't care for "truth2power" when it comes to Israel, but what Israeli companies are supplying this supposed poison gas?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:36 PM
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4. In the OP: "" ... the chemicals and arms have been supplied by Alfacom and Intercom companies..."
Can't read?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:37 PM
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5. Those aren't Israeli companies.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 03:39 PM by Behind the Aegis
Can you read? Do you understand the difference between "Israeli company" and "company owned by an Israeli?"
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:46 PM
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6. In the post: "Alfacom and Intercom companies, owned by Israeli Yehuda Leitner,"
Can't read?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:48 PM
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7. You still can't read, can you? How sad for you.
If I own a company in Scotland, it is a company owned by an American, not an American owned company.

Plus I would love to know how a cell phone company provided "toxic" gas.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:08 PM
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8. You are correct.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:07 PM
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12. I am aware of his "history."
But it doesn't explain how a cell phone company and another, which I can't locate, are dealing in "toxic" gas.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:31 PM
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9. Just read the stuff. It says what it says, and I'm just saying it says what it says.
I don't need to know how to read to cut and paste :rofl:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:05 PM
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11. "I don't need to know how to read to cut and paste "
Which is obvious.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 04:32 PM
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19. Alfacom is a Honduran company
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 04:32 PM by oberliner
The guy who owns it is of Israeli descent, but he is a Honduran citizen.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 06:33 PM
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10. I would like to see some independent evidence that is was someting other than CN or CS
Those are typical riot gases. A true toxic gas is like Phosgene. There would be bodies all over the place. CS is still nasty stuff, which I can attest to by personal experience. But its not considered a WMD. Not saying what is going on in Honduras is right in anyway, but lets drop the poison gas nonsense.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:08 PM
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13. You have been here long enough...
...to know, when it comes to charges against Israel, no proof is needed; one only need say it, repeat it for it to be "truth2power."

http://www.alfacom.hn/
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:02 PM
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14. I was asking this same question before there was an Isreali angle
People running around claiming toxic/poison gas not realizing that WMDs are a VERY VERY big deal. CS is nasty stuff, had some doses of it myself, but its not a WMD.

There have been a couple of reports of people dieing from it in Honduras. Both from the same source and neither have been independently verified. I sure the blog poster means well, but one does not get exposed to CS and die the next day from pneumonia. However if you already have some medical conditions, CS could kill you with a heavy dose. All the symptoms described sound classically like CS.

I am not a fan of the current government in Honduras, nor deploying CS gas where there are embassies near by, but the hysteria over CS gas just makes those screaming it look like idiots.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 01:12 AM
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16. AP has it:
On Tuesday, the day after Zelaya’s return, baton-wielding soldiers used tear gas and water cannons to chase away thousands of his supporters outside the embassy in Tegucigalpa, Honduras’ capital.

Since then, the mission has been surrounded by police and soldiers. Zelaya and about 65 supporters inside accused authorities of temporarily cutting off water and electricity early in the week, and later said the government released an unidentified gas that caused headaches, nosebleeds and nausea.

Brazilian Chargé d’Affaires Francisco Catunda confirmed that Saturday: “Yes, it was released,” he said in a rare interview outside the building. “One of our officials felt it, felt symptoms.”

Supporters of Zelaya wept at a funeral Sunday for Wendy Elizabeth Avila, whom they said died of complications from inhaling tear gas.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20090928/NEWS/909280408/1052/RSS01&source=rss
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:28 PM
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18. Sounds like classic CS.
The difference between CS/CN and a WMD gas like phosgene is huge...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 12:58 AM
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15. Tell that to Wendy Avila's family who buried their daughter today. n/t
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 08:27 PM
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17. The key is that CS is not a WMD while a toxic/poison gas like phosgene is
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