The Ed Show - Mad-As-Hell Doctors Dr. Paul Hochfeld

[Joanne98]

Run time: 04:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FowLf6hdUc   Posted on YouTube: September 21, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: September 21, 2009 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 1234

 

These doctors are on their way to DC in a bus. They need support.

[phaze33]

1. the problem is

1.how much is that / dont ask your doctor he does not know

2.what is the cost of malpractice and litigation?

3.if i have insurance the procedure that has no price till its
done is 100k and the insurance discount is 60 percent?

4. the bills i cant pay are collected from who and at which
rate the one they cant tell me the one for the insured or some
other number.

   to be real i confuse myself when i try to articulate the
issue.please accept my poorly typed ambiguous ramblings.
 

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

3. The cost of malpractice and litigation IS CHARGED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES!!!

DOH!!! Doctors can't practice (just like patients can't be treated) because INSURANCE COMPANIES DICTATE THE COSTS, doing what most greedy tyrants do, making the price above the means of either. They are worse than mafia!!!

#1 makes no sense
#3 makes no sense
#4 bill collectors will send you never-ending notices and call you

Any other questions?

[Why Syzygy]

7. Try a little harder. nt

[Why Syzygy]

8. Welcome to DU.

This is what I think you're saying ..

1. The doctor can't tell you how much his charges are. The girl at the billing desk will do that. Most likely, they have a computer program to calculate charges to give you a 'bid'. Insurance coverage is a factor.

2. Doctors admit many of the tests and procedures they do are to cover their behinds against litigation. The necessity for that practice costs all of us.

3. What does it really cost???

4. If you can't pay for services (not covered by insurance), does the collection department/agency give you the discount insurance rate, or are the fees bumped back up to patient pay level?

How did I do?

:hi: Stick around. It gets easier.

[phaze33]

10. I think i will

I feel like there is at least one person who got what i was trying to say.

Although I still cant get an answer about cost before hand doctors office personnel come standard with things like that's billed by vendor x or provider y we don't know how much a cholesterol screening costs we only send out 15 a day. That will be billed by the lab. by the way you will get a separate bill for the phlebotomy (I think that means the person who drew the blood was a subcontractor) .

I think maybe the lack of working groups to make a standard single payment for service rendered with outsource cost covered by primary is part of the problem.


Further more i feel like i should be in another link for this topic this one feels quiet. But my vast experience (all 4 messages posted)causes me to doubt the voracity of my instinct.

[Why Syzygy]

11. Health forum

gets a lot of action

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=222

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

2. Yup! They do need our support. Even the most "conservative" is among them because,...

,...even the most "conservative" GETS the 'profiteering off human ills' goal of the health insurance industry is just, plain GROSS!

I will acknowledge, though, that I am anti-profiteering insurance, altogether because, even after nearly every citizen was required to get auto insurance (which was suppose to reduce costs for all, according to the "god's" dictates about market/economy), it's beyond comprehension how much a young man must pay to be a 'legally' insured driver. IOW, that profiteering insurance industry did NOT play by the "god's" dictates about market/economy because they were able to take advantage of common citizens. The TRUTH IS,...all insurance industries ALWAYS WILL take advantage because they are not built upon morals or human decency/dignity or generosity,...they do not sell a gadget,...they wager on human suffering, FOR PROFIT, PERIOD!

I reject privatizing services concerning the BASIC human condition, otherwise called "human rights". Anything material beyond food, clothing, shelter and health,...I am all for capitalizing because anything beyond those are just "STUFF", material items outside maintaining the health and sustenance of human beings, outside "human rights". I

f government is worth ANYTHING, it is worth guaranteeing BASIC HUMAN CONDITIONS such that each citizen is ABLE to be a participant of his/her own governance.

[phaze33]

4. its not a liberal or conservative thing

I have been round and round with hospitals doctors and insurance.first with my child who needed 2 bone marrow transplants and several other costly procedures before she was 2. Then again when I was hurt at work,and was fired when unable to work and needed surgery to function even nominally.

In my daughters case the insurance set up an agreement with the doctors hospital and all other necessary resources for a successful transplant and one year of after care for a single pre determined price. I was glad that i was paying the premiums. The value added from simply having someone to demand a deal before the service was billed was a big weight of me. then it was bonus when they promptly paid all venders concerned and my daughter is now in her 5th year of remission.

In the case of my injury it was a complicated 4 way mess where the doctors could not see me unless my medical paid my medical said they excluded for on the job.my employer was exempt from workmans comp. and I had to little time for railroad benefits. The insurance for the company never denied that i was hurt just would not admit any liability.

when the insurance decided to pay anyhow. they filed a subrogation against any recovery from the railroad.and the net result is that the lawyers get 25 percent of the cost of my medical out of the money that was supposed to be for my retraining.

hrm maybe the problem is the lawyers.

[slipslidingaway]

5. knr nt

[Turborama]

6. Kick They do need support AND more media coverage!

Too late to rec but well worth kicking back up.

[Overseas]

9. Kick Kick Kick !! I agree with these doctors.

While I chanted other things at our healthcare rally yesterday, what I really wanted us all to chant was

OPEN UP MEDICARE
SINGLE PAYER NOW !!


It truly is far more efficient and equitable.

Those for-profit health insurance companies have hired CEOs they determined are worth 10-20 MILLION dollar annual salaries-- so I'm sure those super-brilliant execs worth so much money will be able to find a way for them to offer different kinds of insurance after we go to single payer.

They can devise Ultra-Deluxe Plans for the top 1%, where most of the wealth is.

And let the rest of us be treated simply and effectively with Single Payer, national health insurance.