Al Qaeda -- BBC Explains U.S. Created the Terrorist Network

[balantz]

Run time: 10:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJb_V4zm-4Y   Posted on YouTube: June 07, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: June 11, 2009 By DU Member: balantz Views on DU: 1763

 

[Why Syzygy]

1. bbbbut

they are in Iraq x(

[balantz]

2. They're everywhere!!!

:7

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. And they're under the bed!

[dgibby]

3. To paraphrase Pogo:

We have MADE the enemy and he is us!

[The Magistrate]

4. Some Useful Back-Ground, Sir, As The Headline Here Is Rather Mis-Leading....

http://www.spikemagazine.com/0205alquaeda.php

[balantz]

5. I modified the original "sensational" title of the video. n/t

[balantz]

6. Kick

[ihavenobias]

7. K & R n/t

[JohnyCanuck]

9. Brzezinsk's covert plot to fund the Mujahadeen

Interview of Zbigniew Brzezinski Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76*

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ("From the Shadows"), that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

SNIP

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic <integrisme>, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

* There are at least two editions of this magazine; with the perhaps sole exception of the Library of Congress, the version sent to the United States is shorter than the French version, and the Brzezinski interview was not included in the shorter version.

http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html

[balantz]

11. Thanks for posting that. n/t

[leveymg]

16. Thanks for posting that. Counterpunch is one of the most valuable sources for info

the rest of MSM doesn't want to allow you to consider.

[slay]

10. Al Qaeda = Al - CIA - da = OUR CIA DUH

wouldn't surprise me at all

[balantz]

12. Yet another "important info to know" video that wasn't posted on the front page. n/t

[JohnyCanuck]

13. Video of a recent interview with an MI5 whistleblower.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20356

[waiting for hope]

14. K&R - time to look at some hard truths here.

As was said up thread, we have seen the enemy and he is us. There needed to be a boogieman in order to get the war machine revved up - and know that pig is starving for more.

[puteulanus carolina]

15. Al Qaeda means "The Base" in Arabic...

But the origin of the name of the terrorist group isn't Islamic. It's English. It was derived by Americans from the DATA BASE of Islamicists US intelligence agencies had collected over the years.

Al Qaeda = Islamicist data base. Not a real organization, but rather a contrived one. An organization created in CIA computers.

[leveymg]

18. Welcome to DU. Reminds one of "The Trust", the group created by the Bolsheviks

to lure counter-revolutionary Whites back to Russia, where the predecessor of the KGB would disappear them.

Yes, al-Qaeda belongs to a long and distinguished line of political dirty-tricks. In fact, the head of the largest terrorist group fighting the Czar, the Battle Organization of the Socialist Revolutionary Party, a guy named Evno Azev (Yevno Azef), was on the payroll of the Okhrana, the Czarist Secret Police. Like bin Laden, Azev also had a hand in the assassination of the leader of the predecessor group he took over, and went on to carry out spectacular terrorist bombings that outraged and galvanized public opinion against the revolutionary movement. Terrorism then, as now, was part of a larger great game between rival powers and centers of finance. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2730940; http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0612/S00032.htm; http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0612/S00194.htm

There is also evidence that like bin Laden, Azev had an ambivalent relationship with his paymasters, had a nearly miraculous talent for eluding capture, and he too disappeared, eventually dying of kidney failure.

Evno Fishelovich Azef (1869-1918)
http://stpetersburg.berkeley.edu/alexis/alexis_azef.html
Evno (also known as Evgeny Filipovich) Azef was born the son of a poor Jewish tailor in Lyskovo in Grodnensky Province. He was a participant in illegal political activities from a very young age. In 1892, when he came under suspicion for circulating revolutionary leaflets, Azef escaped abroad and there he earned enough money to attend Germany's Polytechnic Institute. There, he met the radical Russian students known as "the Karlsruhe group." As early as 4 April 1893, Azef began informing on this group to the Russian secret police, and by 10 June of that year, Azef had both infiltrated the SRs as well as become a full-fledged police agent. After earning his degree in electrical engineering from Darmstadt in 1899, Azef was ordered back to Moscow and, with the approval of his boss, police chief Alexei Alexandrovich Lopukhin, he joined the Combat Organization in 1902 and became its head in 1903. By all accounts, Azef worked tirelessly as a revolutionary terrorist for the Combat Organization and within a year, he assumed a leadership role organizing the assassination of Minister Plehve.


Many scholars have speculated as to why Azef dedicated himself to assassinating this particular figure. Certainly, as a Jew, he had strong reasons to dislike Plehve and held the Minister accountable, for example, for the horrific pogrom in Kishenev in 1903. Conversely, as a poor, but enterprising young man, Azef also had good reason to maintain strong ties with the police, and he had to constantly feed them false information about terrorist attacks and conspiracies in order to keep up the appearance that he was doing his police duties.


Azef was the mastermind behind the plot to assassinate Plehve, and while he placed Boris Savinkov in charge (Azef could not stay in Petersburg, but had to keep moving about to avoid the suspicions of both groups), he planned all the details himself down to the cabbies, the incognitos, and the positions of the bomb-throwers. After the successful assassination, Azef kept up his double life as policeman and terrorist, but with increasing difficulty. Inside the Combat Organization, his authority was being challenged by Savinkov and in okhrana, several agents began to spy on him.


It was clear to both the terrorists and the secret police that there was a traitor in their ranks. In January 1909, after his life as a police agent had been revealed, members of the Combat Organization, including Savinkov, vote that Azef should be killed (277)**. This revelation was a huge blow to the prestige of both the SRs and the police. Azef, however, succeeded in fleeing to Germany, where he lived for years as a stockbroker and then an owner of a corset shop. Of course, he constantly feared that his enemies would find him and take their revenge. Finally, on June 12, 1915 he was discovered, arrested and sent to a German prison.

Until October 1915 Azef sat in solitary confinement in complete darkness. It was not until November of that year that Azef learned he was being held not as an agent of Russian government but as a terrorist revolutionary. In 1917, Azef was to be handed over to the new Soviet regime (as part of the postwar agreement to exchange civilian prisoners) (301)**, but he was too ill to make the journey. In April 1918 he was hospitalized for kidney troubles and died there on 24 April. Azef was buried on April 26 in Wilmersdorf cemetery.


*Petersburg, 284, 341.
**Boris Nikolajewsky, Aseff the Spy: Russian Terrorist and Police Stool. Garden City, NY: Doubleday, Doran and Company, Inc., 1934, 277, 301.
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[mmonk]

17. From Colonial Wars In a Postcolonial Era

The road to 9/11 and its continued bloody aftermath began in earnest at the tail end of the Carter administration when the CIA and Pakistan’s ISI decided it would be a good idea to train and fund a coalition of groups of mujahideen rebels in Afghanistan to give the Soviet backed government of President Mohammed Najibullah more problems than it could handle. For the Pakistani military, the strategy was to provide itself with more reach and influence. For the United States, it was to create a Vietnam type of quagmire for the Soviet Union and its success began when the USSR invaded Afghanistan on Christmas Day, 1979. Ironically, this Soviet quagmire that ultimately led to the implosion of the USSR now threatens us with the same fate.

Post cold war imperial ambitions of the U.S. have pushed the Middle East and Central Asia into intolerable peril for these regions the U.S. desires to control for unmatched hegemony. Benazir Bhutto knowing the true nature of the mujahideen coalition even down to each leader of each group and what they were capable of, warned George H.W. Bush in June of 1989, “Mr. President, I fear we have created a Frankenstein that will come back to haunt us” according to her book. The United States, blinded by the Wolfowitz doctrine, has not seen the warning signs until too late. It did not see bin Laden’s rebellion among its jihad network. It did not see the intransigence of the Taliban government concerning the price it wanted to extract for the Unocal oil pipeline through Afghanistan or the refusal to hand over bin Laden. Washington then had to become allied to Iran and Russia’s friends, the Northern Alliance, to topple what it created. Afterward, with former Unocal representative Hamid Karzai in charge in Kabul, the U.S. has underestimated the staying power and resurgence of its old creation, the Taliban and al Qaeda. Unfortunately also, Washington did not properly read the stability status of its friend Musharraf and the military dictatorship, the imbalance of funding the military, and the social imbalance that resulted. It did not see or want to see the still close relationships or ties the resurgent Taliban has with some in Pakistan’s military dictatorship as well with many in the population of Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province. Now with the province in increasing Taliban control and the provincial capital of Peshawar in the crosshairs, the Bush administration’s pretense of protecting us from weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Islamic militants seems even more absurd. The United States was going to counter this situation by having Benazir Bhutto step back into the political process, but given the confluence of Pakistan’s U.S. backed military dictatorship with its old rebellious tools of a resurgent Taliban and mujahideen groups, her life and the plan were struck short. The plan of having her back in power whereby U.S. military assets would be allowed in the provincial area to remove the threat are gone. That leaves the U.S. with the destabilizing option of military strikes without Pakistani approval and yet another U.S. attack on a nation’s sovereignty. In the midst of this clear and present danger, the Bush administration along with its allies in both parties of Congress and Israel, are pushing for the destabilization of Iran with the possibility of air strikes in order to continue the Milton Friedman utopia dream for the Persian Gulf States, and in spite of the fact Iran has not attacked another country directly in the modern era of history.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/mmonk/39

[libodem]

19. This is exactly what I have believed all along

and it why I shudder every time I hear the false description used of "Al Qaeda" in Iraq. That is the biggest piece of propaganda on the planet. I still highly doubt the accounts. In fact, I read that the tags on items of clothing, were used as proof positive that insurgents had come from out of the country, to justify the leveling of Faluja. I don't think we have any business in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Rumsfeld and Cheney are minions of Satan, as far as I'm concerned.

[balantz]

21. It makes me cringe too when I hear Obama or anyone push the sale for the war on terror

And if you have educated yourself about 9/11 MIHOP, or even if you are of the LIHOP belief, it makes the whole thing that much more shuddering.

[libodem]

20. This is exactly what I have believed all along

and it why I shudder every time I hear the false description used of "Al Qaeda" in Iraq. That is the biggest piece of propaganda on the planet. I still highly doubt the accounts. In fact, I read that the tags on items of clothing, were used as proof positive that insurgents had come from out of the country, to justify the leveling of Faluja. I don't think we have any business in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Rumsfeld and Cheney are minions of Satan, as far as I'm concerned.

[libodem]

22. Why isn't this on the fount page?

[balantz]

23. It would have long ago moved off of the front page,

but it was never put there in the first place.

I have tried to come up with a good reason why this important information was not on the front page. Haven't found one yet.