Graham: Torturous techniques work because they've been around for 500 years!

[ProfessorPlum]

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Spotting the flaw in his logic is left as an exercise for the watcher.

[Justitia]

1. What a f'in moron. Soooo glad he is now, forever recorded in history as PRO-TORTURE. -eom

[theoldman]

2. Wrong, torture has been around for 50,000 years or more.

Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. Unfortunately we have no credible records.

[wysimdnwyg]

11. Well that just can't be!

The Earth is only about 10,000 years old. Don't you go to church? Why do you hate America?

:sarcasm:

[flyarm]

3. nooo Lindsey..they have been here for 500 years because there have always been evil people

on this earth for 500 + years!

We were suposed to be better than that...Lindsey....and waterboarding is illegel Lindsey..illegal, like against the law of our land!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[triguy46]

4. Repent or die was a very successful strategy during the Inquisition

It was guaranteed to bring life changing results. Or death. A win win.

Lindsey, let me ask, who would Jesus torture?

[BOSSHOG]

5. So have termites, cockroaches and conservative values

and they too are destructive

[flyarm]

6. Lindsey Graham: Cheney Put People in Gitmo Who Weren’t Military Threat

opppssss..little Lindsey screwed up...in all his bullshit..he let a cat out of the bag!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxAzDgHPJhE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Femptywheel%2Efiredoglake%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

Lindsey Graham: Cheney Put People in Gitmo Who Weren’t Military Threat

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/

Lindsey Graham spent much of the torture hearing trying to find a narrow ground from which he could condemn torture, yet prevent anyone from being held accountable for torture. But in an effort to admit past problems at Gitmo, he named names. One name--that of Dick Cheney.

My goal is to have a process, Mr. Zelikow, that would allow us as a nation to hold our head up high and say, "no one is in jail at Guantanamo Bay because Dick Cheney said so. The only people that are in jail at Guantanamo Bay are there because the evidence presented to an independent judiciary by our military passed muster with the judicial system--they're there because they're a military threat." And that when we try these people, they're tried not because we hate them, but because of what they did.

I guess the presidential determination that someone is an enemy combatant is another of those presidential-level decisions that Dick Cheney made in lieu of the actual President.

[bigguy53]

16. Lindsey Graham

he is on the chaney band wagon alone with joe Scarborough pat buchanan joe watkins no body know any but what chaney says joe scar bough and joe watkins have been defending dick all day on ms nbc.ron christie was on ms nbc today also bumping his gums to david surster hopefully chaney will be in the same place and share a cell at git-mo with the rest of the terrorist with bust along side taking orders from chaney like he did when they were in office.

[flyarm]

25. I am aware of that..he is a scum bag..eom

[GodlessBiker]

7. I'm sure Torquemada said the same thing. Nice company you keep, Senator.

[SemperEadem]

8. what an epic fail of logic that is

[SemperEadem]

9. if waterboarding isn't torture, the Graham needs to tie his

5 yr old granddaughter to a board and waterboard her. It's just a splash of water in the face--what? Buttercup can't handle something no more strenuous than washing her face?!!!??!?!? :sarcasm:

[Hulk]

10. What a f*cking hillbilly....

This prick makes me ashamed of the whole Congress. To think someone that goofy dumb could be a US Senator belittles the office.

What are the people in his state thinking? Is this dick head a "good representative" of their state? If so, they should be ashamed.

[Necon-Be-Gone]

12. Things that worked

Drowning witches, genocide, pulling finger nails, cutting off limbs, and concentration camps.

Graham is such a disgusting idiot.

[Quantess]

22. Recently in Ghana, several hundred people accused of being witches

were tortured. Amazingly, every single one of them confessed to being a witch. See? Torture works....at getting people to confess to anything.

[drgonzosghost]

13. He and Tom Delay use the same Tijuana chop shop surgeon for their bad facelifts!

[Moonwalk]

14. Bizarre logic here. Anything that's been around for 500 years works? Okay, let's test...

...this theory. Everyone go back to 1509. Now think of things that are still around from those days. Philosophies, practices, devices. Do they still work? Oh, wait. I see a problem. What are we defining as "work?" I mean, child prostitution was certainly around back then and it's still around now. How do we decide if it "works"?

:crazy: I are so confused.

[90-percent]

28. Another example

slavery works. Been around since recorded history.

Don't outlaw the classics, folks! If we continue to make slavery illegal, the terrorists win!

-90% Jimmy

[Moonwalk]

31. But does slavery work? After all, that's his whole argument. It works...right?

[bulloney]

15. Piracy, murder and other violent crimes have been around for hundreds of years, too.

That doesn't make them right, Senator.

[Puzzler]

17. Hey, rape and murder have been around for even longer.

.

[tomm2thumbs]

18. precisely - can be said about John McCain as well - he was around before disease however

[Postman]

19. Slavery "worked". Did that make it right?

[tomm2thumbs]

20. so I guess Graham admits these are acts of torture then - thanks Lindsey for the admission

Do these idiots realize all of this is on the record here? Let's see here -'uh, boiling people alive in oil has been around for hundreds of years - therefore it works as a means of interrogation'. His lack of basic high school education is showing here.

[JDPriestly]

21. Our Founding Fathers were quite aware of the history of the Star

Chamber in England. That is why they prohibited cruel and unusual punishment and guaranteed the rights of prisoners in our Constitution.

If torture had worked, we would have lost the American Revolution. Subjugation of women was around for far longer than 500 years. It may have worked, but for what purpose? It certainly did not work for women.

Slavery was around in Roman times. That did not make it right.

The reason that torture has been around for 500 years is because there are a lot of sadists and always have been. Murder has been around a lot longer than 500 years. Doesn't make it right or prove that it "works."

[AlbertCat]

23. Yes, Torture DOES work!...

....at getting FALSE confessions. You want someone to admit something that is NOT true, torture will work well. That's why it's used over and over for hundreds of thousands of years....quick coercion.

Getting useful accurate realistic info...not so much. But getting someone to say what you want them to whether true or not....works like a charm!


Is that what Dick means when he says it worked?

[asjr]

24. Graham would have made a great

bosom buddy to Vlad the Impaler.

[Seldona]

26. This guy makes used car sales-people look like paragons of moral virtue.

Mr. Lindsay "I bought five rugs for five bucks." Graham can go fuck himself. He really stands out as one of the worst moral degenerates in party full of moral degenerates.

*Edited to add, no offense to used car sales-people.

[fascisthunter]

27. true... the worst this world had to offer, used torture

they too used excuses similar to yours... what a coincidence

[HopeHoops]

29. Um, Graham, I just have two words for you:

FUCK YOU!

[Hissyspit]

30. Embarrassing logical fallacy.

What a rube.

[Jack Rabbit]

32. The Spanish Inquisitors considered waterboarding very effective

. . . at getting witches to confess.

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[aejlaw]

34. LINDSAY is right. Torture works wonderfully IF

you are trying to establish a fictitious link between Iraq and 9/11, fake WMDs, or phantom Mushroom Clouds. Everything we always knew is slowly almost mysteriously coming out. Is it just my gut or do other feel this administration is surreptitiously leaking enough facts to convict these bums while appearing to be all "Forward Looking" and "Bi-partisany"? NAW, they would never stoop to such low down dirty tactics. I feel so sorry for old Cheney squirming out there on the talk shows, telling everyone how good torture works, while the FBI and CIA release documents showing just the opposite. If I wasn't such a nice person I might be enjoying myself and thinking, "Isn't revenge sweet?" :rofl: