Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) Says Congress Threatened with Martial Law If Bailout Bill Is Not Passed

[kpete]

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[Poll_Blind]

1. Holy shit. K&R

PB

[Seldona]

54. What he said!

Unreal!

[snot]

2. I think he just means that they weren't allowed to adjourn for the holiday without voting.

this came up on another thread a few days ago.

[dgibby]

7. No, he clearly said:

Martial law in AMERICA, not in the House.

[AllHereTruth]

10. Hmm...So should we be mad at the Bushies

Or the leaders in the house and senate?

How bout the 172 YEA votes from our own party?

[dgibby]

12. all of the above

[Grinchie]

27. Those jerks fell under the pressure of the DLC Corporatists

You know, the ones that protect Bush, Monsanto, etc..

Too bad Granny Biden is one of them, as they have infiltrated the Obama campaign like a pack of fleas.

[elleng]

29. DLC?

You mean wkc and hrc?

[AllHereTruth]

44. Corporate America, and Corporate Politics.

As time goes on, i am sad to say, i have less and less faith that Obama can, or will, stand up to Corporate Politics.

The influence Corporate America has in our political system is astounding. I have seen only 2 men in Washington today stand up, Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders...Neither of them will to be our next president. Neither of them get national attention or recognition.

Their voices are loud...but whos listening? Not Obama. Not McCain. Not Biden. Not Palin. - Where does that leave you? Me? Your family? My Family?

That is what I am concerned about. This is what our Two Party system gives us. Corporate Dems and Corporate Repubs.

The only difference between Corporate Dems and Corporate Repubs is which Corporation backs which party. End of story.

[boilerbabe]

56. You really hit the nail on the head here

My brother and I were having this very same discussion and he said something to the effect that why bother having two parties standing for the same things? This country is a mess!

[Baby Snooks]

60. There is only one party

The only party at this point is the Republicrat Party and the party affiliation of Republican and Democrat is merely a means to an end in terms of demographics. They will run as either depending on the demographics of a district. Time for people to wake up.

This new party had its foundation laid during the Nixon administration and if you look around in Washington, many of the faces from the Nixon administration are to be found in the Bush administrations. Clinton was the first Republicrat president. The scandals were meant merely to keep him in line. And he was kept in line. And rewarded well.

The Bush and Clinton dynasty. Coming to an unplanned end because of Barack Obama. But the Republicrats will continue on. They now control Congress. So in the end, it may not matter who is president.

I believe the congressman said what someone said to him. The sad reality is we may see martial law anyway. The economy is collapsing. It is like a row of dominoes. And too many have fallen to be able to stop the others from falling. Black Monday in 1929 just happened. There was no real warning. It will most likely happen again. Without warning.

[Baby Snooks]

61. Followed by Black Tuesday

The real crash in 1929 came the day after. Known as Black Tuesday. The day the bankers started selling everything they had invested in order to save their personal fortunes. There is a deja vu about that. Because of course the banks are the focus of this. The focus perhaps should have been on the bankers themselves. Rather than just the banks.

We are headed for bad times. Directed there by a foolish Congress. Although some would say a complicit Congress. Who like the bankers in 1929, are only concerned with saving their own fortunes.

[bulloney]

66. Part of the cause of the Great Depression was deregulated banks

allowed to make risky and bad investments and being too liberal on giving credit to customers. Sound familiar?

Conservatives don't want to talk about that. Instead, they throw out that red herring called the Smoot Hawley tariff, arguing that it was the cause of the GD. Smoot-Hawley passed in June 1930--nine months after the GD started. And you have equal argument as to whether Smoot-Hawley aggravated the GD. But it clearly did not cause the GD.

[October]

65. Granny? Bizarre choice of words. /nt

[99th_Monkey]

45. What Rep. Sherman said was clearly not just about Congress

I posted this as I heard him say this live on C-Span the other day, and people tried to tell me "oh, no.
it's just about House rules" .. so I'm glad this got posted so everyone can hear exactly what he said.

"martial law in America".

[endthewar]

67. There's no way you can say that this is what he clearly said

Oh, and Congress is in America by the way. Also, even if your interpretation is correct, it's obvious that this type of martial law would be in RESPONSE to other things that happened. It's not like martial law would be declared immediately after the vote failed, which is what many on here are insinuating.

[99th_Monkey]

74. See Bush's NSPD-51

Bush's national security executive order authorizing himself to declare martial law anytime Bush thinks there is a "catastrophic emergency",
defined as ...

... "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, ECONOMY, or government functions.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

[HopeHoops]

3. I've been saying for months that the only way BushCo can keep power is to impose Martial Law

[dgibby]

8. You and me, both.

[Sick Of Their Lies]

24. Bush will do it on this date

I say he will do it on Jan 20 2009. He will Nuke Iran then decare Marshall Law. He will not allow Obama to take office,
He may do it if McCain "wins" the election.

[BrklynLiberal]

53. Army deploys combat unit in US for possible civil unrest

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4156496&mesg_id=4164546

[143tbone]

75. Rove and Cheney are working closely with Sarah Palin

And pretty much ignoring McCain. It's pretty clear to me that that is how they're going to retain power.

[JDPriestly]

4. The panic administration.

That is one of the things that many of us do not like about this bail-out. It's just another panic. The Bush administration screams panic every time somebody stubs their toe. It's as if since 9/11 when Bush's denial of reality caused him to ignore warnings of criminal conduct that caused a lot of deaths, Bush has been running the country from one nightmare to the next.

Well, this crisis needs to be handled in a quiet, calm manner. Like 9/11, the warning signs have been there for all to see for years. The economic numbers haven't been right since Bush took office. Intervention was needed long, long ago. More regulation and tighter rules should have been applied from the beginning of this administration. Bush did not do that, and now he is running scared.

I remember my doctor in college telling me one time that he could tell he bad students from the good students because the good students get nervous symptoms at the beginning of the term. The bad students all get sick right around finals. Bush was a bad student. Elect a bad student and you get crisis management instead of good management.

Conclusion: The McCain/Palin ticket has two bad students on it. The Obama/Biden ticket? Well we know that Obama graduated magna cum laude from law school and Biden graduated from law school and would not have been able to get in had he not been a pretty good student, so they must have been good students. So, we can expect Obama/Biden to face their nervousness before crises hit them. Another reason to vote Obama/Biden.

[Wizard777]

6. Bush knew about for months and did nothing much like 9/11.

Then he went with his usual crisis management routine. He ran off to Congress wanting hundreds of billions of dollars or we're all dead.

[wildbilln864]

28. and they had a financial patriot act ready months ago. nt

[OwnedByFerrets]

68. I find it hard to believe, but it sounds likeyou haven't

heard of this: http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine

[Beaverhausen]

5. Wow. That's my congressman.

[heliarc]

57. Mine too...

He was just on NPR and characterized the Bush administration as holding the economy ransom and not giving it back until it received 700 billion in unmarked bills.

I'm proud to be in his district today.

[Phred42]

9. K & R

[marias23]

11. WHO Threatened Marshal Law?

This is a real serious charge Who Threatened?

[spooked911]

39. it's MARTIAL law

see the video

[L0oniX]

13. If this is really the truth then the US government has become the enemy of the American people.

[Name removed]

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[rhett o rick]

17. Hey, don't hold back, tell us what you really think. nm

[barack the house]

15. That guy nailed it drum out a good deal to not bow to pressure. Re-elect him next time Cali.

[KewlKat]

16. Here's why House Leadership would invoke martial Law

Article from 2006 explaining why House Leadership would invoke martial Law
<http://www.cbpp.org/7-28-06bud-stmt.htm >

House Leadership Invokes “martial Law,” Forcing Members To Vote On Key Bills Without Full Knowledge Of What They Are Voting On

SNIPPET:

Under the martial law procedure, longstanding House rules that require at least one day between the unveiling of significant legislation and the House floor vote on that legislation — so that Members can learn what they are being asked to vote on — are swept away. Instead, under “martial law,” the Leadership can file legislation with tens or hundreds of pages of fine print and move immediately to debate and votes on it, before Members of Congress, the media, or the public have an opportunity to understand fully what provisions have been altered or inserted into the legislation behind closed doors. This is the procedure that the Leadership intends to use to muscle through important bills in the next two days.

This procedure diminishes democracy. When major legislation is being considered that would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the debt or affect millions of Americans in other ways, Members of Congress should have an opportunity to study the legislation for more than a couple of hours and to know what they are voting on.

[IndyOp]

18. He is not talking about "martial law procedure in the house" - he said "in America"

He said that there would be martial law in America -- and he listed it after saying the stock market would drop by thousands of points on successive days - another event that would occur in America, the world outside the U.S. House.

I understand what you mean by "martial law procedure" in the house, but the Congressman is talking about martial law in the streets. You know that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team is now on call to patrol U.S. streets...

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

[KewlKat]

21. my appologies

I didn't watch the video before posting. I thought it was in regards to the house.

[IndyOp]

22. No apology needed - I read your post carefully and watched the video a second

time because I thought you might be the cool head that would prevail. I am startled - and at the same time not surprised - to hear that the threat of martial law was held over the heads of members of Congress. I am saddened and angry to see that they have fallen for it.

:(

[rucognizant]

64. And I saw posted somewhere..?

That assigning that Brigade to the "homeland" is constitutionally illegal!
Sorry no link. I am personally under such grave threat that I couldn't even sleep last night. I am 69, it was hard to find a job in my 50's, and I need to find one now to cover extra expenses, for just a normal low fuctioning lifestyle ( car, unpolluted well water)
I may have seen it on HuffPo.

[IndyOp]

72. Please reach out for help -- contact your local social services and find out now

about your options for getting assistance paying for heat, electricity, and food. You can keep looking for a job, but also look into your options for getting help from the government or local churches or civic organizations so that you don't make yourself sick worrying. Please.

:hug:

[santamargarita]

19. This should be enough to throw that shitbag and his sidekick out of office!

I'll let you guess which one is the sidekick

[Piewhacket]

20. WTF did you figure when.....

Posse Comitatus ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act ) was repealed in 2006 (John Warner Defense Authorization Act 2006),
then reinstated in 2008 in a bill which Bush signed with a "signing statement" indicated that the Executive Branch did not feel
bound by the reimposed posse comitatus law.

And then this October surprize came in from armytimes.com ( http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/ )
and that's when I calmly suggested to folks that they should

FREEK OUT!!!!

DID YOU THINK THIS WAS AN AMUSING GAME?????
I dont.

[mojowork_n]

33. It's gone. Whatever was at that armytimes link

came in "done" but with "errors on page" -- a blank.

I'm guessing it had to do with military units just back from Iraq on some sort of stand-by alert for crowd suppression/imposition of martial law?

[sundayparsons]

35. The armytime link...

article was about the raiders...4,000 I believe was the number and they would be active duty state side effect October 1, 2008.

[redqueen]

37. Here's a good link for it: "Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1"

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

[Piewhacket]

73. Thats it. Sorry for the bad link. Thanks for the repair.

[Joe Chi Minh]

23. It's perfectly consonant with Joe Bageant's latest article, isn't it?

[razors edge]

38. Joe nailed it.

Worms we be.

[bluesmail]

25. I would never doubt the authenticity of this. Never.

Martial Law IS their end-game. Say bye to Democracy that has outlived all of us.

[Grinchie]

26. I'm sure glad those details were published in the media...

We are so screwed.

[balantz]

30. There is no democracy here, just a temporary and fading facade of one.

Fascists designed this game from way before 9/11.

What have Dems like Nancy done for us? They cozy with the Nazi-like regime in power, the one that answers to the military-corporate-elite power structure. This is what Jefferson, JFK, even Eisenhower tried to warn us about.

Way back when Jefferson told us this:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Thomas Jefferson 1802

[liberal N proud]

31. And impeachment is still off the table

[balantz]

32. Since Nancy didn't impeach these dangerous people,

she must be directly working for them. She always gives them what they want.

[spooked911]

40. No doubt-- she's a co-criminal

aiding and abetting war-crimes

[Golden Raisin]

58. And smiles and grins

in all the photo ops, especially the ones with Bush.

[balantz]

71. Beyond that even.

I only see a familial-like admiration between them in the photos. Kind of like you might see between siblings.

[whistle]

34. I heard this on Wednesday, our elected congress persons literally had a gun held to their heads

...and were held hostage until the Bush Administration got its way. Is this what America has become?

[Raineyb]

55. It became exactly what Bush wanted when they caved on every right stealing bill he put before them.

Now there's surprise? He said it when he was running the first time. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

Now we have Mcfascist talking about how he always aspired to be a dictator. "If I were a dictator which I always aspired to be."

In 2000 people wrote off Wanker's ramblings as a joke and where are we now? We've got spying with no warrants, an army brigade whose job is put down "rioting" here at home. (If you think the RNC stuff was bad imagine what will happen with the Army in charge of it.) Presidential dictates that can declare martial law based on an economic emergency. Blackwater used as a private army (the blackshirts were not government employees) And now we're surprised that the threat of martial law was used to ram through a shitty bailout package? What we're becoming folks is a fascist state.

All these people who think that such dictator comments are jokes, or are funny (obviously not DU folks) would listen. McDickhead, Bush, Cheney, Palin, all of these people are telling you what they are with these jokes. Pay attention will you and listen!

I swear if we still have an election on Nov 4 these fascist idiots have got to be put to pasture otherwise it's going to be a dire time for the rest of us. And a good number of us won't survive four years on the off chance we'll get another chance to vote them off.

Regards

[RedLetterRev]

36. I immediately wrote my rep

and I'm sitting here a little numb. It's one thing to intuit what was going on. It's quite another to hear it said out loud by a member of the House.

[razors edge]

41. Good citizens,

we must hold a suicide watch for this man, he is obviously depressed.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Leopolds Ghost]

62. What is that supposed to mean?

:shrug:

[FraDon]

42. Martial law :: a surprise worthy of October !

Now exactly WHO was it again doing the threatening?

[jellen]

70. threatening martial law

My question too, who was doing the threatening? I don't know
which democrats to believe either. Can we find what obama has
to say on this subject? I knew there were nasty bastards out
there but this is so low! Can someone tell me who to believe?
I see Michael Moore is against this deal. But does he know
enough to see the consequences of this bill? Can the bill be
undone if necessary ? 

[DB1]

43. K and R and bookmarked. Thanks!

[Hekate]

46. Has anyone phoned Sherman's office and asked him to expand on this comment?

I'd really love to hear this.

Regardless, I hope the usual suspects at DU send this on to Keith and Rachel and ask them to investigate...

Hekate

[navarth]

47. amen to that

he didn't specify who had been told and who told it to them.

I'd love to see KO and Rachel look into this one. I know that Thom Hartmann had Naomi Wolf on his show today and they talked quite a bit about it.

It's chilling.

[bjobotts]

48. He won't reveal 'private' conversations. Bernie Sanders said $35 billion given in bonuses to wall st

[bjobotts]

49. About 40 extremely weathy families think they own America.The Fascist robbed our treasury

[bjobotts]

50. No expert economists allowed.Regarless of what majority of America says, it passed

[bjobotts]

51. The citizens should have been consulted first. Why the rush..no trusting these people

[bjobotts]

52. We were powerless to stop it and powerless to take it back.Some democracy.

[cstalberg]

59. Call Blackwater Security

Blackwater Security can do the job! Call them at [phone]

[whistle]

63. 9 minutes which provides insight into why this is happening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDWwAFMHtIQ&feature=related

[Geek_Girl]

69. And what happened the day right after the bill failed in the house

Oh the stock market went up not down! This was fear mongering at it's worse IMHO

[lostnotforgotten]

76. And Where Have All The DU Agitators Gone Arduously Stumping For The Bailout

Inquiring minds would like to know?