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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:51 PM
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Secrets of The CIA - In Bed With The Nazis
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFpuJvLPbio
 
Posted on YouTube: January 17, 2007
By YouTube Member: MoreRockin
Views on YouTube: 7610
 
Posted on DU: March 01, 2007
By DU Member: rman
Views on DU: 1490
 
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"Using Nazi war criminals is how the CIA got started. And these are as bad guys as you can ever find."
- Elizabeth Holtzman, congresswoman (D)


Elizabeth Holtzman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holtzman

Elizabeth Holtzman (born August 11, 1941 in Brooklyn, New York) is an American Democratic politician.

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Holtzman now practices law in New York City. She has written a memoir (ISBN 1-55970-302-4) called Who Said it Would be Easy: One Woman's Life in the Political Arena and is currently serving on a commission investigating the connections of the OSS and CIA with Nazis in the post-World War II period. On January 11, 2006 The Nation published an essay by Holtzman calling for the impeachment of U.S. President George W. Bush for authorizing "the wiretapping of hundreds, possibly thousands, of Americans, in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act." <1>. She has expanded on her arguments for impeaching President Bush in a 2006 book, co-authored with Cynthia L. Cooper, The Impeachment of George W. Bush: A Practical Guide for Concerned Citizens<2>.
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PLF Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:57 PM
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1. good post
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:05 PM
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2. CIA began with Allen Dulles & Prescott Bush allowing Nazis into the U.S.
And their little clerk at the time? A little nobody named Richard Nixon.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:07 PM
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3. Fits right in to my theory
Bad Bushies
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:26 PM
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4. And George Soros' assertion that a de-Nazification was needed.
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 04:28 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:54 PM
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5. The Soviets couldn't do it
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 04:54 PM by PATRICK
and Stalin would have been perfectly happy to send millions to gulags and death if it were even just satisfying. Nazis were rife in the lower levels beyond the dramatic war criminals of the death camps. It was the party of political and governmental existence and had taken roots everywhere. So everyone had to use their services post-war. Still, there was a separation from actual war criminals no matter how general or blurred was the Soviet/Western tolerance-by-necessity. Far easier to build a repressive counter in the West German Constitution and government and culture and extreme, invasive communist dictatorship in the East. That's to punish and control the hoi poloi. Farther up comes either culling or preferential treatment, or lack of pursuit of those with the means to escape justice. Or blackmail and utility in the Cold War subterranean evils.

So while suppressing and pushing the defeated cultures toward a defanged future, the monsters thrived in the war between the winners. People like Dulles allowed themselves sentimental self-justification and even admiration of their Nazi allies(like General Wolfe who helped Dulles deal the German army in Italy to surrender) while beginning noticeably to turn against FDR who was antithetical to his values except as an effective war leader. Almost waxing rhapsodic about the German generals attempted coup in the angst conflict between oath and duty to the country. The sympathetic sentiment is more chilling than the cold utilitarian use of savage tools. On any level the evil marriage was corrupting, but the passionate respect element in the "community" rightly fosters disgust and suspicion among the people once they have any knowledge of them.

Applying cold, ultilitarian logic ourselves, one can see that this corruptuing strategy is inherently dangerous and something to be excised with prejudice as much as any Nuremberg show trial had done temporarily for top tokens available. It is not the Nazis that the Dulles crowd and the communists employed but the employers themselves who became the leading dangers. Did they even have to morph morally into those they now brought into their schemes? You are known by the company you keep, anmd they kept company very well.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:26 AM
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11. Prescott Bush...
Hitler worshiper and George W.'s granddad. Figures.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:25 PM
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6. k&r'd, it is all one big twisted puzzle...
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:42 PM
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7. Not really a secret
The Kennedy/Watergate/Bushevic researchers have been writing and talking about it for years. Good to see it's
being mentioned again, though.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:23 PM
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8. Excellent information...
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 09:47 PM by PhilipShore
I did some research about this in college, it was after World War II, that the Nazis (in the video), went to America, then other ones (Nazis) went to South America, to escape the War Crime trials.

The wealthy ones in South America, would connect with the US/CIA Nazis that were described in the Video, then they would lobby (excuse me I mean bribe) Republican congressmen to use traditional psyops in the USA that was beneficial for the Nazis whom did not consider the war as ending; that psyops operation was the foundation for the US media (MSM) running stories about the Middle East with an emphasis on why the Palestinian's should have rights -- to this day we so Pro Arab Palestinian rights stories on the MSM - but also even in the allegedly liberal presses.

The money they would use to lobby, influence (bribe) congress; was from vaults filled with gold called Nazi gold, to this day most of the vaults of Nazi Gold are full, but the older Nazis are dying like flies from old age, so they need new agents, (Bush?, Rove?, Rumsfeld? etc.)
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 11:57 PM
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9. Good old Project Paperclip...!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 12:11 AM
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10. Thanks, rman! Linda Hunt, too...
Linda Hunt wrote key work shedding light on the subject of the CIA's NAZI roots in 1985.

Nice PDF:

"Paperclip" was a U.S. project to employ German scientists in sensitive military and space programs after World War II. This investigation reveals that evidence of Nazi activism and war crimes was suppressed i order to allow many of them to immigrate.

U.S. coverup of Nazi scientists

http://www.deervalleyhistory.com/36%E2%80%93TheColdWarBegins,1945%E2%80%931952/USCoverupofNaziScientists(LindaHunt).pdf

Why isn't ABCNNBCBSFALSENOISENUTWORK covering this?

Why isn't this in the history books?

I'm glad it's on YouTube.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 02:37 AM
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12. Good question
Why isn't this in the history books?

When I was in college, I found out about it - not from a college course, but from a "out of print" book at a used book store.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 05:18 AM
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13. Why is this kept hidden,
why is this secret - be it an open secret.

Two possibilities come to mind.

At the very best, it is because this part of history is quite embarrassing not just to the US but to the West in general.
At worst it is because Nazi types are still involved and have a lot of influence, and don't want their part in post WW2 history revealed.

Whichever way you turn it, the fact that Nazi war criminals essentially created the CIA, has staggering implications.

Not that i think i'm telling you anything new, just stating the obvious.
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