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gi4obama Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:50 AM
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Russia's not backing down
 
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antisoros Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:41 AM
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1. Regional Solutions Alone
Only Barrack Obama will produce the kind of regional solution to Georgian aggression. Russia didn't leave Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and Crimea so the US could turn these into Geo-Aircraft Carriers.
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antisoros Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:45 AM
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2. Russia And Encirclement

So Bush-McCain are playing the Encirclement Card, with Russia handed a Zero Sum ante. If you should happen to have a list of journalists, then scratch off the name; "Michael Totten." He runs a website of derived observations, and goes to every length to beg for Paypal donations. But, the State Dept appears to like to get him into hot situations, and he always ends up in the best hotels, except when he slums for nominal peer to peer contacts. Whether he is imbedded with US troops in Iraq or in Kosovo or Bosnia, he always finds vindication for Bush's foreign policy. And the State Dept sees to it that he speaks to the right people. Please read this article which he has linked in hundreds of websites, most of whom support the right wing agenda.
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/on-my-way-to-ge.php#comments

Totten detaches the work of Vliad Gamsakhurdia from Mikhael Saakashvili, without doing even Wikipedia research. What BS! In 2004, after Saak went on George Soros payroll and turfed out Shevardnadze, he asked the president of the Chechen republic to disinter Gamsakhurdia's body and deliver it to Georgia, where he had it interred in the Pantheon of Heroes. Gamsakhurdia was Georgia's first post Soviet leader, having been elected on a "Georgia for the Georgians' platform in 1990. Unfortunately, only 70% of that territorial entity speak Georgian, and divisive recognition struggles resulted in a bloody civil war, after which the last Foreign Minister of the Soviet Union assumed power. The deposed leader recognized Chechen independence and aided the rebellion against Russia. He was nominated for the Nobel Prize by the US Congress, and Sen. John McCain was outspoken in his support. He was also a paranoid, who claimed that the 1991 coup in Russia was faked by Gorbachev.

Of course, as much as Saak's narrative converged with Gamsak, they diverged on one simple point: Gamsak was murdered in the west of
Georgia after he joined the bloody civil war in that part of the country. Saak chose to join the Shevardnadze government as Justice Minister, and it was his job to coverup and whitewash said murder and accession after the fact. They he went on Soros' payroll, and facilitated the creation of the youth vigilantes who organized the Rose Revolution of 2003 (actually a coup; Shevardnadze was videotaped being tossed out of the assembly). Once affirmed by electors, with 80% of the vote, Saak adopted Soros' globalism and led the country through economic upheavals, resulting in harsh protest reaction. By November of last year, he closed critical media, put down protests with violence, jailed opposition leaders, and declared an election which was resulted in his return to office with 52.8% of the vote. European observers reported triplicate voting in some cases. See Soros' coups in action.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co
.uk/2/hi/europe/3288547.stm

How did Saak lose half of his vote? Having the fortune of taking in a national cut from the BTC pipeline he found that he had to make a sham out of the Soros Plan, and create a crony class of Neo-Appartchuks (all 15,000 of those who greated Condi Rice were associated with same). Given that Israel had put 1 billion into the pipeline project, Saak appointed 2 holders of Israeli citizenship to his Cabinet. Why didn't they take the Armenia route? That country had bloody minority rights conflicts with all of its neighbors, including Georgia. But worse, Armenia claims sovereign title to one-quarter of Turkey. All the above contributed to Saak seeking foreign backed power. Hence, the sovereignty of Georgia alone was to be protected by collective security provisions of NATO. Anyone who can read a map can understand the problem of Strong Man rule in the Caucasus.
http://www.djavakhk.com/cartes.php?l=en

So how did Bush and Cheney plan to get their Strong Man? They would play the NATO card. and then let territorial integrity allow them to turn Georgia into their Aircraft Carrier. And they knew they could turn Saak against Soros, who once compared Bush to Hitler, and the contradiction of a Soros stooge sending troops to Iraq, had to be dealt with by a split. In the latest venture, they decided to use NATO as an instrument of ethnic cleansing and 'war crime. John McCain, the chosen candidate for the Republican Party had a Georgian fiduciary in his payroll until last April. There is good foundation to believe that secure data was put into his hands in the last few months. In any case, Bush arranged for military exercises ("Immediate Response 2008") to be held in Georgia from July 15-31). Regiment websites and even such sites as Facebook have thousands of videos and pictures of the exercise. There can be no denial that Georgian troops were trained in BlitzKleenz, or ethnic cleansing by artillery and rocket fire.
http://immediateresponse.pims.org/
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63921&archive=true
http://postmanpatel.blogspot.com/2008/08/us-army-exercise-immediate-response.html
http://georgiandaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4981&Itemid=65

But what happened on Aug. 7? We know that there is no satellite information whatsoever refuting Russian claims that tanks did not
pass through the Rokia Tunnel until 14 hours AFTER the 11:30 PM barrage commenced. And satellite data proves that civilians were
targeted. Over 40,000 were BlitzKleenzed to Russia.
http://ossetians.com/eng/news.php?newsid=481&f=36&PHPSESSID=5fba7887dd5ddb384b43a12b044f1b96
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/satelliteimages/UNOSAT/324545345fcd9edf949c6655c8d0d2db.htm

Russians claim that these troops carried out the Midnight-Massacre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WXw421fLUY&feature=related

Tskhivali murderers in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WXw421fLUY&feature=related

And these American Advisors trained them, and had obligations to monitor use of targeting-technology weaponry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyqQZWXtGKk

But Big Media's refusal to recognize Saak as an ethnic cleanser, allowed Bush-Cheney-McCain to put Russia on the defensive and
draw NATO and the OSCE into their scheme. In fact, Saak was able to blame Russia for the August 6 massacre, that began after
military equipment was moved while Saak was on Georgian state television, promising autonomy for Ossetanians. Sounds
Machievellian to me. After a decent interval, Georgian media doormats put out a refined cover story, which incorporates some
of the Russian accusations. There is clear abridgement of relevant facts.
http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&s=f&o=346346&apc_state=henh

However, earlier - in clear Pentagon Gamer script worth of Ollie North's plausible denial - Saak had issued an earlier declaration
that an NGO - Soros logic invoked - had reported that it was Russia that "leveled Tskhinvali." In fact, Human Rights Watch
spoke to numerous refugees, and placed the blame on Georgia.
http://www.new.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1019825981431&oid=22347223862

Cui bono from this latest Tonkin Gulf, Grenada rescue, Panama Drug Lords, Saddam's WMD, issue? The US is using military
vehicles to transfer aid to the Georgian tyrant, and Bush has declared that Georgia's territorial integrality will be restored. And
the NATO holdouts - based partly on Saak's refusal to speak to Armenian minorities on the Georgification issue - are now in line.
The US has an excuse to load the Black Sea with US ships. America and the Georgian tyrant alone benefit. I estimate that
Saak had only 5% of popular support on Aug. 9. That has changed but one thing is certain: Stalin's articulation - and this
represented Russia and not the Communist Party - of the "encirclement" nightmare has come true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1hGarg8lk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxQZmMRysU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGdG0ErRWHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYVxC1U5cYw&feature=user

You may be aware that new textbooks in the Russian Federation admit to the Katyn Forest Massacre of Polish troops, after the
joint Soviet-Nazi division of Poland. However, they support it. Why would a country with free use of the internet use textbooks
this way? They want to send a message: encircle us and we will reverse the process. Of course, the real solution is to
use the OSCE process - Final Act, CSCE - to negotiate a regional peace arrangement that will conduce lasting peace.
That can only happen if Barrack Obama is President of the US.

What will happen if McCain support puts him in a winning position? Some Russians might want to wait until East Europeans do
what the West Europeans did in the eighties: reject Euro-Missiles by toppling militarist politicians and governments. The ABMs
are garbage; the Russians can neutralize them with launch-on-warning threats (already done) or by use of multiple-head nukes.
Further, explosive capacity can be increased drastically. However, putting a hair-trigger on nukes is hardly wise.

However, in the fog of Bush deceit and recklessness, one fact escaped the Gamers who planned the BlitzKleenz: Georgia's
territorial integrity is hardly protectable by US ships carrying goods. And the Russians have a move, in face of encirclement:
nuke Tblisi. As I write that is likely already policy. It is a hard choice, given that some Georgians (up to 15% in some context)
support Russia. But that move would cut the head off the Encirclement snake, forever. Will the world be shocked by
Hiroshima-Nagasaki 2? Momentarily, but they will listen to Putin-Medvedev play the blame game. The public hasn't paid
attention to the depthless depravity of Saakashvili. He is, arguably, the most loathsome leader to come to power in the new
millenia. McCain would surpass him. A million and a half dead and a country turned into a rural backwoods with one swoop.
But in the perverse exchange, the regional peace card is played. Russia is not in ANY game now.

Totten and other media scum have shown that they are going to lie through the teeth, to further Bush-McCain imperial
ambitions. Bush has already put Iran out of the picture: he and McCain want regime change in Russia. They want Putin
dead, and soon. The man who Russians have allowed to have filled the lost pride after they pulled out of Europe in the
Nineties, is scripted in a Pentagon Game Play as a humiliated outcast. That cannot happen. Common sense must
prevail. Big Media MUST stop the censorship of the IR2008 and Clean Fields schemes, and report nothing but the truth.

Prediction: Big Media CANNOT shake a "Prague Spring" story, even if they have to prop war criminals like Mikhail
Saakashvili in the process. Ergo: one of the smaller Russia nukes will fall on Tblisi. Personally, I will absorb that catastrophe
in the big picture, and think of same in context of the regional peace that will follow. Russia cannot be Encircled! If Condi
Rice was not a Fraud, she would know that. When will the bomb fall? Bush chose the opening of the Olympics as the perfect
timing for turning NATO into a mini Auschwitz factory. US Election Day would be favored by the Russians. However, in their
mind, the existential card dropped on them by Bush-McCain, dictates: sooner rather than later. Once Georgia is protected
under a collective security arrangement, it is Pentagon Game Theory in Practise. Bush would win his usual pyrrhic victory.
Humanity would lose as usual.


At this time, I should link to the "End of the World Polka" to draw out worse case scenario thinking. But as Hitler said,
"Who remembers the Armenians." Punchline: in this case they WILL be remembered. As for George Bush and John
McCain: future generations of Americans will hold pilgrimages to spit on their graves. This generation MUST vote for
Barrack Obama.

Pentagon Game Rap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m5hnDnRL0A&feature=related

GF

Afterthought:
http://www.osce.org/documents/mcs/1975/08/4044_en.pdf
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antisoros Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:37 PM
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3. Delete Delete
There was a little point counterpoint there; nothing disrespectful or inappropriate. But...gonzo. McCain intends to roll into the White House on the Georgia issue. What do we do about it?
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