Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Barak Obama announcement on rejecting Federal Campaign Financing

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU
 
brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:41 AM
Original message
Barak Obama announcement on rejecting Federal Campaign Financing
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 09:20 AM by brooklynite
 
Run time: 02:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snsnqbq_OCo
 
Posted on YouTube: June 19, 2008
By YouTube Member:
Views on YouTube: 0
 
Posted on DU: June 19, 2008
By DU Member: brooklynite
Views on DU: 2207
 
Interesting that he chose to make the announcement himself, and take the heat, rather than announce it by Spokesman or Press Release
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:50 AM
Response to Original message
1. As long as that means he wins now and changes things later, that's fine with me
He already went to the DNC and told them to stop taking lobbyist money which is awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOcmTtojidI
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:29 AM
Response to Original message
2. Soon as that stimulus check finally gets here...

...I'll be pitching in.

Also to a few other campaigns and or national organizations.

BTW, anyone know which of the nationals like DNC, DCCC, etc have a snail mail opt-out on their contrib web forms?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
georgecolombo Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:39 AM
Response to Original message
3. It's Fine With Me
The Republicans hoped that he would unilaterally abandon a potentially enormous financial edge. Doing so wouldn't make any sense.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. *enormous financial edge = special interest funds
The Hypocrisy is astounding.

I hope y'all will be as forgiving later on when he has to start paying back that *enormous financial edge* for it's support with corporate goodies coming BEFORE the little guy who is still waiting for that *change* that seems to be getting lost in the shoving match.

unbelievable. :puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Obama set the record for most individual donors
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 10:17 AM by ihavenobias
He's also made a point to avoid lobbyist money, and while imperfect, he's done a pretty good job overall, especially compared to the other major candidates.

And again, there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOcmTtojidI

There is too much at stake in this election. Once elected with a strong (you know, the opposite of what we have currently) Dem Congress behind him, I really believe he'll make a push for expanding public financing. It's an ENORMOUS issue, trust me, I know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. enormous financial edge=
the most campaign contributions by the American people ever. Unbelievable isn't it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. You know you're right... he is indebted to special interests
The special interests of voters! Go learn something about his capaign please.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ytzak Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:21 AM
Response to Original message
7. Public financing was important in previous campaigns when...
Democrats could not compete with bottomless Republican pockets. McCain already accepted public financing then broke regulations when it wasn't convenient, so even if he and McCain agreed to public funds only, why would anyone believe the Republican's will abide by that pledge. Finally, Obama hasn't been secret about the corporations that back him. He is a better Corporacandidate than McCain. He will institute some small changes that are better for the common folk than McCain will. But real, substantive change will not happen on Obama's watch.

Public financing works if its the only trough that all horses drink from. Otherwise, it near useless as a control on power of the rich
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:46 AM
Response to Original message
9. I love the message but
the filming was awful! How could they get something taped ahead of time so wrong??

He isnt even looking straight ahead at the camera... What gives? His eyes are looking up reading. It just looks bad for something that will be played on MSM after McSame starts bashing him.


I just dont get it. Normally they get this stuff perfect.



Either way great message and I will continue to give what I can. I never wanted a guy elected so bad before.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. it feels "home-made"... like some youtube video response.
sure, he's reading it- but i betcha he WROTE it!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:47 PM
Response to Original message
11. Whew!
I'm so relieved that he's rejecting the financing with its limits. Because he's absolutely right when he says that the other side will game the system with the 527's. Now he can continue to run a grassroots funded campaign which will fund a straightforward campaign with none of the funny stuff the other side will employ.

Straight-talker? It's Obama, not McCain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Opts Out of Public Financing: Promise-Breaker or Reform-Shaker?
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 02:51 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
This is what's being said about Obama's dicission at mother jones and

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/06/8758_obama_opts_out.html

In the decades after Watergate, the basic thrust of campaign finance reform was this: limit the flow of big-money private contributions to candidates. No more bags of money for the pols. Now, only donations of up to $2300 from individuals are acceptable. And in the presidential race, there is public financing: the nominees--if they agree to forgo fundraising--receive full underwriting of their general election campaigns. This year that subsidy is about $85 million.

This system has been an imperfect reform. There have been loopholes. Well-heeled private interests have poured money into independent efforts to support a preferred candidate or, more often, blast that candidate's opponent. And parties could raise money, while corporations could donate unrestricted amounts to presidential conventions. So the opportunity for one side to outspend the other (using unlimited donations from wealthy individuals, corporations or unions) has remained. The influence of big money has not been eradicated. Still, presidential candidates, once nominated, could focus on campaigning, rather than cash-hunting.

Now comes Barack Obama.

He has run for president as an agent of change who slams the money-talks ways of Washington. As an Illinois state senator and as a U.S. senator, he has passed reform measures. Yet on Thursday, in an email to his supporters, he announced that he would not participate in the public financing system in the general election, despite an earlier promise to stay within this system. He will be the first major presidential nominee to reject public financing for the general election since Watergate. Instead of relying on that check from the U.S. Treasury, he will continue his record-setting fundraising operation. John McCain's campaign immediately and predictably proclaimed that this decision "undermines his call for a new type of politics" and will "weaken and undermine the public financing system."

Obama said:

It’s not an easy decision, and especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections. But the public financing of presidential elections as it exists today is broken, and we face opponents who’ve become masters at gaming this broken system. John McCain’s campaign and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs. And we’ve already seen that he’s not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations.
Obama is clearly doing what's best for his political prospects. No doubt, Obama, who has raised about $265 million so far (while McCain has raised $97 million), can pocket hundreds of millions of dollars in the general election. So by eschewing the public financing system, he will have far more dollars to deploy--and be able to double, triple or quadruple what the McCain campaign raises and spends (presuming McCain keeps within the system).

But the story here is deeper than the simple narrative, Obama-sells-out-reform. His campaign, relying on Internet fundraising, has broken records in the number of small donors it has attracted. It has been far more populist than other major campaigns when it comes to fundraising. As Obama put it, "Instead of forcing us to rely on millions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs, you’ve fueled this campaign with donations of $5, $10, $20, whatever you can afford. And because you did, we’ve built a grassroots movement of over 1.5 million Americans." Sure, Obama did receive a significant amount from maxed-out contributors and bundlers, but he has mobilized small contributors unlike no one else. Given that the goal of the reform system was to prevent big-money backers from getting their hooks into a candidate, are its restrictions less relevant for a candidate who does so well with small donors?

When the system was first designed, few could imagine an Internet-dominated world in which it would be possible for a candidate who motivates millions of voters to haul in so much from non-fat-cats. Are these rules then obsolete? And considering that Democrats have often been at a disadvantage when it comes to big-bucks fundraising (though not lately), should a Democratic nominee walk away from an advantage in people-power fundraising? After all, if literally millions of citizens yearn to make a small contribution to a campaign that aims to undo the work of the Bush administration, why stop them? Isn't that small-d democracy at its best? And Obama's decision will put him in a stronger position to pressure independent groups from raising and spending unlimited amounts to support him or attack McCain. If he does draw in $300 million or so in campaign donations, Obama will not need these outsiders. McCain, however, will. Even though McCain has said he does not fancy independent spending in campaigns, he will be less able to lean on these players (say, this year's Swift Boaters) to cease and desist. Assuming that McCain will rely on the public subsidy of $85 million, the GOP will somehow have to cover the $200 million-plus gap between the McCain campaign and the Obama campaign.

Obama can be pegged a flip-flopper on this front. And the McCain camp is right: he's setting a precedent that will weaken the system. Longtime reform advocate Fred Wertheimer says,

We had hoped and expected that Senator Obama would stick with the public pledge he made to accept public financing and spending limits for the presidential general election, if he was nominated, and if his Republican opponent also agreed to accept public financing and spending limits for the general election. These conditions have been met.
We do not agree with Senator Obama's rationale for opting out of the system. Senator Obama knew the circumstances surrounding the presidential general election when he made his public pledge to use the system....
Senator Obama's decision to opt out...make it all the more important for Senator Obama to personally make clear to the public in no uncertain terms that if he is elected, one of the early priorities for his Administration will be enacting legislation to repair the presidential public financing system.
The argument that the Obama campaign has created a parallel system of public financing through its Internet small donor fundraising does not hold up. ...Larger contributions and bundlers already have played an important role in financing the Obama presidential primary campaign and may well do so in the general election....
It is true that Obama has used bundlers and accepted money from big donors. But he has indeed demonstrated the potential of a new model. And Obama is one of three lead Senate sponsors of legislation that would improve the presidential public financing system, particularly for presidential primaries. This bill would give primary candidates public matching funds of $4 for every $1 raised, covering only individual contributions of $200 or less. Under this reform, the importance of smaller Internet contributions would be maximized and the primaries would become less a money-chase than they have been.

Does Obama's decision mean he's a phony, or is his embrace and mastery of small-donor fundraising an indication he is truly a vehicle for change? Ultimately, his move will be judged expediently. Political foes will brand him a business-as-usual promise-breaker. His supporters will cheer his hard call and celebrate his grassroots and netroots successes as a democratic (and Democratic) triumph. As for nonpartisan reformers, they will have to keep on pondering the implications for reform and clean elections in the brave new world of the web. And whatever happens in November, Obama will not have the excuse of having been outspent. This self-proclaimed candidate of change will be the most well-financed-by-the-voters politician in the history of the United States.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
13. What Russ Feingold said:
In the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel today: He said that the decision is "a mistake.This is not a good decision. While the current public financing system for presidential primaries is broken, the system for the general election is not." Then later on in the article, it notes that Feingold is sponsoring a bill that would reform the entire public financing system, and is still pleased that Obama is a co-sponsor on the bill and believes that Obama is committed to reforming the current system.

In other words, he is acknowledging that there are problems with the system. I disagree with his contention that the general election system isn't broken too. The most glaring one is that the 527's can go ahead and spend money while the candidate has his hands tied due to funding restrictions. I say make the 527's come under the same kind of restrictions and then it would be fair.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 04:11 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC