Rachel Maddow on the Democratic Committee Meeting

[ProfessorPlum]

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[lapfog_1]

1. do NOT cross the streams

[sallyseven]

2. Rachel Maddow, Andrea Mitchel, Norah O'Donnell

all members of the "We Hate Hillary Club" I had high hopes for Rachel but she drank the kool aid to secure a job. NBC nor MSNBC do not allow thought just spit it ou the way the way we want you to.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted,

but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party.


There is a plus side to the Michigan disaster, however. Now that we know that the RBC can override voter preferences and award delegates to the candidate of their choice, it opens up some intriguing options. For instance, I would encourage the Clinton campaign to go back to the committee and argue that they should be awarded some of Obama's delegates from Nebraska, Washington and Idaho because the caucuses in those states were not as inclusive as the non-binding primaries that occurred afterward. No exit poll information would be required for this reallocation, either...just certified votes.

[ProfessorPlum]

4. I hate to have to explain this to you again

But Hillary didn't "win" ANY delegates in Michigan. The vote was not for delegates. The vote did not apply to the primary delegate count. The "vote", if it can even be called that, was a meaningless exercise with only one (viable at that time) candidate on the ballot.

That the DNC has decided to allow the candidates to get some delegates based on that vote is the DNC's option. The number of delegates Hillary won based on the vote in Michigan is ZERO. That she was granted some was a boon from the committee, not having anything to do with what was owed to her.

"the RBC can override voter preferences and award delegates to the candidate of their choice" except for primaries and caucuses that are proper and allowed by the DNC, like those in NE, WA, and ID.

[glowing]

5. Wow, that's a stretch...

The vote was not valid.. they used some strange formula to arrive at these numbers..Also, this is the compromise that MI came up with for their state... If one does not like what the representatives do in MI, then the people in MI need to vote them out of office.. these formula's, to arrive at the MI #'s, were explained in detail by Sen. Levin, who was representing MI and the petition to seat the delegates.. To me, FL, my state, and MI, were completely invalid.. and I as a FL voter, feel that my vote is being stolen by Sen. Clinton. However, this is compromise.. and its not pretty.

I think one must use a very level head in understanding what occurred.. these 2 states petitioned the RBC to have their delegates seated in this manner. I would hope that Senator Clinton would respect the wishes of the state's Democratic Party and the compromised petitions that they allowed to be passed.

[Apollo11]

7. Good point

Obama's campaign seemed to be arguing that IF their candidate had kept his name on the ballot in Michigan and IF he had campaigned actively in the State and IF folks had responded positively to his message then Hillary Clinton would have received fewer votes that she did on January 15th. Therefore her delegate lead out of Michigan should be cut in half from 18 to 10. Then each vote only counts as half a vote - so instead of +18 delegates, Hillary gets just +5.

If that is seen as a fair compromise, then why not go back and challenge some of the caucus results on the grounds that caucuses are not a fair and inclusive way of counting votes?

[Jefferson23]

6. MI and Florida should not have counted at all..that is what each candidate agreed to.

The officials in those two states should be thrown out of office for creating this mess..why have rules at all if they only end up changing later on.