Stop This War Now!

[corvusblog]

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A vote for funding, is a vote for the war. Even the U.S. Supreme Court recognized such a relationship between Congress and the Executive branch. Democrats shouldn't bill themselves as "anti-war" and a "peace candidate" if they vote to fund this insane war.

Google, "Zogby Intenational Military Poll" to see a Zogby webpage showing a majority of American soldiers wanting to end the war now.

There's only two reasons why Democrats won't vote against Bush's war bill:

1. They're worried their opponents in their next election will call them "weak on terror"

2. They know if they reject Bush's war bill, Bush will reject/veto every single Democratic earmark approaching his desk. Dem leaders seek smooth pork-sailing in voting to fund Bush's war. That's why we hear and see so much "doublespeak." These so-called "sincere" Democrats who rail against Bush while passing him a bag of money under the table.

I vividly recall Bush announcing last December how he was going to veto ANY Democratic earmarks crossing his desk - the VERY NEXT MORNING, bright and early, Harry Reid suddenly announced he was supporting Bush's call for a "troop surge." Tit-for-tat. Bizness as usual.

[Tellurian]

1. Sorry, the funding has already been appropriated...

The next vote for War funding will come in the spring..

When Pelosi said she might cut funding for the War..
Republicans just laughed and said.."TOO LATE!

[peace13]

2. Let them laugh but the fact is that the killing will not stop

until we leave Iraq. We have smacked a hornets nest and now our soldiers and the Iraqi people are paying for it. I am truly disgusted by politicians and Americans who do not stand up and actively try to get this thing stopped. As my protest sign says...Don't kill in my name! Peace on earth, Kim

[Tellurian]

3. Agree 110%

The video is geared to misleasd.
It's purpose is to make DEms out to be weak and incompetent.

[peace13]

5. The Dems have an obligation to stop this war!

I don't want to hear a bunch of whining about this. They need to find a solution. Those senators need to address the real problem and get there butts off of the television until they do. That is what makes the Dems look weak. Hemming and hawing without any new ideas. Let's not stand up on national TV and say that we have been hog tied by the thugs! Peace, kim

[corvusblog]

6. Agree 110% - You're Wrong

I made this video and I do not play games in matters of life and death. I am a lifelong Democrat AND a lifelong law-abiding citizen with common sense and experience. There is absolutely nothing misleading about my video, other than the Democrats themselves, when they make fun of the idea of cutting funding as a method of withdrawing troops from Iraq. Any history professor or American old enough to remember will tell you that cutting the funds to the war is what brought the troops home from Vietnam. This is a fact Democrats know, and you should know. I guess you didn't know that, or blindly believed these misleading Democrats.

In my opinion, it's truly disgusting how Democratic politicians are ignoring the lessons of Vietnam.
It's 100% disingenious for Congress to pretend that if they vote no on Bush's upcoming war bill this April, such an action would be harmful to the troops. This is a shameful lie, because Congress keeps billons in the pipeline to facilitate troop withdrawal in the event of an emergency or Congressional/Executive action.

Even the Supreme Court looks to whether or not Congress funds a military action to determine the intent of Congress re: war/military action.

I believe ultimately, the Democrats and Bush will get their way: Democrats will approve Bush's war bill and Bush will approve Democrats' porkbarrel earmarks crossing his desk.
If you don't understand or believe this, you're simply not familiar with how things are done on Capitol Hill.

At any rate, you should be fighting the good fight against these war-mongering greedy people.

[corvusblog]

4. Dear Tellurian:

Dear Tellurian:

This may come as a shock to you, but the Republicans who said, "Too late," are not being truthful.

The funding has NOT already been appropriated...oh how Republicans and Democrats BOTH wish funds were already appropriated, so they could avoid this big showdown on Bush's upcoming war bill Congress will vote on this April.

Please don't go for the ole banana in the tailpipe routine. Contact your Congressperson and tell them to just say NO, to Bush's $100 billon war bill Congress HAS TO vote on this April.

Again, there are several reasons why Republicans are trying to convince you the issue is a moot point - it's not. Check it out.

As Cong. Dennis Kucinich told Wolf Blitzer, there's already money in the pipeline to bring the troops home right now. Bush wants to keep the troops in Iraq till he leaves office, that's why he's pushing his war bill.

[Tellurian]

7. Profound Apologies if the press I read was wrong..

I've been looking for a recent article regarding the Funding.

And most definately will call Sen Reed and Kennedy to stop the funding.

Here ar the most recent articles I found regading Funding for the War:


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/08/democrats.iraq.funding/index.html

At least five bills were introduced last week that would either restrict Bush's ability to add troops or set a deadline for their withdrawal. No hearings or votes have been scheduled on the legislation.

<snip>

A nonbinding resolution does not go nearly far enough for some anti-war lawmakers.

"The advantage is if you get eight or 10 Republicans, a majority of the U.S. Senate repudiates Bush, and that sends a powerful national message,'' said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., who introduced legislation to prohibit the troop increase.

The flip side, Kennedy said, is you allow members to voice their opposition to the war without taking a consequential stand.

Democratic Reps. Lynn Woolsey of Petaluma and Barbara Lee of Oakland -- co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus -- introduced a bill last week with 14 co-sponsors that would demand the withdrawal of all U.S. troops and military contractors from Iraq within six months.

Their bill also would prohibit funding for any more troops, ban permanent U.S. bases in Iraq and rescind the 2002 congressional authorization for Bush to use force in Iraq.

Woolsey described the Senate resolution as "a first step. But while we're doing that, our troops are dying. We need to go beyond talking.''

Lee said she views the nonbinding resolution as a "bill that will allow members to sign on to the second step'' -- the withdrawal plan.

"A lot of us are impatient. But when you see a critical mass building, that's part of democracy,'' Lee said. "Sometimes it takes a while for elected officials to catch up with where the public is.''

The number of lawmakers who support the war is steadily eroding. On the House floor late Thursday, many Democrats who voted in 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq delivered speeches expressing their opposition four years later.

"One of the most difficult things for ... an elected official to say is 'I was wrong. I made a mistake.' I'm here to say that tonight,'' said Rep. Albert Wynn, D-Md. "Assuming the president would not mislead the country, I supported the war. That was a mistake.''

Yet as lawmakers await Bush's address Tuesday to a joint session of Congress, many wonder if he is hearing their objection.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/01/21/MNG2PNMB281.DTL&type=politics

[corvusblog]

8. Profound Apologies - thank you, I understand

Thank you Tellurian for your sincere response. I understand all the confusion, since Dems and Repubs have been generating MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF disinformation and confusion re: cutting funding to this insane war. Let me tell you what Bush and the Zionist neocons who wrote the Iraq War Plan know:

They know that if they can force Dems to approve Bush's war bill this April, that money will be sufficient not only to keep the troops in Iraq, but also to fund an additonal unlawful military action against Iran. It's all about Bush getting approval for his upcoming $100 billion dollar war bill. Bush, Cheney and the Zionist neocons know that if they can just keep the troops in Iraq till Bush leaves office, they will enjoy the following:

- uninterrupted flow of tax dollars to Halliburton's coffers; they can't collect if they're not there in Iraq, and they use our military as their security force;

- in their minds, history will not blame them for losing the war, they believe history will blame the next president and the Democratic Congress for "losing the war" by virtue of "withdrawing the troops."

Can't you just hear Republicans in the future, for decades saying, "It's the Democrats' fault America lost the war in Iraq - Bush did all he could do - he kept the troops there till he left office, and the Democratic Congress and President withdrew them, losing the war."

Mark my words.

[Tellurian]

9. Thanks, you can't imagine how it ruined my day..

to know the info I posted was SO incorrect. The best thing that came of it, I did the research and was able to read the confusing reports myself and thanks to you. Lately, ( since last week) I've noticed the press releases are becoming harder and harder to disseminate; almost like reading the UCC Government Regulations.

I believe there is a concerted effort by the RW media to distort the facts, making it almost impossible for
any citizens to fully have an educated grasp of what is going on and why. I agree with all the reasons you gave above for the continuation of the war. The war must go on for the sole enrichment of neoconic interests. The one thing I would add that we haven't mentioned is the OIL.

They need US security forces there risking their own lives to protect the pipeline. They need the oil contracts signed before spring giving foreign oil companys an outrageous 75% of the profit leaving Iraq a paltry 25% of the proceeds. Besides the raging war and the burgeoning death toll to both our nations. The encroachment of our presence using deadly force destroying an indigenous population simply to enrich a certain segment, mainly government officials, is not only an embarrassment to our country but a tragedy of epic proportions to the World. Enough to make Atlas shrug.

edited adding link:

why this:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Blue_Dogs_announce_Iraq_plan_no_0122.html

[corvusblog]

10. ....my day.....Please don't let stuff ruin your day.....SHOCK & OIL

T, please don't allow any of this to get you down.....if the average person knew 1% of the crime, corruption, backroom deals and shady politickin' that really goes on, they'd fire the entire Congress/government agencies.

Did you see this?

Shock and oil: Iraq's billions & the White House connection

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2152438.ece

and please, by all means, visit here: (I wonder what you'd say about these 3 videos)

Congress Fires Iraq Auditor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiiBuzuGJ2Q

Iraq Ripoff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_996gPqHPM

Dennis Kucinich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbY3PBo5-5Y&eurl=

[Tellurian]

11. great stuff..corv..

the corruption is worse than the average person can ever imagine, I agree.
Have you ever sent any of this stuff to Russert or Olberman?

The US is corrupting the new Iraqi government, for when the bow breaks,
the finger pointing will be blamed on Iraqi officials and the hangings will silence
the sources of corruption. Bowen, the attorney who was let go from the accounting office is
in great danger. I hope he does a video report of naming names and archives it somewhere safe
for future reference. A video may not be acceptable evidence in a court of law (because theres
no way of cross-examining) but it sure as hell can be a road map, all the way to the top of
the food chain.

I guess, it's a fair assumption, ALL of Congress is aware of the pervasiveness of the siphoning
of money going into Republican coffers. Any idea who and how will this corruption be brought to an end?

Can you venture a guess into who's pocket the stolen funds end up?

[corvusblog]

13. The funding has NOT already been appropriated

Dear Tellurian:

This may come as a shock to you, but the Republicans who said, "Too late," are not being truthful.

The funding has NOT already been appropriated...oh how Republicans and Democrats BOTH wish funds were already appropriated, so they could avoid this big showdown on Bush's upcoming war bill Congress will vote on this April.

Please don't go for the ole banana in the tailpipe routine. Contact your Congressperson and tell them to just say NO, to Bush's $100 billon war bill Congress HAS TO vote on this April.

Again, there are several reasons why Republicans are trying to convince you the issue is a moot point - it's not. Check it out.

As Cong. Dennis Kucinich told Wolf Blitzer, there's already money in the pipeline to bring the troops home right now. Bush wants to keep the troops in Iraq till he leaves office, that's why he's pushing his war bill.
http://www.youtube.com/kucinich1

[StrictlyRockers]

12. Good idea.

Amen.

[corvusblog]

14. The funding has NOT already been appropriated

The funding has NOT already been appropriated.
In my opinion, it's truly disgusting how Democratic politicians are ignoring the lessons of Vietnam.
It's 100% disingenious for Congress to pretend that if they vote no on Bush's upcoming war bill this April, such an action would be harmful to the troops. This is a shameful lie, because Congress keeps billons in the pipeline to facilitate troop withdrawal in the event of an emergency or Congressional/Executive action.

Even the Supreme Court looks to whether or not Congress funds a military action to determine the intent of Congress re: war/military action.

I believe ultimately, the Democrats and Bush will get their way: Democrats will approve Bush's war bill and Bush will approve Democrats' porkbarrel earmarks crossing his desk.
If you don't understand or believe this, you're simply not familiar with how things are done on Capitol Hill.

At any rate, you should be fighting the good fight against these war-mongering greedy people.


http://www.youtube.com/kucinich1