New footage of Wright damning US

[jackson_dem]

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[loveangelc]

1. you and everyone else overplayed your hand on this Wright thing.

old story now. also, nothing shocking about it anymore. i was at first. now playing it just seems like beating a dead horse.

[jackson_dem]

3. Good, assuming you are right. Better to get it out now than the fall if he is our nominee

[loveangelc]

4. yeah...I agree. Since he's probably our nominee I think this may be the worse that

could come out about him imo. the good thing about this is that it comes in March and not October. Also everything bad that's been potentially damaging has been about people around him and people he knows, nothing he's done or said.

[jackson_dem]

9. William Ayrers has yet to hit the msm

If Obama sitting in the pews when a racist ranted hurt him wait until the rethugs use his friendship with an unrepentant terrorist. That goes hand in hand with the emerging theme they will use against him: he hates America, can't be trusted on terrorism, etc.

That is a fair point but at some point it reaches a critical mass, especially for someone who points to his alleged judgment as the reason folks should overlook him having no experience.

There is probably a lot more to come out about Obama. The msm did everything they could for him for over a year. They have only given him about 2 weeks of critical coverage. This should be just the tip of the iceberg.

[kmsarvis]

15. Andrew Jackson was a RACIST!!!!!

YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY JACKSON-DEM.

[jackson_dem]

16. So Obama has no credibility either since he considers Jefferson, Jackson, and FDR heroes?

Or ar

[ej510]

22. Can you quote one thing that he said that was racist?

I'm challenging you.

[Faryn Balyncd]

59. ...

[loveangelc]

24. Please. It's not like Hillary doesn't have people she's associated with they could use against her.

He'll just have to prepare for it and fight back. Wait for the GE...I don't think the Right is going to walk away with this at all, and you act as if the entire Democratic party will be so weak that they won't fight back or even throw punches at McCain. There are plenty of people on our side who are going to be looking up dirty on John McCain....and he has dirt. I don't see why you're in such despair that he'll be our nominee because he's going to lose in a landslide because the Republicans are so mean and deceptive.

It's getting ridiculous. You really think Obama and the Democratic party as a whole is going to sit around while the Republicans and McCain walk all over them????? Hell no.

[jackson_dem]

33. Here are the two main reasons why I fear he will lose

1) He has a long way to go when it comes to negatives. He is already losing to McCain. How bad will it be by September if he is the nominee?

2) He bleeds Democratic support. In order to win you need around 90% support from your party.

McCain's negatives will go up too but Obama's will go up faster since McCain is more defined in the public eye. Obama is a blank canvass that the rethugs can paint as racist, unpatriotic, weak, and then there is the obvious experience problem he has.

[loveangelc]

42. Uhhhh, Kerry was leading Bush by almost 10 points at this point in 04.

Polls had Bush the first's challenger up by double digits early on. Guess what...POLLS CAN CHANGE IN THE SPAN OF 8 MONTHS.

McCain probably won't get 90% support from Republicans either.

Obama and the Democrats will have to do a better chance of showing who he is as opposed to the Republicans. I don't believe we know everything there is to know about McCain. We know he was in the Vietnam war, ran in 2000 and that's basically all everyone knows. Maybe not political junkies, but that's all most people in the public know.

People typically don't win when their supporters are all about disliking the opposition and have no passion for their own candidate.

Guess what! Most people care more about change than experience. It will be an obvious choice of change vs. experience debate, and most people are going to choose change imo.

If you're trying to make the case for Hillary, Hillary's negatives are already sky high, and they are probably always going to be higher than McCain's. If Hillary wants to challenge McCain on experience, she is going to lose. At least lets have a clear cut difference. If you don't think Republicans will remind the public of all the scandals of the Clinton's, you're wrong. Also in the highly unlikely event that superdelegates give it to Hillary, how is she going to win when people view her candidacy as selected, not elected, and black people staying home/voting McCain? If you don't think they will, you have never heard an african american talk show or seen a african american website talking about the race. Many comments are they are not going to vote for Hillary if she somehow "stole" the nomination. I was in my car and heard a black talk show host talking with callers and they were all dogging hillar and bill. Black support will be critical, and she won't be getting it. Hillary supporters weak argument is that she already has high negatives, so they can't go up anymore. Riiiight. Her negatives would probably be close to 60% in a GE by October. Obama's will not go up that high. It's a truly stupid argument to make that Hillary should be the nominee because her negatives are much higher than her opponent's.

have a little faith in our candidate and our party. jesus. the election isn't for another 7 months, and if Obama has the thing wrapped up by June, he'll have 5 months to focus on McCain. Like I said, maybe you should be working on trying to take down McCain and explaining why McCain shouldn't and can't win instead of trying to tear down Obama who is all but certain to be our nominee.

When Obama officially becomes the nominee are you still going to spend all your freakin' time talking about why he won't win????? God.

[jackson_dem]

44. Exactly--the "new" candidate goes down as his negatives go up

The same will happen to Obama and he will likely, if nominated, start the general election behind the eight ball.

McCain already is getting the normal level of rethug support. Clinton also gets the same level of Democratic support. It is Obama who has Mondale-like trouble with his own party. Even Dukakis won something like 87% of Democrats.

McCain's negatives will go up but not as fast as Obama's since he is far more defined in the public eye.

That is ironic. Much of Obama's support, especially here, is due to hatred of the Clintons for positions Obama himself holds rather than pro-Obama feeling.

Folks want a basic level of experience/accomplishment in a president, especially during a war. There is a reason no one has ever been elected with as little experience/achievement as Obama going back to 1788...

Her negatives have been the same for a while and she is already competitive with McCain and her electabiliy has steadily improved. I don't worry about her losing by 10 points at the start of the campaign.

That is a problem if she doesn't win the popular vote. If she does that takes the "stolen" argument off the table. She can rectify that to an extent by choosing a black veep. It would still be a problem but we have to do the math. Obama's problems with whites will hurt us more in the presidential contest than Clinton's with blacks. The thing Obama has going for him is the calculus may be different for down ballot races where the white Dems who will vote for McCain over Obama will vote Dem down ticket but blacks for Obama may stay at home altogether in protest.

Her negatives have been the same for years. Negatives aren't the same as electability. She has higher negatives yet she does as well against McCain as Obama. Many folks like Obama but won't vote for him because they don't believe he is up to the job. Again, there is a reason no one with as little experience or achievement as Obama has ever been elected president.

[loveangelc]

48. You are not psychic. How the hell do you claim to know what will happen 8 months from now?

Her choosing a black veep isn't going to do anything. If she "steals" the election from obama black people are going to be angry. Putting a black VP as a prop to get the black vote won't be enough, I don't think black people are that easily satisfied. She isn't going to win the popular vote.

Her negatives being the same for years is a problem. She had a very high approval rating in the late 90s after the Lewinsky scandal. The fact that they have risen so quickly after that is a problem. She hasn't done anything very controversial since she left office. Nothing scandalous has happened since then to her. So why are her negatives so high? And are you really fooling yourself into believing that her negatives can't go up higher? Are you fooling yourself into believing they cannot go up more in a GE?

How do you know that white people will not vote for Obama? Oh, Rev. Wright. Yes, this is going to be the central issue of the election for the next 7 months.

But it's not going to happen imo anyway. Hillary won't be the nominee.

So please tell me can I expect 7 months of Obama bashing from you for the next 7 months? Because if that's so, I'm just going to have to put you on ignore right now, if that's all you're going to talk about.

[loveangelc]

50. I notice you didn't have any reply to my last thread

you like to reply to only certain things ive noticed

thankfully with the click of a button i wont have to worry about that anymore.lol

[progressive_realist]

56. Your claims about experience have been thoroughly debunked

Just as a few examples, Lincoln had almost exactly the same amount of experience as Obama when he took office; Woodrow Wilson had less. Both are considered successful, even great, Presidents. James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson were among the most experienced Presidents and both are considered miserable failures.

[Window]

28. Yeah, I'm sure Hillary has some foul shit planned for Obama. Bring it on.

I'll say it again, if the nomination/presidency is for him, he'll win it. If not, he and his supporters will survive. Since Hillary and her supporters act like your lives depend on her winning the nom/presidency, and she doesn't, will y'all survive. Doesn't look like it.

[jackson_dem]

34. This isn't about candidates. It is about America

As Edwards said, all the candidates will be fine regardless of the result. America won't be if McCain wins.

[Window]

43. Like hell it's not about the candidates. If Hillary continues with her scorched earth tactics,

and Senator Obama ends being up the nominee, he will be so bloodied up --and unfairly so I might add -- from Hillary's shit that McCain will win anyway. And, if by chance Hillary ends up being the nominee -- by some wild shit at the convention -- the republicans already hate her, and she will have effectively alienated the democrats, that McCain will win the GE. Thanks Hillary.

[CatnHat]

53. How naive to think

the Wright story is over. The GE hasn't even started. When the 527's come out with this stuff by the right-wing-- will have a field day--P.S. The story isn't over just because Obama gave a speech--this really offends many Americans, like it or not. Does Obama actually think people are so naive to think by him giving a speech, everything is alright again. Obama again divided not only the democratic party but managed to do it with the very thing he preaches against. How is anyone, other than his supporters, really supposed to trust or believe him?

[lligrd]

2. Exactly How Is This New? Same Old, Tiring BS From You nt

[lyonspotter]

6. "And we never batted an eye!"

In Christianity, the most important thing a person can do, is admit guilt...and ask for forgiveness.

Where in Wright's "rant" is there anything but fact-giving worthing of our request for forgiveness?

Until you answer that question, silence yourself.

[lligrd]

12. WTF? I Don't Think Wright Wants Our Forgiveness

Why should he? He has every right to say whatever he thinks and he basically spoke the truth. And your view of Christianity does not make it a given for the rest of us.

Hope I answered your question so that I could speak again. Although, I have no idea why you asked it or why it was directed at me.

[lyonspotter]

14. It wasn't directed toward you...

I apologize that I inadvertently clicked 'respond' to your post and not the main entry.

But to address your statements: my key claim is that Wright is speaking truth. He is calling OUR attention to the ills we have committed historically. So you and I are on the same page.

[lligrd]

30. I Thought That Might Be The Case

But then again, you could have been one of those looney-tune Hillary supporters not making any sense. Glad to see it was the former. Apologies for my rough reply.

[lyonspotter]

32. Oh not at all...

Not a Hillary fan at all. They had their chance in the 90s, when they screwed things up making way for this administration's disaster and attack on our country, constitution, and rights.

Wow, that became loaded in a hurry!

Anyway, no harm no foul. Obama all the way 08!

BTW, This video is hardly new material. Very misleading post Mr Jackson-Dem.

[stellanoir]

5. All true

Maybe out of all this crap more of us will come to terms and rectify our heinous militaristic and human rites atrocities over time.

[kevinmc]

7. You Do Know that Andrew Jackson Owned 150 slaves?

Little written documentation exists about slave life at The Hermitage. What we know about their daily lives has been retrieved through years of archaeological research at their dwellings and at their work sites.

The Hermitage was a 1,050 acre self-sufficient farm. The slaves performed the hard labor on this farm and as it grew so too did the slave population. In 1804 Jackson owned 9 slaves, by 1829 over 100, and at the time of his death in 1845 approximately 150 slaves lived and worked on the property.

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Although the slaves had some material possessions and lived in what would be considered larger than average slave dwellings, they were none-the-less unfree. While Jackson cared for his slaves as evidenced by adequate food, housing, and the ability of the slave women to reproduce, slavery was a brutal and cruel system. When Jackson felt offenses were severe, he did permit slaves to be whipped and did post runaway notices.

http://www.thehermitage.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=49

[jackson_dem]

8. So did Jefferson. Did you know Obama considers both TJ and AJ heroes of his?

[rch35]

49. Todays conservative is yesterdays progressive.

By that I mean that in many cases direct comparisons of candidates is usually misleading because they are not, obviously, relevant. A more relevant comparison would be that through history candidates have all been part of the upper class, at least they became that at some point before becoming President, and as such, all do things that are typical of the upper class even if they don't all the way believe in them in order to be taken more seriously.

For example, your name is jackson_dem, but I doubt you would be for going all Trail of Tears on the Mexicans asses.

[roguevalley]

54. did you know he lived about 200 years ago? Damned

near everyone was like that then. Very few abolitionists at that point. Frankly, this op posts flame bait and people always respond. Better to let five accolytes kick it up here and let it die of its own innanity. if only clinton supporters post on these threads, they will have their echo chamber and it will fade down the list to the ignominity it deserves.

[Citizen Kang]

10. YAWN

[Buzz Clik]

11. Here's a one minute search for DUers who openly claim to hate America:

I got bored and selected only nine threads. There are many, many more:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x135486
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=132&topic_id=5088928&mesg_id=5103445

Let's give this shit a rest already.

[jackson_dem]

19. DU isn't the real world. This is a place where Wright is more popular than Bill Clinton

The blogosphere is a weird place...

[Buzz Clik]

39. You think we are all pretend people?

If you choose to post that shit every day, we'll be there each time to remind you of how incredibly petty you're being. Until we eventually ignore you altogether.

I really haven't a clue what you hope to accomplish.

[bluestateguy]

13. What is today's latest news on passportgate?

??

[bow-tie]

17. I thought we

were going to "Let it sink"???

[malik flavors]

18. There's nothing new in this footage. I think someone strangely added a singing choir

to the background though.

if anybody wants to see this sermon in full context go here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

He speaks alot about what a tragedy 9/11 was and instead of attacking Iraq we should search for peace within.

Don't let the conservative news channels and undercover conservatives like this thread starter destort your views on the issues.

[nashville_brook]

20. you edited main point of the sermon out -- that hatred for military adversaries has been turned to

"innocent babies" -- the Psalm that is his faith teaching for the sermon. the structure of a sermon is that there's usually a bible verse that is the "faith teaching" of the day/week, and the body of the sermon illustrates that passage.

his faith teaching after 9-11-2001 was to beware of turning animosity for terrorist/military action toward innocent civilians. that you can't just go and bomb a country of innocents -- you have to turn that "hatred" toward the military armies for this is the teaching of the lord.

this is a powerful and important message.

confessing sin is also big in the church setting, and by speaking of our past sins, we might repent -- we might change. we might atone for those sins.

or we can totally fuck it up like we did.

his words are even more powerful and important today than they were then. we've acquired more chickens.

[stratomagi]

21. Perhaps you've never read

A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn, a lot of the stuff Wright says is in there. I'd like you to play this video and point out where he's factually innacurate.

[goletian]

23. this isnt new footage. - nt

[kirby]

25. Here is the actual link without the Freeper soundtrack

and more context to the speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

[jackson_dem]

35. Let's get fucking real. The rethug Wright ads won't include that

[kirby]

36. No, I countered your ignorance with facts and context...

That is the way you fight ignorance. There is no way to defend against out of context clips. Just like extrapolating
what was in Hillary's mind based on her recently released First Lady schedules is out of context.

[jackson_dem]

37. "I voted for it before I voted against it"

That was true. How did countering that with the truth work?

[kirby]

40. You can inform people...

But you cannot force them to change their minds, especially when they are closed.

Kerry was very weak on his response to that attack ad from Bush in '04.

The following morning he went on the Today show and when confronted with the flip-flop, he said

"It just was a very inarticulate way of saying something, and I had one of those inarticulate moments late in the evening when I was dead tired in the primaries and I didn't say something very clearly," he said.

But as I said, you can inform people, but cannot force them to change their closed minds.

[Window]

26. That footage is NOT new, and I challenge you to listen to the beginning

of that same video and get back to me. It's posted in a bunch of threads.

[CreekDog]

27. funny, i didn't hear the word "damn" once

:eyes:

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[Peregrine Took]

29. Americans aren't ready to hear the truth. They will always reject it as it

goes against their idea of "America."

[BlueJac]

31. Yawn

[mckara]

38. Yes America...

THE TRUTH HURTS! DOESN'T IT?

[Divine Discontent]

41. I've held off putting you on ignore for the longest time...

this is old footage that was played on the 1st day of the controversy, and you continue to be the most vehemently partisan of Clinton backers. shame on you jackson_dem. These tactics don't shock me. Considering all the crap coming out of the dirtiest Democratic campaign in my 24 years of watching politicians fight for the presidency, to see one of the Clinton-Army choosing to put up a "new footage of Wright damning US" video on DU is not surprising.

Welcome to ignore, I'm sure there's plenty doing the same thing.

[Herman Munster]

45. Anyone know what movie the soundtrack is from?

It sound familar and I just can't place it.

[DutchLiberal]

46. I love this man! Finally somebody with the guts to tell the truth! Can't he be Obama's vicepresident

Why is everybody condemning this man and what he says? Is it not true what he says? Does he not state historical facts? From the right, I expect this man to be blackened, because they want to remain willfully ignorant of US history so they can live on in the idyll of the perfect America; and America with a sugarcoated history of goodness and greatness. But it saddens me to see the left also trying to discredit this man, e.g. by using suggestive headlines like "Footage of Wright damning US".

[Herman Munster]

47. it's not whether it is true or not

it's how the republicans will use it to make obama into an anti-american manchurian candidate.

This makes him an extremist in our conservative country. DU is not reflective of America. This video is radioactive.

[DutchLiberal]

60. And it's the Democrats' task to make it NON-radioactive; and make it acceptable.

Instead of downplaying the comments made by the reverend, or stating they strongly disagree with them, the Democrats should stop letting themselves be held hostage by the fake patriotism from the right and say: "YES, we agree with reverend Wright because it's TRUE." The constant playing along with the Republicans in the phony who-loves-America-most game means that the Democrats will always be on the defense instead of on the offense, like they are in the Wright-case, while the right continues to shape the debate. Why won't Democrats understand this?

[richz4life]

51. good luck

this doesnt make much of a difference. It will come up at the general election again, but Obama will still win. Good luck.

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[ClayZ]

55. Dr. Wright is right!

K and R

[Better Believe It]

58. I Liked His Sermon

What's the "problem"? Pretty good speech.

[AmericanUnity]

61. HE'S READING A FOXNEWS TRANSCRIPT OF STATEMENTS BY AMB. EDWARD PECK. OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T SHOW THAT

[AmericanUnity]

62. HOW KARL ROVE OF YOU NOT TO INCLUDE HIS ATTRIBUTION TO AMB. EDWARD PECK SAYING THIS ON FOXNEWS

2:50 INTO THIS VIDEO HE CLEARLY SAYS HE'S READING A TRANSCRIPT FROM FOXNEWS THE DAY BEFORE WHERE AMBASSADOR EDWARD PECK, 32 YEAR CAREER DIPLOMAT MAKES THE STATEMENTS THIS MORON IS IMPLYING WRIGHT MADE UP HIMSELF

GO TO 2:50 AND LISTEN FROM THERE.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

[AmericanUnity]

63. HERE'S THE COMPLETE VIDEO GO TO 2:50 AND LISTEN FROM THERE On...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

[ShortnFiery]

64. More B.S. guilt by association, aye?

Gee, at one point in time, my father was given an invitation to join The Birch Society. Now even though some within my family remain "dyed in the wool" right leaning ultra-conservatives, Dad was smart enough to decline.

However, did some of this history of MY FAMILY ties end up to deny myself with a Security Clearance and four years honorable service in Army Intelligence? ... uh, NO!

It should also be noted that HRC wasn't granted a Security Clearance that those within Intelligence and others within the Executive Branch are assessed and granted. Why? She was First Lady and did NOT have a "need to know." Therefore, all HRC's claims about "brining peace to Ireland and Bosnia" are, to say the least, highly exaggerated, i.e., she was NOT present during those "highly classified" and delicate negotiations.

It's time to "give it up" because these immature tactics of smearing a candidates through associations is NOT going to bear fruit.

NOT. THIS. TIME. :thumbsdown:

[seabeyond]

65. my old conservative father living in texas is on obama's side with this

talking to my father this morning he wanted to talk about obama and his speech. i had stopped talking to family about politics cause they are such republicans. my father is so on obama's side and thinks it is horrible what people are doing with this and thought obamas speech simple, .... kick ass

i thought that was pretty nifty of my dad. i was proud