A preview of how the rethugs will swiftboat Obama over his mentor/pastor

[jackson_dem]

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For those of you who think pastorgate is no big deal watch this video.

[tabatha]

1. you people are SOOOOO pathetic...

good grief, the country is going to hell in a hand basket

[bdamomma]

88. exactly, this whole thing is a setup by Rovian tactics

to keep on dividing the Democratic party, and they (neo cons) are doing a their damnest to wedge and divide us all. Cheney and neo cons are just laughing at all of us.

We must unite, and stop them from taking us down this road of darkness.

[butterfly77]

90. It doesn't matter...

they can't handle the truth, it is not what he said it is the fact that they don't like the way he said it, can pastor wright help it that he has a whole lot of soul. Have they ever listened to James Brown? Before the republiCOns came out of there little treasure chest, a lot of Obama supporters said they could take them on what is their problem I am sure they all should have known that this is what would be said just because of his blackness. The problem is that everytime a black person gets angry or tells the truth the media tries to portray blacks as militant.

[niceypoo]

122. None of this will matter in 8 months

It will be long dead by then

Why even worry about it?

[papau]

2. But we have dirt on McCain's church past to respond with - below

McCain was raised in the Episcopal church, his great-grandfather was an Episcopal minister, and he graduated from an Episcopal high school. Today, however, he attends the North Phoenix Baptist Church which is part of the Southern Baptist Convention. In 2007 he described himself as Baptist rather than Episcopalian and emphasized how important being a Christian is to him. In his book Character is Destiny he says that his religious faith helped him survive his years as a POW. McCain's church's theology is that Jesus chose to die on the cross as a sacrifice to pay a penalty the rest of us owed God, even though Jesus himself led a sinless life.


Staff Names and Titles: North Phoenix Baptist Church
Dan Yeary, Pastor
Dick Stafford, Associate Pastor
Dave Murray, Executive Pastor & Chief Operating Officer
Maxie B. Burch, Associate Pastor for Faith Development
Steve Hayes, Associate Pastor for Community Engagement
John Shillington, Associate Pastor of Worship, Music and Prayer
Matt Madison, Family Minister
Delia Comon, Preschool Minister
Karyn Sheets, Minister to Children
JonMark Shillington, Minister to Students
Marilyn Nash, Single Adult Minister
Jim Rentz, Minister to Senior Adults
Ann McCulloch, Children’s Ministry Associate
Robert Smith, Associate Minister to Students
Scott Savage, Ministry Associate for College/Young Adults
Julie Voyce, Music Associate, part-time
Jim Helman, Minister of Instrumental Music/Prayer
Robert Payne, Associate in Music Ministry and Crash Ministry
Ruth Lewis, Associate in Music Ministry
Brandon LeTarte, Director of the Family Life Center
Daniel Malakowsky, Sports Outreach Coordinator
Dan Geer, Fitness Coordinator

[grantcart]

48. yes and he has gone out of his way to beg support from some of the

most incindiary kookiest ministers in history.

[pnwmom]

52. I don't understand what point you're making. "McCain's theology,"

as you describe it, is basic Christian theology -- Episcopalians believe in it as much as Baptists do.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

66. Europeans are laughing at us again for making Obama's pastor seem horrible for telling the truth

But aside from the fact that Europeans think we're totally fucked up and mentally ill for shit like that, the *only* thing they have on Obama, they made up. After all, nothing he said is a lie. Just that Repukes like to pretend it's a crime to say things that are true.

Lastly, the only reason this bullshit poppped out now is because Hillary is running against Obama, and Hillary and the Repukes hope she ends up as the Dem nominee.

Otherwise, the Repukes would've kept it nice and safe for the General Election. By the time the General Election rolls around, the Obama preacherman Repuke outrage will have disappeared and all that will be left will be the murder of Vince Foster and the other accusations the Repukes have made against Hillary Clinton.

[doc03]

98. The last time I checked Europeans don't vote here. n/t

[INDIA]

108. Europe can laugh all they want. The Pastor is an idiot. Obama seems to agree with me.

And Obama showed poor judgment by associating so closeley with him, not to mention I have a hard time believing he NEVER heard him say anything like this in 20 years ( Obama's first lie! How cute! They grow up so fast.)I don't think this will sink his campaign, but it was a GIANT blunder, especially considering he kept bringing the church up

And anybody who believes that the US government invented AIDS to kill blacks is "the truth" is a fucking idiot. Not to mention we deserved 9/11. OBL carried out 9/11 because the Saudi Arabian government INVITED an American military presence in country to counter Saddam Hussein. OBL didn't like "infidels" in his precious muslim holy lands. The fact that Wright gave that sermon just weeks after 9/11, and that his parishoners were jumping up and down and clapping, makes me WANT TO PUKE.

Religious bigotry and extremeism caused 9/11. Not US foreign policy. But feel free to justify it all you want.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

123. If you had bothered to listen to his speech, you'd have known that Obama does not agree wth you

at all. And the preacher is not an idiot. He told the truth. A person who denies the truth, is an idiot.

[doc03]

97. So, all I see is a bunch of names, so what. Dirt

what dirt? Let's see Dan Geer, fitness coordinator, does he have pointy hat and white sheet in closet or something? Jim Helman, Minister of Instrumental Music/Prayer, what was he one of the Manson gang?

[indimuse]

3. vanilla..

compared to what the peeps with the $$$ will do...

[Yes We Did]

4. I don't care. Nothing Wright said was incorrect.

You may not like how he said it, but what he said was true. I'm sorry if the truth hurts, but sometimes it has to in order for change to happen.

[maddiejoan]

5. You might wish to bring that up with Obama

He doesn't agree with you.

[RBInMaine]

21. It was OVER THE TOP, and you don't verbally affront the "country."

There is a BIGTIME difference between criticizing the government and criticizing the "country". The COUNTRY is much, much more than the government and bad government policy. OBAMA has rightly said these statements were "STUPID". They were flawed, unfair, and unhealthy. Certainly not what MLK would have condoned. That all said, Obama has responded to this matter satisfactorily, and we don't need to keep abetting the right wing corporate media's effort to derail this candidacy to help Hillary who they think will be easier for McCain to defeat in the fall.

[NYVet]

69. You're kidding right??

The US government created AIDS to kill the blacks? We deserved 9/11? You are f'n kidding me...

[beezlebum]

73. .

fuck it.

[Little Star]

76. Obama Basically says that Wright was incorrect in some of these statements.

:shrug:

[Dave From Canada]

116. So AIDS was acutally created by the government to kill Blacks? And FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor

attack and let it happen? And Truman's actions to end WWII are equivalent to Al Qaeda? The truth may hurt, but that ain't the truth.

[Buzz Clik]

6. Preview? Preview!!!??? Have you been to GD-P this weekend? 24/7 of this same shit.

[waiting for hope]

7. I can see them now -

Karl Rove is sitting in some sweaty little back room, pulling all this together, piecing it to hit each demographic and calling all the RW 527's that owe him favors. It's not going to be pretty. Damn, I miss John Edwards.

[Michael101]

8. No one cares..

At least not the left. So take that crap to the right wingers where they will devour and dissect it.

Go join them and take your whole righteous attitude with you.

[jackson_dem]

9. Wright has a 8% favorable rating in the real world

The fact Obama's base is so out of touch is very scary and revealing. Do we want these folks to run the party?

[thunder rising]

10. Nothing more deadly than the fearful white American Christian.

[Michael101]

12. Who are these folks?

and why do you say they are scary and out of touch. If you haven't notice Clinton and Obama have the same agenda.

The Obama people are more enthusiastic because they're young. That is all.

[waiting for hope]

15. Really? Really - take a look at

who Obama has had to distance himself from. jackson_dem's reply had nothing to do with his voting public, but the people that are advising and surrounding him.

[Michael101]

16. Get to your point..

what is it really that you want to say.

That Obama is a bigot. That he hates America.

Tell me because I don't know what this Wright guy has to do with the way Obama is going to run this country.

Will he make us attend reverend's Wright church every Sunday?

Will Obama sit in his dungeon and think of ways to kill white people? Black Power.

What are you insinuating.

[waiting for hope]

27. Not at all - and how you are inferring

that from my answer is beyond me - you have missed the entire point of this post completely but may I remind you of:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/08/AR2008030801736.html

A foreign policy adviser to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama resigned on Friday after calling campaign rival Hillary Clinton a "monster" during an interview with a British newspaper.

Samantha Power, a foreign policy aide on the Illinois senator's White House campaign, said the comments were inexcusable. They were published on Friday by The Scotsman newspaper.

Or this one:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/67003/

Barack Obama has alienated a large number of black gays and lesbians for giving musician Donnie McClurkin, an "ex-gay," a platform for his campaign in South Carolina.

Sad, disappointed and more than a little hurt.

That's how many Americans who are both black and gay sound these days when they talk about Barack Obama.

What's upsetting them is that the Democrat, despite stellar gay-rights positions, sat back and allowed a gospel concert for his presidential campaign to essentially spiral into an anti-gay revival.

How? As part of wooing black evangelicals in high-stakes South Carolina, his campaign gave star billing at an event to Grammy-winning gospel singer and preacher Donnie McClurkin, a self-identified "ex-gay" claiming to have been saved from "perversion."

That is not the right talking, but the left. The right has already picked up on how all of this is tearing up the Dem party. As for the other things you are insinuating about me, you can not be more wrong. But, if this is how you defend your candidate, no wonder so many Obama supporters are alienating those still undecided. This is the real criticism he will face if he gets the nomination. Deal with it and for goodness sake, do it with a bit more class and style - not by race baiting me and calling me a bigot.

[jackson_dem]

34. They are out of touch. Only 8% of the nation is enthusiastic about Wright

In the real world Wright is as toxic as Phelps.

Obama's hardcore supporters are out of touch. Most of his voters aren't but the ones that are the true believers, that ones that volunteer for the campaign, the ones that contribute as much as they can are. Just look at their reaction to pastorgate. They reacted, with maybe three or four posters who are exceptions, by 1) saying the agreed with Wright 2) playing the race card. Great strategy! :eyes:

[bowens43]

62. You're completely delusional.

[Megahurtz]

103. Bullshit.

And you are a troublemaker.

[jjr5]

22. Do you honestly think that ALL of Obama's base thinks like his preacher?

What are you talking about? This happened in one church, and I'm sure that not even everyone in that church community feels the same way that his preacher does. My goodness, I feel like people are taking this wayyyy out of context and out of hand. These are the feelings of one preacher and only a few members of communities that have confronted discrimination in this country. For goodness sake, how did U.S. Muslims feel about this country after the biased incidents towards them following September 11th?

[jackson_dem]

35. The hardcore do. Just look at the Obamites here!

Yeah, Wright has had it tough living in a $750,000 house and driving a Mercedes. :sarcasm:

[jjr5]

58. What???

I was going to explain to you that just because a black man might be rich in this country, that doesn't mean that he hasn't encountered racism in his life. Especially if he or she is rich and has had to work hard to get that "money."

What does how much he earns NOW have to do with racism. This shows me that you could a little out of touch with what minorities have faced in this country.

[beezlebum]

74. sounds like you're pretty fucking racist yourself jd.

[Megahurtz]

104. ...

[NedSchneebly]

92. Well, atleast Obama has distanced himself from Wright n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

55. those silly out of touch voters

tisk tisk no wonder Hillary wants Delegates to ignore the voters.

[LSK]

100. WHO THE FUCK HAS DONE A POLL ON OBAMAS PASTOR???

:wtf:

[waiting for hope]

11. The election is not going to be

won by the sheer will of Democratic Underground - get over yourself, I live in a very red state and this type of exposure over his religious connections will be used as a voting cry for McCain. Bet on it.

[pnwmom]

54. A lot of the moderates and independents that Obama was hoping to appeal to

WILL care, unfortunately.

My brother is a huge supporter of Obama, but he works a blue collar job with a lot of Reagan-Democrats -- and he's afraid that this issue could drive them all over to McCain.

[doc03]

99. Exactly, I work in a Union shop and the majority

always vote Democrat, not this time? Wake up this just isn't going to blow over, there is no way he can finesse his way around this with bullshit.

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[Number23]

60. Not Pointless

Malik, by posting these videos, what he's doing is far from pointless or harmless but he's definitely spooking people. That was some mighty fine and fancy editing in that video, wasn't it?? Particularly when Baracks' statement that he repudiates the message but not the man somehow is only stated as "I won't repudiate the man."

Someone took the time to pour over Barack's statements about Wright; go through Wright's sermons; Michelle and Barack's 60 Minutes interview; dig up some Malcolm X video and then had the nerve to use one of my FAVORITE tracks of all time (Public Enemy's "Fight the Power," which ironically speaks quite forcefully about American racism) as the soundtrack. People who have that kind of time have an agenda too and I'm betting it isn't Spread the Truth.

All this time, all these people -- mostly white -- said that Barack wasn't "black enough" because had never experienced the Black American experience because of his family background. He's damn sure experiencing it now.

[Alpharetta]

14. Obama has a pastor? But they were telling me he's Moslem

This is very confusing.

First they say he's Moslem and grew up in a Madrassa -- I saw this on FoxNews.

Now they've got a problem with his pastor?

Maybe they meant mullah?

[NOLALady]

51. He's a Muslim Pastor.

It's something new.

[Hyper_Eye]

17. Even if you had a point I can't watch a video that annoying

Why is it that every time I watch an anti-Obama video it is chalk full of annoying random repeats of single words? Do you not have enough content to fill the video length you want? I got about 30 seconds into the video and I couldn't stand it anymore.

BTW... when we bombed Japan we did kill way more people then were killed on 9/11. That doesn't make 9/11 alright by any means but the guy didn't say anything that wasn't true. We have used the single worst weapon in the history of the world... twice... and nobody in this country ever wants to contemplate how many people it killed during the explosion and for decades after. You can make an argument that ending the war early by dropping the bomb saved lives but 95% of the people killed by those bombs were civilians. They were civilians just like the people that died on 9/11 and it was equally tragic.

[durrrty libby]

18. There are dozens of these out there already

Just wait until he gives his Romney Religion speech

We all know how much that helped:eyes:

[jjr5]

25. Reverand Wright used the same firey tone many pastors do, and he said the truth.

If you can't accept or see what he said as the truth, seeing American history, you should take a look at yourself.

[durrrty libby]

30. Sorry, this will not fly with voters no matter how much Kool-Aid you

swill down

And BTW I think most preachers are full of shit, but preachers
like Wright are the whole overflowing shit tank

[jjr5]

59. That's fine. But for many Americans in this country black, white and everything in between . . .

Preachers are the people to whom they go and listen every Sunday, and what they say matters. I'm not going to look up & post exactly how many people go to to church, in this country, on a regular basis, because I know its a lot. However, you should consider the fact that these may in some ways reflect the views of several voters in this country - especially the "EVANGELICAL" voters - whatever that means anyway. I know a lot of Evangelicals who don't vote a certain way b/c of their religion, but whatever. . .

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[lyonspotter]

23. It's simple: Here's how it works...

...until McCain can suppress the ideologies supported by the maniacal John Hagee, the fanatical pastor who endorsed him last week, Obama has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of radical religious belief or affiliation.

[Seabiscuit]

39. You're overlooking the whole point: the MSM doesn't have a half dozen video clips

of McCain's pastor flailing around and shrieking racist and sexist crap like a black Rush Limbaugh on speed that they can play day in and day out until every last voter sees it and hears it so often they all want to puke. On the day after the story broke I had MSNBC going in one room while assembling three sets of bookshelves in another: I don't know how many times I heard them play Wright's video clips, but it must have been at least once or twice for every station break all day long. Every time they interviewed another guest on whatever show happened to be on they'd play several clips of Wright for the new guest to comment on.

Imagine, then, what it will be like during the GE if Obama gets the nomination: solid daily coverage on the MSM like this, and during the station breaks, we all get to listen to and watch all the ugly Barack-bashing 527 ads that Rove can round up.

[lyonspotter]

40. If the MSM

doesn't have the clips of Hagee, I can certainly supply them with a library of foolish and insane sermons he has given over the years.

Besides, Hagee is represented pretty well on YouTube, so the public should be up in arms about the double standard against Obama right now. There is no reason why the MSM is not bombarding viewers about how crazy McCain's acceptance of Hagee's endorsement is EXCEPT that the MSM wants McCain to be the next POTUS.

Beyond pathetic.

[Seabiscuit]

44. Well, I for one would applaud you if you supplied them with such clips of Hagee.

But you know, the Repukes control the MSM, so they probably wouldn't be interested, or they would have played them all already if they're currently available on YouTube.

It doesn't matter which Democratic candidate was running - if the MSM can dig up any clips of someone to make that candidate look bad, they'll run with it. Not true with Repuke candidates.

Maybe "the public" would be "up in arms about the double standard" if they were aware of it. But 90% of them are not, because they're not paying attention the way DUers do.

Of course the MSM wants McCain to be the next POTUS. That's why they've been trashing Hillary for years now, and finally, now that they think Obama has the nomination all sewn up because they've been building him up all year, they're beginning to take him down. At least enough to keep this race going all the way to the convention, where they're hoping all hell will break loose, destroying the Dem party for the remainder of the year, and in time for the GE. And they're willing to play and replay those Wright tapes any time they want to to achieve their ultimate goal. Look at how they destroyed Howard Dean with the altered "Scream Speech" 4 years ago. They played their adulterated version (with the background noise cut out) all day long, day after day from the Iowa Caucus to the New Hampshire Primary, just to bury him once and for all. All 3 major cable network channels were guilty of this: Fox, CNN and MSNBC.

[iamjoy]

57. McCain & Falwell

All they need is clips of Falwell blaming 9-11 on the feminists and abortionists and then show McCain next to him at Liberty University.

And if you think Hillary Clinton can't be swiftboated, think again. Even if everything scandalous came out years ago, voters have forgotten and will just need a few strategic reminders done up this way.

[Seabiscuit]

91. Why do you say

"And if you think Hillary Clinton can't be swiftboated, think again."

Sure, Hillary and Barack can both be "swiftboated", but that's an entirely different subject. And what on earth led you to say that I don't think Hillary can be swiftboated?

I wasn't talking about Hillary, I was talking about the MSM and the Repukes. And I wasn't talking about swiftboating (which refers to the 527's that *lied* about Kerry's war record), I'm talking about the MSM and the Repukes using any piece of embarassing information, such as the Wright videos, which don't involve lies, but rather embarassing information.

So don't make this about Hillary vs. Barack.

[Tafiti]

24. Tiresome, to say the least.

Preview of the swiftboating by rethugs? I'd say Clinton supporters ("fellow Democrats!") are doing a damn good job of it already. The Democratic party needs to wake the fuck up. Clinton supporters + Sean Hannity + Rush Limbaugh -- you know what they say, politics can make for strange bedfellows. You must be so proud.

Fucking pathetic. :thumbsdown:

[Bonobo]

26. Now I am certain that you disgust me.

The shot of the Olympian champions, their fists help up in silent protest, is a holy one to many who hold freedom to be dear.

You disgust me, Jackson_Dem whoever the fuck you are.

Loved the PE rap at the end to really drive home the idea that Blacks are disloyal and dangerous. Beautiful.

You disgust me.

[ClayZ]

53. I will second that!

And then go click my ignor button for "Jackson_Dem".....That makes 4 so far.



P.S.

Pastor Wright, is right!

[Middle finga]

28. If Barack can't make it to the WH then black and brown people

can forget about ever seeing a non white as president of this country. Barack is what older blacks would consider a "Good Negro" this guy bent over backwards to keep race out of this campaign as to not make white people uncomfortable even to a point where some blacks were upset with him because he seemed to ignore the issues concerning the AA community. His mom is white, he was raised by white grand parents but yet he is still too black and too scary for white people. I'm tired of seeing Barack having to go through these double standards, it's like the media got him on his knees trying to make him submit. Like in the movie Roots when they beat Kunta Kinte until he "submitted" and said his slave name.

[billbuckhead]

31. You can't run a non racial campaign and then have this guy Wright in the closet

20 years with this guy as spiritual advisor speaks volumes of how Hillary's opponent has run his campaign.

[jackson_dem]

36. Exactly. You can't talk about "unity" and "getting beyond race" in public and then do this privately

[theredpen]

29. OMG! Preaching while Uppity

What does Hannity have to say about it?

[Diane R]

32. This is a disgusting thread.

[ima_sinnic]

33. gee, what a "godsend" this whole thing is for you, eh "jackson dem"?

like Billary doesn't have enough baggage to sink a fucking battleship. and the pukes won't walk over hot coals for miles in their bare feet to vote against her. you're lovin it, eh? as babs would say, it's working out quite nicely . . . esp. since you're so eager to keep it going . . .
now run run like a good little puppy dog and go lap up some more of that hannity limpball bullshit stew and then be sure to come around du spewing your scary black man crap.

[jackson_dem]

38. Did you hear Edwards is supposedly endorsing Clinton?

It may not be a coincidence this report came after pastorgate. Obama is unelectable now and Edwards must know it.

Clinton now does better against Obama than McCain with Obama falling like a rock. He is down 6 points in performance against McCain relative to Hillary from just last month,

[emilyg]

42. I heard he's endorsing Clinton.

[jackson_dem]

43. Yeah, I apologize to Hillary for typing Obama by mistake

;)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

65. Was it in the news? Some obscure page? Like page 50? lol nt

[Umbram]

71. You called it.

There are some posters here who actually ENJOY watching Dem candidates get ripped up. You've found one of them.

[superkia]

37. How stupid has America become? It doesnt matter what shit...

someone slings your way, what matters is whether or not you are stupid enough to take their word without educating yourself. So if Americans are still that fucking stupid, they deserve whatever president the system gives them. I myself am able to think on my own without the help of the media and educate myself before making decisions. I dont just listen to CLIPS or bits of twisted information, I try to look at the whole picture.

Maybe some of you cant think for yourselves and you believe that this crap matters but not me. Go get in line with your fellow sheep and don't worry about thinking, life is easier for you that way. :sarcasm:



I take it you are one that will fall for this kind of stuff by your quote? Go join the herd if you are, FEMA has camps setup for you and all you will have to do is some work, they will take care of everything else for you.



Instead of posting the video and telling people its a big deal, maybe you could post it and explain to everyone that its all nonsense and help Americans make this country better. I am so sick of the same people that complain about America, going around and helping the media do its job to brainwash us.

[Quantess]

41. Bleh. It was far too irritating to watch it to the end.

The editing was stupid. Was it just my computer, or was it skipping on purpose?

Anyway, it's overblown. And it fails to make me upset with Obama. :boring:

[Megahurtz]

106. No some low IQ Fuckwad

edited it that way.

[peoli]

45. I wish I could say Fuck You and not get reported.

[dionysus]

78. i'll do it for ya!!

hey OP, fuck you...

[Spiffarino]

120. I'll see that "Fuck you"

...and raise it to a "Kiss my ass".

[Politicalboi]

46. I am not black

I have no idea how these people see the good old US of A. I do happen to be gay but that is a different story. How can we as whites judge black churches. Like Obama has said these are the older generation feelings not his. And if this is going to be a 527 smear then go ahead. Maybe it's time to shed some light of the hatred that has been said from the evangelicals who support the right wing nuts.

[pedo]

47. preview? you mean "how hillary supporters are swiftboating obama right now"

i love how you people smear obama then say this is what republicans will do, because they are evil.

[Quantess]

49. It's very transparent.

[nvme]

80. desperate times seeks desperate measures.

Sad, how in the name of "this is how the Re pubs will act", we seek to denigrate a good man. The federal reserve has OKed and continues to bailout our markets at the cost of the US Dollar. Our standing in the world is for shit. How many banks or investment banks will collapse in the coming months. Yet the level of discourse has sunk to first he is not a muslim then, he is not the right kind of christian, followed by his preacher is a radical. My god how desperate this race has become. If anything is anti-American it would be this topic. The topic of religion in politics. Since freedom of speech covers even hate speech, continue discuss. It is better this come out now then later. that still leaves 4 more weeks before the next contests. Damage control will put this lil fire out very soon. Remember the sheeple have extremely short memories. (Mark Foley) do you remember who he was? Thank him for the 06' coup. Let this run its course because this is a non-event manufactured by whom? Who thinks this is news? Who tipped the media? Who stands to gain? What purpose did it serve? One last though. I never knew it was illegal to say"God Damn America" I never knew it was illegal to criticize American Foreign Policy. I really don't care for the remarks made by the Reverend. Yet I believe in his right to say it. Censorship is ugly, it prevents us from looking behind the curtain

[jaysunb]

50. why are you helping ???? ( repubs)

n/t

[GMFORD]

56. Doesn't scare me any.

Do you want to know how to counter a piece of shit like that cobbled together video? Dig up the source, that's how. The message then changes to look at the horrible stuff that's coming out from . Because that's really what it's about isn't it? Once the Kerry swiftboaters were exposed to the light of day, their 'message' was exposed for the crap that it was.

[hilltop]

61. Suicide is painless

It brings on many changes

[NedSchneebly]

93. Ah, another M.A.S.H. Fan!

[elleng]

63. THE POINT OF THIS,

I think, is to keep this non-issue in front of everyone at DU, so we won't spend time looking at the true merits of the candidates.

This is what the Republicans want Democrats to do.

IGNORE THIS baloney, and get down to the real business before us, please.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

64. Surely you jest. Hillary Clinton will be dragged through the mud

with the same trash the Repukes have always trashed her with (the murder of Vince Foster, et al), but you're worried about Obama's pastor? If I were you, I'd worry more about why Republicans are out there in every blog, message board, etc. saying that if Clinton runs, she's toast.

[nickn777]

67. This is why we need Gore...

but that ain't happening so Hillary will have to be acceptable. But Obama CANNOT win a GE. Everyone is flying off the handle at this video but it's a cold dose of REALITY. It's a great sample of the kinds of crap that will be out there in September. It may disgust many here, but how do you think this type of video is going to play to swing voters or lower income, working class white voters?

[hell-bent]

94. Yes, let the convention

nominate Gore to be re-elected! The other two are too toxic in my opinion. Gore-Clark! However, Clinton would be the better choice than Obama after all this"pastorgate".

[Vinca]

68. Either of our candidates will be Swift Boated. The 'pukes

will try to scare the dim bulbs into believing the Black Panthers are after them or they'll wave cigars and blue, stained dresses. Take your pick. Those who think Hillary will magically float through the election process unscathed because she's not Bill are delusional.

[Dinger]

70. That Is A Sad Fact

And Hillary's been through it before, not that Obama hasn't, but:
1) She's been through it.
2) She's seen her family go through it,
3) for over 20 years

And I don't think Hillary "will magically float through the election process." But I do think she's better equipped to
deal with it than Obama is.

[nvme]

81. so far Obama has held his own

did you forget the madrassa then the jesse jackson then Geraldine ferraro then Rezko. all the while Obama has kept composure. and meanwhile camp hillary gets nastier and nastier. its nice to watch the implosion of camp clinton.

[Dinger]

86. I Asked Here About Info On Obama's "madrassa", ANd Defended Him To My In-Laws,

who stay in Arizona. They are Dems, but they get repuke shit shoved in their faces every year, and come back to Wisconsin each spring with a fucked up prespective. Anyway, My father in law said that Obama was a Muslim, and I asked here for resources to defend that lie. I got good info, and dad-in-law & mom-in-law now know better.

Ding

P.S. I'll see if I can find that link.

[Dinger]

89. Found The Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4140337#4140337

[LuckyTheDog]

72. It's a smear

Scroll down to the bottom and watch the video clip. The head of the United Church of Christ recently visited Obama's church.

Does it look like the United Church of Christ is a "black separatist" organization? Does the congregation seem to hate white people?

http://www.ucc.org/news/responding-to-wright.html

Maybe Fox News is not telling the whole story?

[beezlebum]

75. sure

right, because hillary has been "vetted," right? she's completely electable, and obama is not, right? yeah, she's been vetted, and obama hasn't. her taxes/earmarks won't haunt her, or NAFTA, neither will vince foster, right? right? no one would DARE make up stories or exaggerate about the clintons and their disreputable associations!

[dionysus]

77. thanks for the concern, douchebag troll....

:eyes:

[hell-bent]

95. Hey, I got tomb stoned for using the term "DB"

years ago. You must be something special, eh. :wtf:

[Spiffarino]

118. I got a lot of love for using "douchebag" once

:shrug:

[gtar100]

79. Anyone who swallows this already wanted it. Nothing but distortions.

I for one will not base my judgments on clear distortions of the truth. Let's rise above this crap by calling it what it is - worthless.

Quick points:

1) Taken out of context.

2) Audio manipulated.

3) Video manipulated.


If this video gives you hope that Ms. Clinton will prevail, I would question the ground you're willing to stand on. Are you so willing to trash Obama when there is still the chance he may be the only candidate standing between you and unhindered fascism under McCain? I'd call that bad judgment on your part. There are so many good reasons to support Clinton that have nothing to do with trashing Obama. Use the truth, it has a sharp and solid edge.

Everything in this video was taken out of context. Don't fear the ghosts, they have no substance.

[marshall]

82. If by Rethugs you mean the Clintons, then I agree!

Since Bill crawled in bed with Rush nothing has been the same.
Or maybe it's always been like this but it was never clear before.

[saigon68]

110. Bills been crawling since he dodged the draft

[Ikonoklast]

83. You are the same kind of person that called Rev. King

A Communist and a racist. For telling the truth.

Nice of you to finally show your true colors.

[WDIM]

84. If obama handles it now

It will be forgotten by November and people will be tired of hearing about it.
You don't realized the short attention span our society has.

[FreeStateofWinston]

85. Booooooring!!!!!!

:boring:

No matter how many times you guys throw this garbage against the wall it just ain't gonna stick. Time to move on.

:boring:

[madrchsod]

87. using right wing shit to prove a point that

you can`t possibly do is very "democratic" of you. take your right wing youtube videos and shove them...

http://www.youtube.com/user/NHaleMedia
YouTube - NHaleMedia's Channel

i noticed that there were people commenting about his video...some said bullshit and of course others who believe obama is satan...

[doc03]

96. Exactly, I saw this was a huge problem

weeks ago before the MSM ever picked it up. A couple months ago if the public knew about it Obama would not be the front runner, friends you have been had by the MSM again. Obama can't win the Whitehouse after this IMHO, words do matter, and there is no way he will be able to finesse his way around this issue. I know just like countless times before people will start calling names, you can call all the names you want but Obama can't win the Presidency after this. There is nothing more I would like to see than a Democrat, any Democrat, win the Whitehouse, but IMHO if Obama is our nominee we will suffer the most humiliating defeat since Micheal Dukakis.

on edit: You can stick your head in the sand and say it won't happen if you want. But this is going to make swift-boating look like child's play this fall.

[oasis]

113. Obama=Dukakis. I sadly agree.

:shrug:

[Megahurtz]

101. What kind of SHIT is this?

I say Bullshit. If the ReThugs try to smear Obama for this they will not be able to pull it off because it will make them look like Racist Pigs.
This is a sleazy low-life video that will be ignored by anyone with half-a-brain! :think:
You can thank your fave HRC and the sleazy low-life Clinton Camp for starting this garbage! Well now aren't you just like a pig in shit over it jackson? :sarcasm:

[happygoluckytoyou]

102. AND THE ANSWER IS-------->

AND THIS IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.....

you are judged by the company you keep....

birds of a feather....

AND YET....

do you quit your church because you disagree with the pastor

do you fire workers because you disagree with their beliefs

are you responsible for the six degrees of separation between you and kevin bacon

do you check every donation to make certain the donation is not tainted

do you throw each friend under a bus because he is arrested

.....WHEN WE BECOME SUCH A COUNTRY IT WILL BE TERRIBLE...
-----I DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYONE ON EVERYTHING... AND THAT INCLUDES THE TWO VERY GREAT CANDIDATES WE HAVE RUNNING FOR THE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT....

I WILL NOW AND FOREVER SUPPORT THE PARTY WHICH BEST REPRESENTS THE INTERESTS OF AMERICA AND OUR WORKERS AND CHILDREN.... AND THE PARTY WHICH HAS THE BEST OPPORTUNITY OF CREATING CHANGE FOR THE BETTER WITHIN THE WORLD... FOR ADDRESSING THE ECOLOGICAL ISSUES... THE TERRIBLE FINANCIAL WE ARE IN... OUR LACK OF FACE IN THE WORLD... OUR WEALTHY VS POOR ISSUES...

AT THIS TIME... IN THIS COUNTRY... THAT IS THE DEMOCRATS

[Duncan]

105. Please

US foriegn policy does feed terrorism, there is racism inherent in US domestic policy, and there are racists in public office. To deny that these are truths is ignorant at best. That Obama's pastor spoke these truths with words that you find offensive has nothing to do with who Obama is.

I agree that Obama's Pastor's words will hurt Obama in the eyes of many, especially when catapulted so enthusiastically by people like you. Your posts seem to be nothing more than smear thinly disguised as discussion.

I notice you are putting quite a bit of effort into keeping this story alive. What is your motive? Does this issue really bother you that much, or are you bothered by how much you think it will bother others, or perhaps by how little it bothers others? You are certainly bothering me, and I will no longer be bothered to read anything you post.

[muryan]

107. obviously they need to play rap in the background

because....? Oh i get it, hes black. /yawn

[Cant trust em]

109. Do we really need to propagate this crap in DEMOCRATIC Underground?

Sorry, but I don't watch right wing videos on this website. I can go to Free Republic if I want to watch a Democrat get swiftboated.

[gmudem]

111. Didn't even bother watching it

But does it count as a preview if actual Democrats have been doing the same thing for a week? It's probably more like a recap of what Clinton "Democrats" have said I'm guessing.

Rush Limbaugh thanks you, you're making his job that much easier.

[Spiffarino]

112. So what untalented asshole came up with this?

I am so fucking sick of phony, stuttering repetition and stitching together of fake segues. It is beyond pathetic and only an idiot would by into your meme because of this poorly-crafted video.

[hezekkia]

114. wait, we didn't bomb Nagasaki? We didn't have slavery? we didn't incite the MidEast?

wow, where have I been?

[Spiffarino]

119. Nope. It was all a dream.

Now hurry back to Kansas and help Auntie Em with the chores.

:sarcasm:

[ChazII]

115. Call me a cynic

but it is thread like this that help to confirm, "Imagine" will never happen.

[ooglymoogly]

117. If that is the best pile of crap you trolls can come up with

bring it on!!!! That is so transparently stupid even the brain dead can see through it. You trolls need to take a trip to see the wizard about a brain.

[Ronnie Roach]

121. So...when will McCain denounce Rev.Hagee?

Does McCain agree with Hagee that the Catholic church is a great whore?