Obama pastor/mentor: "God Damn America"

[jackson_dem]

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For 20 years Obama listened to this racist (who even thinks white America is to blame for 9/11) each Sunday and made him his mentor...Obama is a weak general election candidate and this is a big reason why. Where was the vaunted Obama judgment?

[Teaser]

1. Damn them darkies for having opinions

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[jackson_dem]

2. Ah the race card again. The only card Obama can play to defend himself

That won't cut it in the general. Obama has a racist mentor/pastor/spiritual leader and had no problem with it for 20 years. How will Obama explain this in the general? Playing the race card yet again? :eyes:

[Teaser]

4. If the hood fits...

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[bunkerbuster1]

11. self delete

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[libbygurl]

6. Right now, it's played to shut everyone up about criticising him.

It's worked, but the hate-filled raving of this guy will turn a lot of people off in the GE, if not now. You don't call someone your 'mentor' and 'spiritual advisor' if you don't put a lot of value his ideas and agree with all, if not most, of them.

[Teaser]

9. There was nothing hateful in that speech

Have you been to an AA church lately? I could hear that sermon every other Sunday. You saying most black preachers are hate filled?

[bunkerbuster1]

19. WTF is wrong with what his pastor's said?

Huh? Do you really think it's "hate filled" to point out that our country has systematically fucked over a lot of its citizens? If you do, what the fuck are you doing here at DU?

[Blue State Bandit]

51. Since when does anyone here disagree

that American foreign policy lead to 9/11? Did we not train the Mujahadin? Do we not enrich Saudi Wahabist with oil money? Do 1 out of 3 Black men not spend time in prison during their life?

I thought that the Democratic party was working to change these ineptitudes, not slam those who point them out?

[Duncan]

45. WTF?

That guy in the video is not Obama, its his Pastor.

[Megahurtz]

65. LOL!

You're the one that pulled out the Race Card in your OP.

God that's funny.

[TML]

77. McCain hates Asians

And THAT is verifiable if you do a Google search under "McCain Asian racist". How will McCain explain that?

[bunkerbuster1]

3. So you're calling a black man "racist."

Right wing radio talking points much?

[libbygurl]

self-delete - wrong thread.

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[Teaser]

18. I agreed with almost everything in those sermons

Call me racist. Do it.

[Teaser]

21. yeah run away...self deleting cowardice.

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[libbygurl]

27. Not cowardice at all - what I'd posted had more to do with a different subject than what

..was on this vid.

Got that?

[durrrty libby]

58. Aww look at the little race baiter. BO would be so proud

[jackson_dem]

10. The race card again. Obama's defense in the general: only whites can be racist

That will sell well. Try arguing that Farrakhan isn't a racist in Peoria. :eyes:

[hifalutin]

68. I do believe

it is called reverse racism.

[muryan]

84. you implying that black people cannot be racist?

i was unaware that it was a specifically white affliction

[troubleinwinter]

108. Do you believe that a person of mixed race is incapable of racism? Where do you find this?

[democracy1st]

124. hell ya he's gawd dayum racist

he's a sorry ass,and this campaign is more than likely going down over his foolish words

[Little Star]

5. The general election will be lost if Obama is our nom. He has

shown poor judgment by attending a church where hatred of whites and America are preached. This will be worse than the swift boating because it is true and documented. Obama has shown his poor judgment and we will all pay the price in the general.

GO AWAY OBAMA!!! For the sake of the party GO AWAY!!!!!!!

[Liberal Veteran]

14. Yeah...and HRC is clearly loved by all.

:eyes:

[jackson_dem]

17. Yup and then there is William Ayrers

That "Obama judgment" again...

[indimuse]

40. Auchi and

REZKO!

[susankh4]

82. Nice collage!

[theredpen]

43. What about WIllian Ayers?

[jackson_dem]

55. He is an unrepetant terrorist

[hezekkia]

62. so is Andrew Jackson, your hero.

[jackson_dem]

91. Jackson is a hero of Obama's too

As are Jefferson and FDR who I am sure you consider to be terrorists too. You might also consider JFK to be one as well.

-snip-

Our party - the Democratic Party - has always been at its best when we've led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we've called all Americans to a common purpose - a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed - that all of us are created equal - that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We're the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We're the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we're the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obamas_speech_to_virginias_jef.html

[theredpen]

66. That's terrible. And what does that have to do with Barack Obama?

[jackson_dem]

92. Not much substsantively but remember Willie Horton had little to do with Dukakis...

They are friends but only because Obama met him while on the board of an anti-poverty group. Don't expect the right-wing to mention the second part...

[theredpen]

102. That's what I thought

I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a third part. :)

Obama has done a pretty good job deflecting the smears by speaking plainly about the truth. Obviously, he'll have to keep that up, or he'll get slimed. On the other hand, Clinton is still battling smears that are over 10 years old. She needs to be "the new Hillary Clinton" and it may be too late for that.

[jackson_dem]

104. I disagree. A poll out shows 13% of people think Obama is Muslim

That is up from 6% several months ago. This has been going on for a year and he hasn't been able to stop it. It is apparently spreading.

[theredpen]

106. Well, complaining about Obama's CHRISTIAN Pastor is going to mess up that rumor

:D

Seriously, though, we don't know what's behind that increase. It could be just due to Obama's increase in visibility. More than 13% of the people in the country have a "very favorable" view of George W. Bush. 13% doesn't really worry me, although the upward trend is obviously not good.

[WDIM]

117. The weathermen are my heros

We the people have the right to armed insurrection when we feel our government is no longer protecting our interest! Was true in the revolution of 1776 and is true now!

[theredpen]

44. What did the Reverend say that indicated that he hates white people?

He sure hates white people in the KKK, that's for sure. That bothers you?!

[FVZA_Colonel]

86. Self-Delete.

Never Mind.

[keep_it_real]

7. That is the black experience that white America created

Those sentiment were created by white America and are as American as apple pie. If America thinks after 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow and no reparations that black America is just peachy with America you need to put on some black face and find out the reality of being Afro-American in America.

[jackson_dem]

13. And Obama just slipped through the evil white's oppresive net?

I am a minority. I know damn well what it is like to be one thank you. I just don't hate my country like Obama's mentor/pastor/spiritual adviser. You know, the country that allowed Obama to rise from food stamps to the cusp of the White House...

[keep_it_real]

22. So you think expressing a 400 year old hurt is hate?

That has not been compensated for is hate? You sound like a ne-grow.

[jackson_dem]

26. Obama sure has been hurt!

Obama's excuse to defend himself on this will be to play the race card. Saying a guy who went to prep school, Columbia, Harvard Law and is now a millionaire senator who is the favorite to become president is a poor ole' victim isn't going to fly with voters.

[Qutzupalotl]

42. When he actually does so, then you might have a point.

In the meantime, your Magic 8-Ball needs a tuneup.

[jackson_dem]

48. Real "hurt"

--Even if he loses he got very close to be president (how many folks do? I bet Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel, Gerphardt, Clark, Dean, Graham, would love to trade positions with Obama)
--Millionaire
--U.S. Senator
--Celebrity
--Harvard Law (it doesn't get more elite)
--Columbia
--Prep school

Wife is a Harvard lawyer who is a wealthy executive. Where can I sign up for such "hurt"?

[Qutzupalotl]

52. That was my point. He hasn't said that and never will.

[BeliQueen]

71. to point out that something's wrong

is not hateful.

Most times it just means you want that person or thing to treat you better.

Outside of using the word "damn" on the pulpit, I basically agreed with what he was saying in his message.

I think many will take offense but then again most people don't want to look at the hard work ahead of us to bring our nation into it's full glory.

[Taxmyth]

37. Hearts and minds

I can just see this type of attitude and rhetoric winning the hearts and minds of the voters. Good luck with that.

[SunDrop23]

127. it's not just "black America"...it's "non-white world." (n/t)

[Amy6627]

8. Rev Wright said that 9/11 was blow back, he is absolutely RIGHT!

After 9/11 Falwell and Robertson said it was caused by Feminists, Lesbians, and abortionist, and meet regularly with Torture Boy bush and that is perfectly fine with MSM and the majority of Americans!

[jackson_dem]

16. They were both criticized greatly for it

So Obama's platform will be: "9/11: whites deserved it"?

[LaurenG]

39. What a crock. How low will you go?

You blame him for his pastors words?

I think you are treading a fine line here, and posting flame bait to boot. :nuke:

[theredpen]

46. ...and the pastor didn't even say that.

[Amy6627]

59. He didn't say that whites brought it, he said America brought it on itself. n/t

[maxsolomon]

12. he didn't say a damn thing i disagree with

in fact, he didn't say anything that Ward Churchill would disagree with.

but i think that's one fugly church.

[jackson_dem]

20. Please e-mail Churchill and tell him to endorse Obama!

PLEASE!

[bunkerbuster1]

15. Wright's right

I say "God Damn America" too when it fucks up, which it's been doing a lot of late.

[maxsolomon]

23. luckily God doesn't damn or bless any country,

sports team, or sneezer.

[pedo]

24. the old uncle analogy

i know exactly what he means by that...

some of the stuff this guy says is actually true, but some of it is really outrageous.

[jackson_dem]

25. Obamites, saying whites, 75% of voters, are evil and racist is an electoral liability. Bigtime

How blind do you have to be to not recognize that?

[Qutzupalotl]

38. How intellectually dishonest.

You KNOW he is not saying ALL whites are evil or racist. He is describing the effects of slavery and segregation in our not-too-recent past.

Your irrational hatred of Obama is clouding your reasoning. Get help.

[jackson_dem]

54. Lol try that in the general

"I think you guys are evil, but I have good reasons for it, oh and vote for me!"

Obamites fail to grasp the politics of this. No wonder they support such a disastrous candidate...

[Qutzupalotl]

57. McCain and Rove send their thanks for all you've done.

[jackson_dem]

93. Rove? The guy who wrote a letter advising Obama on how to beat Hillary?

[Qutzupalotl]

119. And how Hillary should run against Obama.

He's just a fountain of good ideas, like you are.

[FVZA_Colonel]

87. Self-Delete.

Never Mind.

[TML]

79. WTF?

I know a lot of Obama supporters not on the Internet and they do not hold those views.

[Usrename]

28. I have to ask you, and I hope you will consider answering.

Do you honestly think Obama hates white people and hates America, and because of that he is unfit for office?

If you don't honestly believe that, are you just trying to validate that smear campaigns are effective?

Do you believe that we should choose our leaders based on smear campaigns which we know are lies?

I'm just trying to get some grasp of what your argument is here.

[jackson_dem]

33. No, but this would be dynamite to his electability if we nominate him

He obviously is not racist against whites since he is half white. However, this would severely hurt his electability and we need to know this before we nominate him. Whites are the largest bloc. Look at how much being seen as racist hurt the Clintons, who had three decade long pro-equality record, with blacks. If anything remotely close to that happens with whites, 75% of voters, Obama is done in the general election. Obama showed lousy judgment by not leaving that church looooong ago...can you imagine Hillary or Dodd going to a church with a racist pastor? Even the rethugs don't go to an explicitly racist church. Any prudent politician would have left that church a long time ago.

[Usrename]

76. So, you think lies should determine who our leaders are.

Even when you know the smear is not true, it should still be the determining factor. A politic based on nothing but lies.

[jackson_dem]

95. We have to live in the real world. We can't blindly drive into a ditch

[Usrename]

111. Then to you, accepting the lies is living in the real world.

Why not just refute the lies. What are you so afraid of?

[jackson_dem]

113. Because there are limits to that as the man in your avatar knows all too well

[TML]

80. ...

Racist church? Maybe not. Bigoted church? Just ask any minority or GLBT about their experiences.

[jgraz]

29. Dammit -- that guy RAWKS

There's absolutely nothing he said that I don't support wholeheartedly. I'm glad Obama has such a strong progressive influence in his life, even if he is a preacher.

[thunder rising]

30. I LIKE IT!!! Only a redneck moron would not know this is the truth. Polite, no, the truth, yes!

[jgraz]

36. So, just Hillary's base then.

:evilgrin:

[thunder rising]

74. Well..ya'know ... in a round 'bout way ... kinda ... ahhh ... YES, that would do it.

[jackson_dem]

31. What happened to "unity" and a new "post-racial" politics?

Obama's supporters sure ditched these fraudulent slogans quickly...

[durrrty libby]

34. Hey, If it is so delightful, BO should run it 24/7 on the networks

Let America get a real feel of the candidate's environment

[hifalutin]

70. I also believe

we are judged by the company we keep.

[LaurenG]

32. Well I happen to believe that American foreign policy and lack of communication

both with world leaders and Americans has caused may many things to occur. Those men running the highest office in the country have always been white men. I agree with him, am I a racist too?

There are a lot of things that are done that we will never get the full story on and especially since Bush has been at the helm. Oh and yes America has been a jerk of a country and if you are proud of the last 7 years there is a problem. Do you not think that minorities have been abused and treated in a racist manner? Do you think they are all just making this stuff up?

I am not offended by him but go ahead and take offense and then blame Senator Obama, because it only reflects on you.

[jackson_dem]

35. That will go over great in the general

What happened to "unity" and "transcending race"? That didn't last long did it?

Good for you if that makes you feel good and enlightened. I am a minority who is a patriot and am offended--as will at least 80% of folks outside of DU. Don't give me the bs about Obama being a poor ole' victim. Where the fuck can I sign up for the "victimhood" that gets you to become a millionaire Ivy Leaguer, senators, and the favorite to become president? :eyes:

[LaurenG]

50. I think you are really pushing the BULLSHIT now

YOU are the one playing the race card, and YOU are victimizing him, I never said a thing about him being a victim but you did, what a steaming pile of manure.

:rofl:

[theredpen]

41. Panic! Preaching while Uppity!

"They will ... attack you, if you try to point what's going on in white America."

From all corners, it seems, even the squishy liberal ones.

[theredpen]

47. Man, I haven't seen this many defensive white people

...since the last time I read Free Republic.

I'm not kidding.

[LaurenG]

53. I have held my tongue and I get your message.

:nuke:

[rosesaylavee]

49. I am white and I have no problem with anything Rev. Wright said on that clip.

I didn't hear anything racist on this clip. Can you relate which parts you thought were racist?

[calmblueocean]

56. So are you "Obamahorror"? Just curious.

I do think this is a good example of a challenge Obama will have to face in the general. Obama's line that Wright is like "an old uncle you sometimes disagree with" is a decent answer, but he will ultimately have to denounce Wright's extremism in some substantial way. I don't think that will be difficult for him, since Obama parts company with Wright on his more extreme views. In the end, it will alienate some voters, but all candidates alienate some fickle voters, and Hillary has a large segment of America that is alienated against her from the get-go. In the end, I think Obama is still the stronger candidate.

[jackson_dem]

72. No. I went to Youtube and searched for "Jermiah Wright Obama"

There are several videos up already.

The problem is you can't just denounce away what you did for 20 years, especially when it will be so transparently political.

[Megahurtz]

60. Big deal. So he tells the truth.

This Country sucks. Are you happy with the way things are being run?

I'm not happy.

That's why we need Obama for Change!:hi:

[Duncan]

61. Ummm...

US foriegn policy does feed terrorism against the US, there is racism inherent in US domestic policy, and there are racists in public office, to deny these truths is at best ignorant. That Obama's pastor uses bold words to express these truths, whether you think they are truths or not, has nothing to do with who Obama is. The only people who will be bothered by this are racists. Unfortunately there are many.

[Old and In the Way]

63. Thanks for posting this.

I've heard a lot about Wright recently, but hadn't heard him sermonizing. Sounds like he knows whats up with the real America. I now see where Barack gets some of his inspiration from and I look forward to the change he'll deliver.

[Duncan]

67. Well put.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

88. this alone will cost us the WH if Obama gets the nom.....

[JDPriestly]

64. Obama does not speak as dramatically as Rev. Wright, but

his speaking style has definitely been influenced by Rev. Wright. This excerpt sounds pretty extreme to me.

[theredpen]

69. Extreme as in "intense" or "extreme" as in out of bounds?

[JDPriestly]

125. Rev. Wright gets carried away by emotion.

He expresses himself in a way that has a tremendous emotional effect but is not measured, is not calming.

Obama is intellectual, very intellectual. Obama is by nature quiet and thoughtful. Obama does not get carried away by emotion although he is clearly moved by deep conviction. Rev. Wright's influence on Obama's speaking has probably been to free Obama from the shackles of pedantry to which he might otherwise have been inclined. Rev. Wright is constantly in an almost chemical or electrical union with his congregation. He speaks from his feelings. Obama also links up to his audience when he speaks.

I have wondered where in the world Obama, who grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia and who went to college in L.A. and New York and law school in Boston got his accent and his evangelistic speaking style. As the child of a minister who grew up attending revivals and listening to African-American song sermons on Sunday morning (WMOZ, the Black spot on your dial, Mobile, Ala.) radio in my teen years, I know that Obama did not just naturally come by his speaking style. Now I know where he learned it.

Obama is an inspiring speaker. My criticism of him is not of his speaking style although I have wondered where it came from but of the lack of specificity of the content of what he says. But then, I am an Edwards supporter and I will continue to be an Edwards supporter no matter what. I understand Obama's appeal. He doesn't appeal to me, but, although I wish he more concrete and detailed in what he says, I would rate Obama's speaking style as very good.

[theredpen]

128. Insightful analysis

And a side question: are you going to support Edwards in the GE? I originally supported Edwards, too, but I'm going to vote (D) in the general.

[JDPriestly]

129. I'll vote D of course. But, I've lost my enthusiasm.

I worked very hard for the Kerry campaign. I plan to let the Obama/Hillary enthusiasts, those that have paid all that money into their burgeoning campaign coffers do the legwork this time. I am very disappointed. Edwards, in my view, was the only candidate who both stood for the right things and understood the difficulty of the battle our candidate will face.

I consider the current sub-prime mortgage crisis to have been a scam by the Bush administration and its friends -- same as Enron -- same as the S&L crisis under Reagan and Bush. It is not difficult for a corporate economist to project the financial significance of offering sub-prime mortgages to people without the means to pay the loans. In this sense, the free market advocates are right -- in a truly free market, businesses would shun practices like sub-prime mortgages because it does not take an MBA to know that a person cannot pay a loan like that unless the person has adequate income to cover monthly payments. The people who made the loans knew exactly what they were doing.

It takes a really criminal mentality to do what the Bush administration and its supporters -- and also what the Reagan administration and first Bush administration and its supporters, all of them have done to our country. There is no way you can compromise with criminals -- no way unless they are in handcuffs and know you have the ability to put the handcuffs back on if they are taken off. Edwards understood that you cannot deal with these people. He is the only one of our candidates with a degree in business management rather than political science. He understands that nice people don't do what the Republicans have been doing since 1980 and even before. Neither Hillary nor Obama understands what the Republicans are about. That's why I did not and do not support them. But, yes, I've used a lot of words to say I will vote for the D, with tears in my eyes, but I will vote for him or her.

[theredpen]

130. I hear that

For the life of me, I don't understand why Edwards did so poorly.

I got psyched for Obama, but it's been hard to keep up any enthusiasm with this bitter rivalry going on. I pray that the convention goes smoothly and Clinton and Obama come out on stage for a hug and a mutual love fest or something.

[pegleg]

73. I like the reference to "The Social Gospel"

That strongly parallels the split in churches during the late 1800's. This scene has been played out before and RW fanatics are milking it for all it's worth. It is also reminiscent of the character in churches described by Dr. King in Letters from the Birmingham Jail. Obama'church really should be no more controversial that the Catholics or the Mormons. there is a double standard here - no doubt.

[TML]

75. Put down the Clinton-Aid

Where does he blame white America for the bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Sponsoring state terrorism? He never said the word "white" once.

[RBInMaine]

78. What was the date of this ABC report?

I'm sure Sen. Obama does not agree with the bulk of this inflammatory rhetoric. He also can not be personally held accountable for the words of someone else. Belonging to a "black" church in a black section of Chicago is certainly no big deal. There are many "black" churches throughout the country which are courted by politicians (Bill Clinton is famous for speaking at them.), and these churches are intended to serve as places of unity for members of the African American. All told, Obama should specifically "denounce" and "reject" Wright's inflammatory comments and do it quickly and clearly. (I understand that Wright has now retired from this church.)

[jackson_dem]

96. Today I believe. CNN covered it too on Anderson Cooper

[melody]

81. Compared with all the jerks McCain is embracing, some angry personal truth from one man won't hurt O

I have said equally angry things at times. I'm allowed my truth -- he's permitted his.

McCain is a weak candidate with crazy fundie backers who aren't speaking out of pain and anger but from
the calm ignorance of ill-conceived "gospel".

[barack the house]

83. God d**, this smear will go just the same path of Rezko. Nowhere.

[Grinchie]

85. Oooh I'm so scared...

You heard me, I'm scared that the DLC will fool America into voting for Hilary.

Go Obama!

Democratic Leadership Council

Read this if you can bear it.



Obama's great strength is that he has nothing to do with the slimeballs at the DLC.

[jackson_dem]

97. Apparently Kathleen Seblieus, Ben Nelson, Tim Johnson, and even Al From didn't get the memo

[NM Independent]

112. HA!!!

HTTP 404 not found?

The DLC is mad at you...ooooh, you better be scared!

:tinfoilhat:

:rofl:

[Cali_Democrat]

89. I'm starting to like this guy more and more

Wright has got it right.

[Divine Discontent]

90. the only thing at all that I am concerned for Obama in the GE is...

the fact that he has some people that he allows to be near him or represent him on a stage, and they say some pretty hateful things. If the RW is smart they'll play commercials of this reverend Wright and say it's Obama's spiritual advisor, and show him blaspheming on the pulpit. I would never go back to a church that did that. There's a civil way to go about saying this country has killed millions without saying it the way he did. I believe in righteous anger, but at the expense of blasphemy, not really.

[jackson_dem]

99. There is already at least one already up on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLOzEHERzAQ

[Divine Discontent]

118. it's weak, at best

thank you for linking it. the guy won't even allow comments on it so I can tell him so. I thought the black pastor was going to say bad things about white people, like they were substandard or something, but all he did was say Clinton would have no clue what it would be like growing up black. His "love the hell out of my enemies" is a play on words, as is his blasphemous God "damn" America one, I just think they're silly. He's not my kind of pastor, but to each his own...

[theFrankFactor]

94. The Steve King School of Debate

This is just a shade more cogent an argument against Obama than Steve King's bullshit about Obama's middle name. Yeah, it won't play well among the moron vote, so are we doomed if Obama is the Dem candidate? I guess Hillary is soooooo much better of a bet. Not!

[progdonkey]

98. Andrew Jackson was a racist responsible for the deaths of countless Native Americans...

So you're a racist and by extension also responsible for those deaths.

[jackson_dem]

114. Damn. St. Obama thinks Jackson was great

Just like Jefferson (slaveowner), FDR (pro-segregationist and put the Japanese in concentration camps), and JFK (appointed segregationists). This is only how backward they were on race. They were all sexist. I guess Barack, like most students of history, recognizes that folks need to be judged by the time they lived in.

P.S. I notice the school of thought that loves to bash every American hero from the 18th and 19th century gives FDR a free pass. Why is that? If you are going to judge figures from past eras by 2008 standards that FDR deserves to be indicted by history as well. Why the hypocrisy?

[Prayingforrain48]

100. I wish he hadn't retired!

Every single thing that he said in that video as is absolutely true. Can anyone here point out even one inaccuracy in what he said?

[Vattel]

101. politics aside,

this preacher rocks. It is sad that most Americans don't bat an eye at the fact that the U.S. murdered tens of thousands in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The stupid argument that if this had not been done more lives would have been lost in an invasion of the Japanese main islands is accepted uncritically.

btw, I've recently switched to Hillary. I keep going back and forth.

[futureliveshere]

103. The man retired

Hey, the pastor has retired. Now what will they use to bash Obama up with? Besides there wasn't anything offensive there. He qualified every one of the statements he made with why he is making them. And individual statements with no context can always sound offensive. One clipping does not a sermon make, methinks.

[swag]

105. Sounds almost like Pat Robertson.

When will we be free of the scourge of religion?

[jberryhill]

107. D'jever Read Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address?

The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."




Translation: "God Damn America"

Why does Abraham Lincoln hate the US?

[swag]

109. I know. And he was a Republican!

[jberryhill]

123. What I can't figure out is

...the so-called "Christians" who think that America is blameless before their professed deity.

On the right, as noted by another below, you have the preachers who are more than happy to have God sending hurricanes here and there to punish wrongdoing, the pro-lifers who keep going on about God's judgment being rendered against America, and so on.

The "God Who Votes Republican" has been damning the US left and right.

Lincoln's 2nd Inaugural Address moves me to tears whenever I read it, and I can't for the life of me figure out where that sort of humble faith has gone in this country.

[NM Independent]

115. Any reply I could come up with...

...couldn't touch that.

I will add however, that there is NO WAY the GOP would dare use this in an advertisement. Why? Because Rod Parsley and John Hagee have both endorsed McSame. Endorsements fondly accepted as a pander to the far right. In contrast, though these words are Obama's mentors he has repeatedly stated that he doesn't agree with everything he says by any means. If he and his pastor were just alike, then Barack would be a pastor, not a politician.

So, do you think swing voters will be more influenced by a distanced endorsement by a righteously angry black pastor (whose anger is clearly justified), or by two embraced endorsements by righteously angry white pastors (whose anger is clearly not justified).

I'd love to hear anybody argue that one. Repugs are dumb, but they aren't that damn dumb.

[Chisox08]

110. I agree with Rev. Wright

As a Chicagoan and a black man who goes to church often I've heard similar sermons over and over again. He is not being racist he is only pointing out the faults of America. He is pointing out a society that has held an entire race of people down for over 400 years, through slavery, share-cropping, jim crow laws, job and housing discrimination, poor education and an unfair legal system that keeps young black men in prison.

[democracy1st]

122. Doesn't work that way in politics

When you're trying to court white voters this is the worse approach possible, this brings race out and into the forefront. What the Clinton campaign tried to do has now worked 10 fold against the Obama campaign. This campaign is just about over if he can't clear it up by monday.

[WDIM]

116. How dare a Black man say something against White people!!!!!

Lets lynch him!!!!!! :sarcasm:

He has the right to say think and express himself however he wants. This is America and that is the beauty of Free Speech. Free for everybody even the people we disagree with!

[Duncan]

120. He didn't.

[democracy1st]

121. thats one sorry ass preacher

I can't see this campaign recovering from this

[SunDrop23]

126. Well quite frankly, rich white men have been running things for...

how many hundreds of years? including foreign policy. So yes, I think to that extent it could be argued that white America's, more specifically, the foreign policy of a country controlled by rich white men produced the kind of hatred of this country as a whole in the Middle East that led to the 9/11 attacks.