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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:38 AM
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Geraldine Ferraro Defends Her Statements (Full Video)
 
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:49 AM
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1. Keeping digging Geraldine. I can't believe this woman is so fucking
goddamn stupid. What did her father do when she got off course? Did he get the belt out. Or did he take her down to the river and hit in the head with a rock?

JUst keep digging Geraldine.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:06 AM
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6. I agree with her, that it is ludicrous to say that she is a racist, period.
Geraldine Ferraro, a racist? No fucking way. And what's this shit about how her "father" would beat her? What is that about?

I do not believe that you honestly think that Obama would be where he is, right now, if he were not African American. You can say whatever you want to, but I think that you are intelligent enough to know better than that. That is not a racist "thing" - to say that Obama's campaign has been more vital because of who he is, that is just fact. Sometimes who a person is helps them in an endeavor and sometimes it hurts them - it isn't necessarily a racist concept...

Let me say this: If Geraldine Ferraro is a racist, then Obama can never be elected President, because most of the country is to the right of Ferraro...
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:08 AM
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8. Amen!
And the same can be said for the Clintons.

This Axelrod strategy is wearing very thin..... very quickly.

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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:15 AM
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9. Wow, you really are defending her...
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:24 AM
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12. I am defending Geraldine Ferraro against the claims that she is
a racist or a bigot, yes. It is just plain stupid to call Geraldine Ferraro a racist or a bigot. If she is, then so is the rest of the country and Obama will have no chance. She is not a racist or a bigot. She was making an observation on what helps and hurts the campaigns. To say that the race of the candidate either helps or hurts his/her campaign is not a racist statement. It just isn't.

And let me reiterate that I do not support Clinton and did not and will not for her.
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BeliQueen Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:22 PM
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25. I understand your reasoning
I think it's a very sound principle. Who we are is a determining factor for who we become and what we accomplish.

G.W. Bush born to any other parents would have ended up burning burgers at McDonald's. Which is practically impossible, but he would have found a way. :-)

So saying that Barack's race is one contributing component to his campaign would have been a reasonable statement. But Ferraro's statement is that the only reason he has the platform he has right now is because he's black.

She says that he has no experience and that he has no policy differentials and so his only advantage is his race.

It's the same argument many use to dismiss the achievements of so many African-Americans--if she weren't black she wouldn't have got into that college, or gotten that job, or been promoted to that position. It's saying that he didn't have to work as hard as the other candidates to get where he is, and that's--sadly to say--bigoted and racist.

Peace.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:17 AM
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10. Shes not a racist!!! She is a bigot.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:36 AM
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14.  !
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:36 AM by kokono
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pedo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:21 PM
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21. yeah, she can't be racist
because she has black friends!

and my friend can't be racist, because he voted for obama. that proves he isn't racist right there. case closed. right?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:33 PM
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26. I think that the only way we can know whether or not a person is a
racist or a bigot, other than taking their word for it, is to look at their lives. Look at what they have done and how they have done it; look at where they have been and what they have stood for. Geraldine Ferraro is not a racist; it is stupid to say she is...
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pedo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:00 PM
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28. really?
my sister's son is half black, and she admits she is very racist. no offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:16 PM
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29. You are making a very stupid argument. When slave masters
had children with slaves, they remained racists. The fact that your sister hates her own son makes no sense toward this argument. As I said if she calls herself a racist, then just "take her word for it". Otherwise, you have to look at her work and life. You probably just don't know who Ferraro is, that's all...
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pedo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:56 PM
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34. get a clue
the fact that you assume my sister must hate her son, and that ferraro can't possibly be racist only proves that you have a very simple, naive understanding of racism.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:55 PM
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47. You are a moron. You were the one who said that your sister
admitted to being a racist and that her son was half black - ergo she must hate her son. And you, are simply simple.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:49 PM
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41. Stop trying to fool yourself. What she said was blatantly racist.
And it's not the first time she has done this.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:57 AM
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2. she`s doing her mistresses bidding
hillary can not come out and say these things because the back lash would doom her campaign so she allows this piece of trash to be her mouth piece. nice try hillary but you can not hide anymore...
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:58 AM
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3. I loved it when she called out Obama. Cage match!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:58 AM
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4. I read about Ferraro's remarks on www.whogivesashit.com. nt
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:01 AM
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5. Racism on display. Gerry, I hardly knew ya.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:02 AM by InAbLuEsTaTe
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:18 AM
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11. It is not racist to discuss the various things that help or hurt
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:19 AM by Dhalgren
a campaign. Does the race of the candidate either help or hurt a campaign? In most instances, yes. There will be some precincts where the candidates' races will make no difference, but in most it will be a factor. Observing this fact is not racist. It may be pointing out a lingering racism in our society, but the pointing out of this fact is not racist.

Would the race of the candidate running for governor of Alabama be a factor in the campaign? If one were black, yes it would. That fact may point out a continuing racism in Alabama, but it isn't a racist thing to point it out.

Screaming racism at every turn is not a good strategy for Obama. I support neither Obama nor Clinton, but calling Geraldine Ferraro a racist is just stupid...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:38 PM
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22. I agree with you.
I found her remarks to be fairly mundane, even, and not much different than what many pundits have been saying already.

The real crux of it comes at the end--Obama's campaign people know her and should've called her to clarify rather than jump on it for a soundbite. I hate that kind of nasty politics. It's a small world, and it's best to keep good people with great connections on your side by respecting them and getting their side first before going to the press.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:40 PM
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23. whats the excuse for iowa? she is discriminating against obamas electability based on race
discrimination based on race is racism.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:43 PM
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27. Who? Ms Ferraro isn't discriminating against anyone. She said that
Obama's race was a factor in the results of his campaign. I still do not see how that is a racist statement. Some have said that she said his race was the only factor - that I didn't hear. But even if she misspoke and said something that either came out wrong or could have been misconstrued, to start calling Geraldine Ferraro a racist, after her entire lifetime of working for equality and civil rights and being a lifelong, unabashed Liberal is unconscionable. There isn't very many people on this board or even in the Democratic Party who can stand on level ground with Ms Ferraro. There is probably too much shame to go around, but never forget that when it goes around, it comes around.

Oh, and if you don't know who Geraldine Ferraro is, look her up. Then you can feel bad about your badmouthing...
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:18 AM
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48. ferraro is scum
it was racist. she said he wouldnt be were he is if he wasnt black. that makes no sense. you ever seen a black president before? shes an idiot. shes belittling obama because of his color, and shes assuming the worst of the black people whove voted for him. shes scum.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:16 PM
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30. Why even discuss the subject if it wasn't meant to have racial overtones? Gimme a break!
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pedo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:21 PM
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31. obama isn't "screaming racism"
millions of americans are.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:51 PM
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44. Neither is using racism... Which is yet another reason not to vote for Clinton.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:07 AM
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7. What she is saying is quite accurate, if you listen well...
the problem comes with those who are taking it out of context and making a big deal of it... blowing it into something that is more than it was ever meant to be.

But... that's the Axelrod strategy. To watch for any little thing that can be taken out of context and spun as racist, and use it to attack Hillary's camp.

In the end.. it will come back to bite Barack. And we'll have a white guy in the white house. Because the GOP is not going to give two hoots whether the Obama camp thinks about their PC-ism.

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:57 AM
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16. I don't think Ferraro is a racist at all. I DO think she should stop talking.
Also, during my long life I have learned that the defense of "you are taking things out of context" rarely, if ever, works once people have decided that you said what you said and the collective minds are made up that what you said was somehow "bad." It is a waste of time to try that tack.

IMHO, she should never have mused out loud about the fact that Obama is running at a time where there is acceptance and warmth toward him as an African American candidate. The way she phrased it was unfortunate. And she cannot defend the "truth" of it because nobody can really "prove" it one way or another. The way it came out was "he doesn't really deserve his accolades because the only reason he's where he is is because he's black."

Also she is looking and sounding defensive and hurt. She needs to give it a rest and move on...
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:47 PM
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24. I'll agree with you on that!
Geraldine will do best to lay low now.
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curiousdemo Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:32 AM
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13. Slick Willie lying has rub off on

Hillary and Hillary lying has rub off on Geraldine, Geraldine lying has rub off on Fox News, and Fox News have lied for George W. Bush and George Bush lie all the time. Stay away from these people because it contiguous.
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Mrhyde719 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:57 AM
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15. are you sorry you said this?
"Absolutely Not"- Geraldine Ferraro. Then she tries to squeeze out a tear and play the victim card. Please crawl back under a rock lizard lady and turn in your Dem. member card.:grr:
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:57 AM
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17. So the strategy is to say something racist, then go into a high
dudgeon about how you are being called a racist? Hmmm. Not sure how being an asshole and then acting like a victim makes a good one two punch.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:05 PM
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18. I'm still puzzling over this -
I don't think you can attribute Obama's success to "white guilt". Whites in MS, for example, voted against him in droves. He has out hustled, out manuevered, out campaigned Hillary, with a better strategy, a better ground game, better rhetoric, and better resource allocation. The underlying racism in this country will work against him in the general, not help him. Stupid.
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pedo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:09 PM
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19. they say the best defense is a good offense
apparently ferraro agrees. she's still a racist. it reminds me of bill o'reilly saying something stupid then saying something even dumber when he has to defend his statements the next day.

and she is part of the clinton campaign. shes on the finance committee. she raises money for the campaign.
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:20 PM
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20. All my gosh what a
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 12:23 PM by BigD_95
witch or bitch? You came on the show let her ask you a fucking question and stop Interrupting her. I cant stand to listen to her.
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iaviate1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:39 PM
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38. YOU SEXIST!!!
Would you ever call a man a bitch? Shame on you.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:40 PM
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32. Obama's campaign```busted!
"and to use it,just becuase they can't talk about the issues..."
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:46 PM
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33. SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE LOUD-MOUTHED OPINIONATED MEDIAWHORES--->
OF COURSE... if their husband is running a business in SOHO New York, and my opening my mouth might get a letter writing or phone calling thing going to check out his hiring of illegal labor...

they might be quiet about it.... or not... it is really a judgement thing...

BIGOT... she said the exact same thing about jesse jackson in 1968...

I notice she did NOT mention that Hillary, if not for being Bill's second choice for a blowjob would also NOT be in this race... interesting...

OBAMA/RICHARDSON in 2008.... now THERE is food for the bigots
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:59 PM
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35. "Could I of said because of his experience... no"
"Could I of said because of his stands on the issues...no"

Well lets see Al Sharpton black Jesse Jackson black. That didn't seem to help them.

Her reasoning is completely wrong!
Actually I would theorize that if Obama were white with a common name he would of blown out Hillary on Super Tuesday and the race would be over by now.
The only reason Hillary is where she is in this race is because Obama is Black!

BTW its George HW Bush you ran against for VP.

"I'm hurt" aw poor rich white woman got her feelings hurt now she goes back to her mansion and stepping on the little people.

Was it Barbara Bush that called her a Bitch? for once I agree with something a Bush said!!
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iaviate1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:39 PM
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37. YOU'RE A SEXIST!!!!
How dare you call somebody a "Bitch." That is demeaning and women should never be called that. Would you call her that if she was Gerald Ferrarro? I don't give a damn about what you have done for women, what you say about women, or your stances on women's rights... you're a damn SEXIST. At least she didn't use a vulgar word about blacks like you did for women!
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:43 PM
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39. I didn't call her a Bitch Barbara Bush did!
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 03:48 PM by WDIM
I was just agreeing!

And I know many male bitches it has nothing to do with man or woman.
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iaviate1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:48 PM
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40. If somebody "agrees" with the KKK...
does that make them racist? Yep. Same logic here... you're a sexist, clearly.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:50 PM
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43. So... Barbara Bush is a sexist?
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:55 PM
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45. This board is so reactionary!
So Barbara Bush is a sexist? or a member of the KKK? Yeah she probably is you're right!

There are some posters on this board that really need to learn to take a joke.

And I want to retract my previous statement Barbara Bush never called her a bitch she said "I can't say it, but it rhymes with rich."

So she is an Itch? Mitch? glitch? Stitch? I really don't know what she meant. Sorry for the misquote!
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:50 PM
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42. I thought "Bitch was the new Black"
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WDIM Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:58 PM
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46. I'm a bitch
I'm a mother I'm a child I'm a lover I'm a sinner I'm a saint
we all remember the song!
I think that singer is really fing sexist!
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:33 PM
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36. She doesn't explain the context at all unreal.
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