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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:52 PM
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Keith talks about KBR concentration camps!
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 07:56 PM by originalpckelly
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:54 PM
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1. Called them concentration camps.
Not much gets past KO.
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PublicWrath Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:55 PM
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2. Saw it. called them "concentration camps" n/t
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:55 PM
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3. Sounds scary.
Thanks, KO.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:57 PM
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4. saw it and hope someone will have a video of it!
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:57 PM
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5. What Keith does best is cover stories
that no one else dares cover.

I think we need to nominate him for a Nobel or Pulitzer next year.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:57 PM
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6. Now ya won't have to read that wide screen link.
KBR Awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M. (HAL) (By Katherine Hunt)

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co, (HAL), said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said.

If no one has ever heard anything about detention or concentration camps within the United States, the above press release would appear relatively harmless. However, if anyone is waiting for the government and KBR to come out and say "Hey, we're building concentration camps for all you minions," before they will take note, you'll be in those camps 'before' you figure it out.

Several items about this concern me greatly. First, instead of paying $385+ million for the next five years to build detention centers or so they say; why not stop the flow at the borders which would be much cheaper? On the other hand, if the illegals are the real problem and reason for building detention centers; why not cancel all jobs for illegals, stop all government payments to illegals and their off-spring and watch the illegal problem dry up like a drought stricken river. You won't have to send them back, they will leave. But that would mean that the illegals are the real problem being addressed, could there are other reasons for these little mini Gitmos?...

Secondly, what are these other detention center type projects? Maybe they learned something in New Orleans, maybe they learned that they needed detention camps in which to send people that lost their homes during this natural disaster. By having Haliburton (Man, why does Hallibuton get all the plush assignments) build local camps, we can herd the mindless little masses into them whenever a natural disaster or even potential disaster occurs. Not to mention NWO orchestrated disasters.

Now I'm sure that many will say, not to worry, no big deal or your just making a mountain out of molehill. Maybe I am, however I believe our country has survived quite well without detention or concentration camps for the past 200 years. Just not sure why King George feels we need them now? Wasn't there another country that built and operated a few concentration camps about 60 years ago? I wonder what little piece of propaganda Hitler used to convince the little minions to look the other way?

Color me naive, but when I hear talk of cages, detention and/or concentration camps, my mind usually wonders in devious directions. I haven't seen anywhere in history where detention centers and so forth were used as freedom enhancing tools. View this anyway you wish, but do so at your own peril. Consider yourself warned, what you choose to do with this information is only up to you.


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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:59 PM
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8. I'm turned off by KO's "Ghostbusters" sequence.
We have enough of this stuff in the movies.

Crapola news.

Well, it's 6 PM.

Time to knock-off KO!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:18 PM
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15. I guess you'll have to excuse him for trying to appeal to a broad group
of people, not just you, with his news.

He puts in some comedy and some fluff in between the truth to make it more palatable for some people. Sorry he's not enough of a purist for some people who only want hard, straight news. As for me, I appreciate the mix--and even if I didn't, I'd endure it to get the truth he deals.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:20 PM
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17. I agree, Berry Bush. It's good for a few laughs and if I want "hard news"
I'll watch Jim Lehrer on PBS.

Snoozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzer....
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:57 PM
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27. i love keith--
(i admit lately i don't watch the entire show--always try to catch the first fifteen, twenty minutes tho)

this is the guy who covered the STOLEN ELECTION to the bitter end, EVERY DAY! he deserves a medal!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 07:57 PM
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7. I vote for cloning KO
We need a truth megaphone...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:00 PM
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9. LOL! Please don't open let THAT genie outta the bottle!
... you'll be soorrryyy!... :D



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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:50 PM
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21. Who cloned the dim cells?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:02 PM
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10. You think a camp designed for the brown hordes could hold
antiwar activists too? When If they don't show, we don't want to waste all that expensive security...

:sarcasm:
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Jigarotta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:49 PM
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20. fact is
most of us are too fat and lazy in the head and concentration camps and the meaning of them requires reading history books and not the paula cons CNN lips.

It's coming. Lots know it is. Big dark coming.

BUT IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE!

hahahhaahha.whimper.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:04 PM
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11. Is there a video of this?
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Idioteque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:06 PM
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12. Jim Cramer is talking about KBR right now on Mad Money...
...he says invest in HAL and stay the fuck away from KBR. He's probably right.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:06 PM
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13. Message from the Ministry of Truth:
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 08:07 PM by originalpckelly
There are no concentration camps being built by KBR! That is an UNFACT! If you don't listen the Ministry will make us all unpersons! Thought-crimes!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:13 PM
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14. This statement is preplexing...
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 08:23 PM by KansDem
The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said.

Two questions: What is an "immigration emergency," and how are these to be used as a reaction "to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster"? Does this mean that Katrina evacuees for example would have been stuck in these pens?

edited to correct indefinite article
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:20 PM
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16. It means whatever they deem it to mean.
Which is precisely why it's so scary. THEY decide what an "immigration emergency" is. THEY decide what a "national emergency" is. Just like THEY decided who needed detaining at Gitmo. And glory be, Halliburton pockets the profits!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:54 PM
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50. To me less perplexing, more reason to fear these guys in power
"Does this mean that Katrina evacuees for example would have been stuck in these pens?"

I believe the answer is a resounding "yes!". Many of us watched in horror bush*s response to NOLA drowning and thought that they were making a "practice run". They wouldn't let anyone in to help, they wouldn't let anyone leave. Even though a Navy ship that had the capacity to make thousands of gallons of potable water everyday had followed the storm to shore for the express purpose of giving aid if needed, the bush* administration refused to give lifesaving water & medicine to the 10's of thousands suffering in NOLA.

Every bit of their response to the crisis seemed centered on law & order, how they could secure & control a major American city and it's inhabitants rather than rescue/assist. When they did take the survivors out of the city it sent shivers down my spine. As glad as I was that the people were going to get out of there, the visual of of heavily armed military vehicles escorting the long caravans of buses used to remove the people was down right creepy.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:38 PM
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18. That was good; glad to see it. The producers need to DROP that crap
about celebs and ghost hunters and all that shit and let him cover more real stories, like election fraud, treason, pResidential lies, high crimes and misdemeanors, etc.
oh. and ELECTION FRAUD.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. Yes, Granny. Why is all that E! TV junk
on Olberman? It's distracting and irritating.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:41 PM
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19. It could mean jobs for Americans...
...if they don't use illegal aliens to build it.:shrug:

--IMM
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:54 PM
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22. No real need to worry
If they run true to form about 95% of that money is going to disappear, and there won't be enough left to actually do ANYTHING.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:25 PM
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46. true enough that....but........I just don't trust this gov't
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:58 PM
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23. The End Game Homeland Security
sorry ...but they took the link down from the ICE website...
this is serious...they want to round up people!

U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Form M-592 (8/15/03)
ENDGAME
Office of Detention and
Removal Strategic Plan,
2003 - 2012
Detention and Removal Strategy
for a Secure Homeland

49 page document...this is just a fraction:

DRO MISSION
“Promote the public safety and
national security by ensuring the
departure from the United States of
all removable aliens through the
fair and effective enforcement of
the nation’s immigration laws.”


1. Investigating threats, crimes, and
administrative violations;
2. Deterring, interdicting, and
removing threats; and policing
and securing federal facilities;

3. Provide air and marine support to
minimize the damage, and assist in
the recovery from terrorist attacks;
4. Protect America from customs
and immigration violations not
directly linked to terrorism;
5. Investigate money laundering and
drug operations to disrupt and
dismantle their organizations,
especially where terrorist related.



B. DHS Critical Mission Areas
1. Intelligence and warning;
2. Border and transportation
security
• Create smart borders
• Reform immigration services.
3. Domestic counter-terrorism;
• Improve intergovernmental law
enforcement coordination.
• Facilitate apprehension of
potential terrorists.

4. Protecting critical infrastructure;
5. Defending against catastrophic
terrorism; and
Homeland Security to DRO 6. Emergency preparedness and response
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:16 PM
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29. THIS is the document I have been looking for!
I had read it before, and have been looking for it again for the last week. I knew it was ICE, but you reminded me it is called "Endgame". No link? I will try to search.

"Office of Detention" WTF!!???
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:55 PM
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32. let me know if you can find a link
I would like to have one...also if you can not find a link and want a copy...pm me with an email address and i will send it to you
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:55 PM
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35. Strange......
Yes, the .pdf file is gone! But here is a .html version. The format is odd, but there ya go.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:wgqnbfUioRkJ:www.ice.gov/graphics/dro/endgame.pdf+ICE+endgame&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Now WHY would they remove the document?????????
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:56 AM
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39. they also removed the press release from the Haliburton website
they were waving that thing around like an American Flag....but I found it buried on one of the goal planning (i think it was) areas. I am talking about the anouncement that they were awarded the contract to build containment areas.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:32 PM
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49. see post #48
I think this might be what you're looking for.

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/pi/dro/endgame.pdf

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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:40 PM
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24. K&R... I sent a note off to Senator Harkin...
...just to get his take on this. We need to know exactly what this is. And if they stick with the explanation that really says nothing more than, "just in case we need it", this needs to be shut down. Immediately.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:57 PM
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28. I hope you get a reasonable reply.
Peace.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:56 PM
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26. You've seen this Google video footage, right?
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 10:51 PM by intheflow
http://getintheirface.blogspot.com/2006/03/fema-camp-footage-google-video.html

I can't vouch that it's true, but the video sure looks convincing. :(

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:40 PM
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30. "This building could be used for processing..."
:scared:
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:52 PM
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31. That... and the very large gas incinerators.
:scared:

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:48 AM
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38. Seems kind of paranoid to me.
Yes, if everything they say in that video is true, it's rather curious, but the large majority of what they say is basically just speculation, suggestion, hints of paranoia, and outright fabrications--such as describing a radio antenna tower as "an excellent watchtower." Generally, you need more than one watchtower, and it helps if it's not located at one end of the facility. Or oh-so-subtly implying that new furnaces = disposal of bodies, without mentioning any of the other parts that you would need to do something like that, or for that matter the fact that modern heating furnaces could never be used to dispose of corpses.

Stripped of the bias, it looks to me like a fairly simple case of an unused facility that's used as a convenient excuse for pouring federal money into the state's economy. If it were really some nefarious extermination camp the way they imply, do you think they would be allowed to wander around filming?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:55 AM
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43. Well...
Two points on that.

One, we don't really know who took the footage. Its source is listed as anonymous, so it could be someone with security clearance and a conscience walking around with a very small, concealed camera.

Secondly, it wasn't so much the furnaces that initially raised my hackles. It was the fencing with the barbed wire facing inward. Whatever your views on the immigration issues in the US, the millions of Latinos who just protested throughout the US did so peacefully, proving they are not a mass security threat. The people that were living in filth for a week at the Superdome after Katrina were by and large peaceful (except for a very few, a minority of the hundreds of thousands there living in such a stressful situation), so again, evacuees are not a mass security threat. There should be no need for large, barbed wire holding areas for the US immigration and FEMA.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:19 PM
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33. I just heard tonight on CNN...
...that "hundreds" of "illegal aliens" were rounded up today--as part of a large crackdown.

I am so sorry I wasn't paying closer attention. I was trying to get my two kids to bed, but I know I did hear this. I also heard that they arrested the owners of the businesses who employed these illegals.

When I heard this story...I wondered where they were taking all of these people.

It's not coincidence that rightwinghate radio is taking on the issue of immigration right now. They're simultaneously igniting disdain for Hispanics. They are attempting to demonize Hispanics--not immigrants--Hispanics.

I fear for the future.

They are using Hitleresque, organized, harsh propaganda techniques on Americans, in an effort to make people HATE Hispanics. It is sickening. They are being positioned as criminals, job stealers, drug dealers. Last week, in Iowa--a conservative radio host was blaming "illegals" for the mumps outbreak in our state.

This is incredibly serious....very, very grave.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:00 AM
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36. MSNBC reprt:
Hundreds nabbed in immigration raid
Executives, workers arrested in nationwide move against pallet maker


Updated: 7:40 p.m. ET April 19, 2006
WASHINGTON - Immigration agents arrested seven executives and hundreds of employees of a manufacturer of crates and pallets Wednesday as part of a crackdown on employers of illegal workers.

Authorities raided offices and plants of IFCO Systems in at least eight states, the culmination of a yearlong criminal investigation, law enforcement officials said.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested seven current and former IFCO Systems managers on charges they conspired to transport, harbor and encourage illegal workers to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain, said Glenn T. Suddaby, the chief federal prosecutor in Albany, N.Y., where some arrests were made.

<snip>

Raids across the U.S.
Raids took place at several locations in upstate New York and in Biglerville, Pa.; Charlotte, N.C.; Cincinnati, Houston, Phoenix, Richmond, Va., and Westborough, Mass.

"ICE has no tolerance for corporate officers who harbor illegal aliens for their work force. Today's nationwide enforcement actions show how we will use all our investigative tools to bring these individuals to justice, no matter how large or small their company," said ICE chief Julie Myers.

<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12393925/
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:36 AM
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40. ICE chief Julie Myers.
Is that General Myers' daughter?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:37 PM
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47. Maybe they thought the parallels would be too obvious
if they went with the anti-Semitic propaganda? :shrug:
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:28 PM
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34. Okay...K & R cuz we need everyone to look at this!
Two years ago a friend in Canada asked if we knew about the plans for concentration camps in the US. I told her then that I suspected it was paranoia. I've been thinking back on that conversation last couple of weeks....since hearing about the contracts to build these camps. I also don't like the title of the document --- END GAME??? What does that suggest?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:02 AM
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42. Final Solution. These are not creative people. Their plans are reruns.nt
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:26 AM
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37. It doesn't make sense.
The current administration has taken a lot of money from companies that not only employ illegals but are involved in trafficking. Now they want to detain them?

They are using the illegals as a smokescreen. The company that was raided earlier, I don't believe was a Bush contributor, at least from what I could find.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:44 AM
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41. justice1, this is NOT about illegals.
Read the last part of this statement from KBR. "to support the rapid development of new programs"

This is about Martial Law.




The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said.
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:19 PM
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44. I realize that
Everyone has been asking why all of the talk about illegals all of the sudden. Like I said, it's a smokescreen so they can build the detention centers, with little protest.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:59 PM
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45. k&r
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:30 PM
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48. Found an "Endgame" pdf on the .gov website
Get it before it's "disappeared": http://www.ice.gov/doclib/pi/dro/endgame.pdf

It's the "Office of Detention and Removal Strategic Plan, 2003-2012 -- Detention and Removal Strategy for a Secure Homeland" :puke:

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