"Live & Let Live" Morality vs. Legality - Purity Ball Revisited

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Having returned this morning to a thread begun yesterday afternoon, I was astounded by what I found there. The thread was on fire!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x958611

I was Reply #3 to the original post and I replied to Reply #1 before I had to carry on with my day...

"Live and let live" is a motto that I have lived by my entire life, as many liberals have - you could say that it is a cornerstone. Morality, it seems, is truly in the eye of the beholder, and law is law.

I see this argument in the original thread: If it's illegal, then it's bad. If it's legal, it's o.k. Parental responsibility trumps all, unless it's illegal.

The American legal system is based primarily on the Common Law that arrived with "us" from England - Common Law was based on common ideas of what was fair, right and moral at the time. Generally speaking, the law is in flux at all times, guided by the prevailing winds of morality, or Right vs. Wrong. You don't need to hear it from me that "morals" have been the hot button issue for many years now and that they have been steadily pushing at the foundations of our Democracy - stepping over the line between Church and State.

The questions I posit are these:

If the laws that are in place pertaining to rape, incest, molestation, etc. (sex crimes) - "moral" laws, if you will - somehow were stricken from the books, would it make those actions any less reprehensible? Would it give any sense of justice to the person we can no longer call a victim? Does taking away the criminal aspect make it acceptable?

and...

As to virginity until marriage - what if you are unable to be legally married? Are you supposed to remain a virgin for the rest of your life? Does being homosexual render a person illegal? Is there some unwritten clause in the morality of virginity that allows for homosexual sex outside of marriage?

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My personal opinion - Women and Girls are no longer Property! Get TF over it, all ya' all.

On Edit: fixed link

[Terran1212]

1. I live in a very rich and Republican area

And if I wasn't the child of muslim immigrants, I might just have attached myself to THEIR morals.

Which are more or less a version of: "I love myself, **** everyone else"

That's about as far as it goes, and they constantly demand that legality back that up.

But that's just what they think as far as morals; I can't convince them any way else about it. My solution is just to get non-psychotic people to outnumber them and set the law differently.

[Iblis]

2. Depends on who the question is addressed to...

Myself, I'm all about live at let live: Do what thou wilt and harm none.

I believe the current Junta would tell you that it's better to remain a virgin until marriage, even if you never marry: remember, these are people that would make you carry a baby as a product of rape or incest, and even if you would die. Homosexuality is an abomination and is illegal no matter how you slice it according to them.

Your link doesn't work.

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[ken_g]

3. Link not working.../ nt

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4. Link fixed - Thanks for the heads up! nt

[JuniperLea]

5. And ... you still don't get it

"The questions I posit are these:

If the laws that are in place pertaining to rape, incest, molestation, etc. (sex crimes) - "moral" laws, if you will - somehow were stricken from the books, would it make those actions any less reprehensible?"

-Of course not. I fail to see what this has to do with a parent teaching a child their own moral code, which is, by the way, truly live and let live. :shrug: Are you saying that because you don't believe in it, they should not teach their children that virginity is a good thing? I don't get how that is a good thing at all.


"Would it give any sense of justice to the person we can no longer call a victim? Does taking away the criminal aspect make it acceptable?"

-I don't know where you are getting this, but it is clearly a tangent, at best, to yesterday's discussion. You are assuming that someone wants the laws changed somehow... is this right?


and...

"As to virginity until marriage - what if you are unable to be legally married? Are you supposed to remain a virgin for the rest of your life? Does being homosexual render a person illegal? Is there some unwritten clause in the morality of virginity that allows for homosexual sex outside of marriage?"


-Those questions can only be answered by the individuals involved. No one is saying that EVERYONE must be forced to remain a virgin until marriage! That is the freaking point!! To answer, or put a definitive "solution" to any of these would clearly negate any "live and let live" beliefs. Live and let live means exactly that... you live by your own code (as long as it does not infringe on another) and everyone else has the right to live by their own code.


There is no harm with remaining a virgin until you get married. This is a belief held by many cultures and many religions. It is their right. It is your right to disagree with that belief. That being said, you cannot force a belief upon another, nor can you allow another to force one upon you.