Serious request. Framing upgrade.. Brewster-Jennings vs revenge..

[peacetalksforall]

Talk up Brewster Jennings, not WIlson. Brewster-Jennings is all about shutting down a CIA investigative program. Tracking and investigating the movement of wmds, an investigation specifically targeting nuclear arms and movement, plus Iran. Khan. Cheney. There is information all over the internet

Truth. Wallop. Punch. This is the time for thousands of people to find the time to stop and learn. What's involved is more than an act of taking revenge on Wilson. What's went down as far as the entire operation was much more serious and will get thinking people involved.

It did effect the Wilsons. Definitely. But, this admin would like nothing better than to defend themselves by saying that she was not covert, she selected him, no law was broken. The broken law about outing CIA covert agents is serious. The bigger picture is a bigger issue.

Some DUers are asking where Wilson is. He can say plenty about his story and he is savvy enough to know when to speak and when not to. It is very obvious that it would be improper of him to say much, if anything, about Brewster-Jennings.

Try to get Air America and other good people to switch the emphasis from revenge to the closing down of a CIA operation.

Instead of saying 'leak' say ' the leak that brought down Brewster-Jennings' of something similar. Educate people about B-J.

[Sinti]

1. K&R

[Just Me]

2. They intentionally and deeeeeviously outed a WMD op.

They did so at the sacrifice of our security. They did so to cover-up their intentional deception about Iraq's WMD capabilities.

They are criminal.

[Sinti]

3. This is treason of the highest order

for all intents and purposes it's divulging secrets to the enemy, in a round the bend kind of way.

[Disturbed]

4. Brewster Jennings was a "Covert CIA Operation".

Whether V.Wilson aka V. Plame was covert at the time of her outing as a CIA Employee is not as relevant as the exposure of Brewster Jennings. Brewster Jennings was a front company and it was known as an energy company and not known actively to the public to be a front for the CIA, that also means covert. In my view the deliberate exposure of Brewster Jennings was an act of Treason.

The President or VP is NOT authorized to declassify Covert CIA Operatives &/or their Operations.

From Executive Order 13292
Sec. 6.2. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall supersede any requirement made by or under the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended, or the National Security Act of 1947, as amended. "Restricted Data" and "Formerly Restricted Data" shall be handled, protected, classified, downgraded, and declassified in conformity with the provisions of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended, and regulations issued under that Act.

(b) The Attorney General, upon request by the head of an agency or the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office, shall render an interpretation of this order with respect to any question arising in the course of its administration.

(c) Nothing in this order limits the protection afforded any information by other provisions of law, including the Constitution, Freedom of Information Act exemptions, the Privacy Act of 1974, and the National Security Act of 1947, as amended. This order is not intended to and does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, officers, employees, or agents. The foregoing is in addition to the specific provisos set forth in sections 3.1(b) and 5.3(e) of this order."

(d) Executive Order 12356 of April 6, 1982, was revoked as of October 14, 1995.

link: http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html

Then an excerpt from the National Security Act of 1947 as ammended:

TITLE VI - PROTECTION OF CERTAIN NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION

PROTECTION OF IDENTITIES OF CERTAIN UNITED STATES UNDERCOVER
INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS, AGENTS, INFORMANTS, AND SOURCES

SEC. 601. <50 U.S.C. 421> (a) Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b) Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identity of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(c) Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than three years or both.

(d) A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment.


http://www.iwar.org.uk/sigint/resources/national-security-act/1947-act.html

[Sinti]

9. Exactly

Why arrest a murderer for littering after you find his bullets on the sidewalk.

[Just Me]

12. Excellent analogy.

Excellent!!!! :hi:

[Just Me]

10. Even their assertion the prez can instantaneously DE-classify info,...

,...fails to cover the outing of an operation tracking WMDs. Two separate issues.

There is a STRONG CASE developing that this administration INTENTIONALLY conspired to reveal a covert agent and operation and the damage for that activity is surely becoming more evident. The memo about painting US military planes to look like UN planes surely plays into all this. Someone is out there putting all the pieces together and I am becoming more convinced that this administration WILL go down in something more than mere humiliation.

[WiseButAngrySara]

29. God, I hope you're right. I just heard (very briefly, because torie clark

came on, and i had to turn it off or puke) Begala mention a point that the entire rest of M$M has ignored, including the WH Press corp conference. That is the fact that B* selectively declassified only those portions of the NIE that would benefit his case for war, but had the entire document been declassified, it would have shown grave doubts about his very justification! B* is a frigging immoral lying hood!

[Iowa]

36. Aldrich Hazen Ames... George Walker Bush... John Anthony Walker...

This is how he should be remembered. Actually he's far worse.

[tsuki]

5. Sorry, it is not about revenge or politics. It was about WAR.

pResident Camel Boy knew that the operatives that worked for Brewster-Jennings tracking WMDs would not agree with his Iraq and Irani lies.

So he closed down the CIA, had Operatives MURDERED and AIDED the TERRORISTS. He put Americans in HARM'S WAY.

And he can't sign those consequences away by signing an Executive Order.

[EVDebs]

6. Chalabi was an Iranian spy. What does that make Bush ? n/t

[Sinti]

7. A madman who does not have a problem playing along with his enemies

if he thinks it will get him to where he wants to be in the long run. This is not really a new idea for world leaders IMO. If he knew, and someone might have, they probably figured they could use him, then turn around a shoot him in the back, np. They still might, it's right out of the "how to make wars" instruction manual, historically speaking.

[Just Me]

15. He's as much an amoral opportunist as his neoconster friends.

No honor, no integrity, no investment in human interests,...it's all about serving themselves.

Can you believe these self-serving tyrants are running this nation? :shrug: It still boggles my mind.

[hootinholler]

18. You assume too much.

More and more I'm convinced the american people are the enemy.

-Hoot

[Sinti]

20. Shh... I try not to think that way

Friends tend to question my sanity often enough already. :scared:

[Just Me]

22. *smile*

Funny how almost EVERY opponent around the globe (except some Americans, weirdly) point out that their dissent is focused on the BushCO/neocon regime (check out all the protest signs with a horned Bush et al.),....and that they actually feel compassion for Americans being wielded by those fuckers.

It's an amazing and HEALTHY human phenomenon, distinguishing a people from the leadership.

[autorank]

8. Excellent point!!! They were just stopping clandestine WMD sales...

...that's all. Great point.

Recommended

[sundancekid]

11. BRAVO. this B-J is in fact their own BJ, and way worse than a dress stain

let's add to the Brewester Jennings frame - I have thought all along that while the busheviks are all people of the small-penis mentality, that mere revenge on Joe Wilson was not sufficient reason for the elaborate scheme to curtail credibility -- there HAD to be MUCH MORE AT STAKE for going to THAT length

[Just Me]

19. I agree. In spite of their reputation of being vengeful, to knowingly,...

,...expose an operation focused on WMD proliferation (and we CAN SAFELY assume they KNEW what B-J was all about) tends to lend support to your theory that, "there HAD to be MUCH MORE AT STAKE for going to THAT length."

This wasn't merely a matter of suppressing a challenge to the truth about the WMD claims marketed by the administration. They had to take criminal risks to cover up something far more egregious. I believe that,...I always have believed that. While I appreciate the gross violation of Joe and Valerie's lives,...the broader implications associated with this administration's actions are, well, treasonous, at least worthy of being fully within the realm of "high crimes".

They INTENTIONALLY CONSPIRED TO DECEIVE their own nation into a trillion dollar, human rights nightmare, without end,....and while millions of people are suffering from their DEEEEVIOUS deceit, they and theirs are making a mint in broad fucking daylight!!!! They are oil barrons and infrastructure profiteers who have abused laws and human rights who have been exploiting peoples around the globe BEFORE they STOLE power over the USA. They are NOW intentionally exploiting their own nation, their own congress, their own people.

They are WORSE than any common criminal. FAR WORSE. Look at the damage they have WILLFULLY IMPOSED upon so many innocent people: American people, Iraqi people, Afganistans.

They are as evil as any human being could possibly be,...and they are still free, walking the halls of the Pentagon and Whitehouse and,...

geez,...I'm getting depressed at all these scummy fucking human affairs ;(

[WiseButAngrySara]

30. This post is excellent, but it made me cry! ....n/t

[cascadiance]

34. Yup, it takes a BJ to impeach, get this information out!

Talk to Sibel Edmonds, Fitzgerald! (sung to the tune of Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald)

That will unlock the truth about this mess!

[lostnfound]

13. kicked for an excellent idea. Good for watercooler talk & LTTEs. nt

[Nictuku]

14. Randi is on this already

She was talking about Brewster Jennings last (july?) and focusing there. I agree 100 percent, shutting down this covert operation endangers our country! This is Treasonous!!

[seemslikeadream]

16. Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's

Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart. Read about it here: http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf or http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2178477#2180220

[Just Me]

23. Darth Vader Cheney,...intentionally concealing his arms profiteering.

Imagine that. :eyes: I guarantee Rummy was playing as a partner with Cheney in all that.

They are hated human beings because they MAKE people hate them. They exploit, impose their will, oppress,...with no thought about the consequences on human life because they have no conscience, no concern, no compassion, no commitment to anyone other than themselves.

They call themselves "amoral",...which is another word for reckless evil.

[ClassWarrior]

17. "They BLEW THE COVER on an entire CIA operation..."

K&R

NGU.

[bleever]

28. Ding! That's the clear, simple, and complete story, right there.

NGU!


:hi:

[yodermon]

21. What about Fitz?

Has Fitzgerald ever mentioned Brewster-Jennings in all of his copious filings?
Seems like that would be a very important point over and above Plame's identity.
As in, espionage.

[Just Me]

25. Fitz has played the secure position; the one that will force revelations.

He doesn't have to pursue any risk on this prosecution. He has a winning hand no matter what anyone does.

The anchor of his prosecution is inevitably provoking lots of reactions by those who have every reason to be,....concerned,...scrambling and creating and covering and rationalizing and easily placing themselves in the corner they themselves built.

I am learning a LOT from this tortuous Plamegate experience. My patience is perpetually tested, but,...I am learning from the observation of this unfolding event.

[peacetalksforall]

26. I think Fitzgerald only has to stick with the letter of the law. He

doesn't have to be political and from everything that is said - he stays far away from politics.

[BrklynLiberal]

24. Kicked and recommended !

[whopis01]

27. kick n/t

[stop the bleeding]

31. Yes everyone keep this as the topic "Brewster-Jennings vs revenge.."

K&R

[WiseButAngrySara]

32. This entire thread was excellent and informative. K & R! ...n/t

[troubleinwinter]

33. I UTTERLY agree. It points out the true crime. Plame was not the only

person to be 'outted', but unknown numbers of people who had put their lives on the line, here and abroad.

It is a depicable crime. Unfortunately while some people know the name 'Plame', they are unaware of the lives put in jeopardy related to 'Brewster Jennings'.

[cascadiance]

35. Did Dave Kelly REALLY just commit suicide? We need to find out!

[progressoid]

37. Very good idea!!

:kick: