My neon red county's pissed local homeless are getting fed funds

[rainbow4321]

Just when I think this county can not get any more hateful..this is a county repuke's reaction to our county getting nearly $500,000 from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development for the local homeless and mentally ill:


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/collin/stories/DN-homeless_31cco.ART0.North.Edition2.22d191e7.html


Collin County commissioner Jerry Hoagland said he agrees with helping Hope's Door because it serves domestic violence victims.

But he said the goal of trying to end homelessness is too large. He said the homeless have always been around and always will be. "If the rationale is to try to stamp out homelessness, I don't think that's ever going to happen," he said.

He said he worries the grants will cause more homeless people to move to Plano. He said many problems in Dallas and other cities can be attributed to the homeless population.

"I'm just fearful we're going to end up with same thing here," he said. "I don't believe it's the government's place to do everything under the sun for people."

[MichiganVote]

1. The vast majority of homeless are children. How does he feel about that?

[mrcheerful]

2. Unless they don't need money or help that is, then its a give away program

[roguevalley]

3. Hopefully, he will be one of them. What would Jesus do?

[roguevalley]

4. People should send him the love.

[petgoat]

5. Under the Republican "Disciplined Father" Model as

set forth in George Lakoff's "Don't Think of an Elephant", virtue is rewarded and
evil is punished. Therefore rich people may be assumed to be virtuous, and poor
people may be assumed to be evil (shiftless, lazy, drug addicted, etc.). According
to this view, helping poor people is a bad thing to do. That's the mindset we're
up against.

You can read DToaE in a couple of hours.

[rainbow4321]

6. Not his first ignorant comment

To qualify for this county's indigent health care program a person has to make LESS than $2328 a YEAR..not month, but year. Below was Hoagland's comments on why this is acceptable:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3025494.html

"They said I made too much," said Wright, who would have to have earned less than $2,328 a year to qualify for indigent health care in Collin County. But the county's fiscal conservatism has thus far proved to be an immovable force.

"You bet. We don't like to pay taxes," said Collin County Commissioner Jerry Hoagland. "Nobody I'm talking with wants to raise taxes to pay for this."

"They brag they haven't spent taxpayer money on this in 20 years," said Pam Kaus, health care coordinator for Collin County Interfaith. The group, which has been vocal on the issue, was rebuffed in 2003 when it sought county money to open a clinic.

<snip>

"We don't want to place barriers between health care and people's need for health care, but the thing we've been after is fraud," Hoagland said. "People have tried to get money who owned Lexus automobiles and had $150,000 houses. People will abuse the system."

[zbdent]

7. "People have tried to get money who owned Lexus automobiles

and had $150,000 houses. People will abuse the system."

You know, he's talking about his own kind . . .

[bammertheblue]

12. that's a great book

My mom bought it for me to try to get me out of my depression after the 2004 election...and it is a very fast but very interesting read.

[Ian David]

8. Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

September 27, 2004
Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Monday, September 27, 2004

The Tax Foundation has released a fascinating report showing which states benefit from federal tax and spending policies, and which states foot the bill.

The report shows that of the 32 states (and the District of Columbia) that are "winners" -- receiving more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 76% are Red States that voted for George Bush in 2000. Indeed, 17 of the 20 (85%) states receiving the most federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Red States. Here are the Top 10 states that feed at the federal trough (with Red States highlighted in bold):


States Receiving Most in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. D.C. ($6.17)
2. North Dakota ($2.03)
3. New Mexico ($1.89)
4. Mississippi ($1.84)
5. Alaska ($1.82)
6. West Virginia ($1.74)
7. Montana ($1.64)
8. Alabama ($1.61)
9. South Dakota ($1.59)
10. Arkansas ($1.53)

In contrast, of the 16 states that are "losers" -- receiving less in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes -- 69% are Blue States that voted for Al Gore in 2000. Indeed, 11 of the 14 (79%) of the states receiving the least federal spending per dollar of federal taxes paid are Blue States. Here are the Top 10 states that supply feed for the federal trough (with Blue States highlighted in bold):

States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

Two states -- Florida and Oregon (coincidentally, the two closest states in the 2000 Presidential election) -- received $1.00 in federal spending for each $1.00 in federal taxes paid.

More:
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html


See also:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/62.html

[zippy890]

9. a half a million $ for homeless and he doesn't want it?!!!

what a world class Moran - these programs benefit everyone, especially the poor homeless souls who need it the most, many of them are mentally ill and need to be in one of the SPC - shelter plus care programs that HUD offers

localities should be thrilled HUD is giving them $$, because HUD is cutting back housing programs in other parts of the country, to provide relief to areas impacted by hurricane -displaced people.

[PsN2Wind]

10. Try pointing out to them

that with the resurfacing of Pentagon waste (2.6 trillion dollars) unaccounted for, and that being 4 and a half years ago. If that money was available, housing could be provided for every homeless person in this country. And that would leave a substantial amount for health care for the uninsured.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

11. Now I would like to sit down with Mr. Hoagland

and talk to him about my childhood. I never saw a beggar, I never saw a homeless person. I lived in an urban area. It wasn't until I was a late teenager that I heard about drunks in alleys. Back in "the old days" the drunks were taken in and sobered up and showered and sent on home. There was a support system in place. I never even heard of a food pantry back then!

I am not a sociologist, I don't know what happened and when. But tho some look back on it as a time of repression, to me the 50's were much stronger as far as a safety net for indigent and hungry.

Anyone? Was welfare easy to get? Did people hide? Was it easier to stay in the hospital, mental hospital, even jail? The concept of "homeless" was not something I ever heard of growing up, except over in India. And those children I personally assisted by being a member of the clean plate club.

[EST]

13. Welfare was easy to get and there was a system of

support that supplied foodstuff-"commodities"-for the needy. Sure the people with a lot of money bitched and bitched and many felt the system unfair but hunger and desperately poor conditions were not as bad as today. The richest of the rich were fewer and the range between poorest and richest was not nearly so wide, but people were a lot happier.

[SomewhereOutThere424]

14. If he doesn't think it's the government's right to do everything under the

sun for people...why does he and all his other conservative friends never SHUT UP about what the government should do? Or is it simple arrogance and he feels only republicans deserve help?