Official Censure Hearing Thread # 8- Judiciary Committee

[liveoaktx]

Link to # 7

[liveoaktx]

1. Specter beating up on the witness, but sucking up to Turner

[liveoaktx]

2. Turner- Al Capone example

[Norquist Nemesis]

4. That is SOOOOO pre-9/11 thinking! n/t

[LSK]

3. what happened to Specter

He was "upset" about this whole program but now hes its #1 defender.

[The Witch]

7. The Spectre got a visit from Dr. Doom, I'm sure.

:eyes:

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. Maybe Rove decided to join the gallery. n/t

[Coexist]

9. honestly, I don't think he likes Feingold, personally.

He has a little sneer in his voice when he speaks of him.

[liveoaktx]

15. Yes, and he loses no opportunity to snipe at him

[LSK]

16. or fears him

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Blackmail. He was probably wiretapped and the info obtained from

the wiretap was used to blackmail him. IMCPO.

[liveoaktx]

5. I just can't STAND it- I WANT THE NSA PROGRAM INVESTIGATED

I want the point of WILL WE ALLOW THIS AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DATA AFTER THEY COLLECT IT to be answered, demmit.

[LSK]

14. hopefully a year from now, it will

Win in November

[Coexist]

6. Turner "its the target that matters"

"I'm told that there is new technology that makes it hard to do FISA."

So FIX FISA - like you couldn't go back and do that. Please. Its been YEARS since 9/11 and Bush has repeatedly INSISTED that he was getting warrants since then.

[liveoaktx]

10. And that's the point- he LIED about getting warrants-if it wasn't

possible to use FISA to do the kind of fishing expedition he was doing, he should have stopped.

[Coexist]

27. exactly - after 9/11 everyone was so spooked they would have

changed it to be whatever Bush wanted it to be.

This adminstration LIED when they said it didn't need to be fixed, and LIED when they said they were getting warrants. Period.

[berner59]

What is he talking about????

He's so lying!!! There IS NO delay!!! They can go back and get a warrant you ASS!!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. Makes you wonder who they were between 2003 and Nov 04. n/t

[Sydnie]

20. but he has insisted that those warrants were through the

Patriot Act not because of FISA. They are trying to make it seem that one is different than the other. They are not, imho.

[napi21]

28. I would LOVE to find out what steps, and how much effort it

REALLY takes to get a FISA WARRANT! The objectors always make it sound like it's SUCH a burdensome task, it's impossible to use, and the supporters make very light of the requirements.

Is there ANYWHERE we can get the TRUTH?

[Thorandmjolnir]

The man is an idiot.

"There are people trying to kill us" and "it to cumbersome".

Well, there are people the US, righht now, who are trying to kill other americans (they are called criminals), but we cant spy on them without a court order!

This is BS. This whole National Security crap is a ruse for dictatorial power grab.

Who in their right mind think that a group of people halfway around the world can ever threaten the NATIONAL SECURITY of the United States?

The Soviet Union could do it, but only because on massive nuclear weapons.

Even 9-11 was not a threat to national security. All essential functions of government remained intact and there was NO INVASION.

Absolutely BS.

[azmouse]

11. I wish someone would tell Spector to shut up!

He's talking more than the witnesses. Arrrghhh... I can't stand him!!

[dogday]

13. Feinstein's office number is busy, busy, busy

Either they are getting a boat-load of calls or they took the phone off the hook... All the other calls were busy, they would answer would you hold please, so I know people are calling....

[Norquist Nemesis]

19. GOOD!

I hope they're getting slammed by constituents for shirking their duty.

[rodeodance]

21. Keep calling the AWOL Dems!

[The Witch]

17. This is about all I can stand.

We can't possibly be living in a society that is OK with widespread wiretapping because of fear of some invisible enemy. We can't possibly be that far gone, can we?

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[dogday]

24. We need to send a strong message to our Democratic

leaders who should of been sitting in session on this panel.... A strong message....

[LSK]

26. we are definately there

We attacked a defenseless country because of the same boogieman fear.

[Norquist Nemesis]

30. Yes. We can.

They've managed to pick out the piece that makes it okay, and dismiss the rest because the first is in the interest of 'national security'.

[EVDebs]

18. Turner, the Pres. already has Task Force 121 (now renumbered)

What civilian control of the military is there ?

[liveoaktx]

23. Graham up- after Fein... "This crowd in the White House really believes

this stuff. Will you give them credit for believing what they believe?"

[liveoaktx]

29. It isn't a matter of CREDIT, ass. The people that believe this are INSANE

my comment, not on the tv.

[Coexist]

32. They believe they can lie and they believe they can break the law

so it must be okay.

[librechik]

53. belief is a conviction unsupported by facts

there is nothing sacred or even evidential about "belief"

[LilyLibber]

25. Am I wrong here...

or do the existing FISA laws have a provision that if something requires "immediate action," that the NSA could START the wiretaps immediately and had a 30 day "grace period" to get all the approvals? If that's true, his argument is a steaming load.

[stop the bleeding]

34. Welcome to DU and it is a load n/t

[napi21]

42. Not 30 days, but 72 hours. n/t

[LilyLibber]

80. Thanks! I heard the 30-day thing...

on an NPR report a month or so ago, so I can't verify that. Even so, the FISA folks do nothing BUT this, right?

[napi21]

93. As far as I know that's right.

It's not the complaint that FISA judges are too slow, but that it's too much work for the AG.

[dogday]

31. Lindsey Graham is an ASSHOLE of huge proportions

He is not behaving as a Senator.....

[EVDebs]

Lindsey Graham is an IDIOT. Reviewing history w/Dean

is playing with fire. The Ellsberg break in was done for NATIONAL SECURITY reasons by Nixon.

[EVDebs]

68. Graham doesn't mention the AUMFs are based upon LIES

in order to give Bush authority to do whatever he wants. War Powers Act of '73 requires 'clarity' and truthful circumstances and situations. Both AUMFs embed the WPAof'73

[rodeodance]

33. call these AWOL DEMS NOW.

-31-06 09:29 AM
Response to Original message
42. Call & ask where our Dems are! phone #s:
Fri Mar
Joe Biden
202-224-5042
state: Wilmington 302-573-6345
state: Milford 302-424-8090

DiFi corrected by a poster (difi is 202-224-3841)
202-22403841
state: LA 310-914-7300
state: San Diego 619-231-9712
state: San Fran 415-393-0707
state: Fresno 559-485-7430

Dick Durbin
202-224-2152
State: springfield 217-492-4062
state: chicago 312-353-4952
state: marion 618-998-8812

Ted Kennedy
202-224-4543
state: boston 617-565-3170

Chuckie
202-224-6542
state: nyc 212-486-4430
state: buffalo 716-846-4111
state: albany 518-431-4070
state: binghamton: 607-772-6792
state: hudson valley 914-285-9741
state: long island 631-753-0978
state: rochester 585-263-5866
state: syracuse 315-423-5471

GO!

Qs: 'Why isn't the Senator attending today's meeting of the Judiciary Committee?"
"Why not?"
"Doesn't he think the testimony important?"
"Doesn't he think the issue worth debating?

[Sydnie]

35. the new meme is "robust authority"?

Like a good cup of coffee - "robust flavor"?

[fooj]

36. Kennedy is MIA!!!!!!!!! His office says that "He has had a busy week"

Fuck this.

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Apparently they've changed their answer then

Another poster said his office answered that "Not all Democrats (or Senators?) agree with Senator Feingold". Never mind it's their DUTY to be there!

[lonestarnot]

73. WTF?

[liveoaktx]

37. Graham is badgering Dean

[Sydnie]

40. Yes he is! What a dick! n.t

[fooj]

46. He sure as hell is.

What a bunch of slimy rat bastards!

[Coexist]

38. "you are showing that you don't know that subject very well."

Dean on the closet case.

Ha ha!

[dogday]

39. Shut Up Lindsey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

41. Graham doing his Perry Mason tactics

The Prosecutor in Perry Mason shows anyway. :eyes:

[babylonsister]

43. Graham revisiting Watergate? WTF?nt

[liveoaktx]

The plan is to attack John Dean's credibility

[stop the bleeding]

49. it appears that way n/t

[SujiwanKenobee]

44. Idiot Graham playing on the word "Belief" as though this is some kind of

religious revival of opposing denominations.

[Canuckistanian]

59. As if "belief" is evidence of legality

[rodeodance]

So the lesson learned:--If Pres. really really believes in his actions as

doing good. all is well. what a bunch of illogical crapola.

[rodeodance]

45. te he Dean tell Grahm he does not know his history!

[stop the bleeding]

47. .

:popcorn:

[RepublicanElephant]

48. geez, is graham on crack? n/t

.

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. Verbal fistacuffs

Someone go smack Lindsay!

[Coexist]

51. Leahy is trying to shut Graham up.

Graham is a dick.

[rodeodance]

52. Leahy wants to talk but Sp. says Dean defending himself well.

[liveoaktx]

56. If this was a court room, Graham would have been shut down for badgering

[The Witch]

54. Oh. Oh. Oh. Now this is good.

He covered it up for national security reasons.

no, he covered up to cover his ass.

UM HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PRES ISN'T DOING THE SAME THING you fucking MORON

[Norquist Nemesis]

61. Ummm, Because Bush is a 'good man and a good Christian'?

Just guessing here. :shrug:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

64. Dean should have asked him

if he was trying to make the arguement that because Nixon did it, then B*sh can to?

idiot

[LSK]

55. Gramm is badgering the witness

[dogday]

57. Graham would rather talk about Nixon

instead of wire-tapping of American citizens without a warrant... Does not anyone beside Leahy and Feingold care about the people????

[The Witch]

60. No. nobody does.

I better write my will because one of these days I will be disappeared.

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. Lindsey Graham is an asshole. He's actually defending this bullshit

because the people in the WH believe that what they're doing is RIGHT! What they're doing is OK because they think it's OK? Is that REALLY what he's saying? It's OK because the WH thinks it has all the power to do ANYTHING it wants to do? WTF????

[fooj]

65. Charles Manson BELIEVED that he was right, too!

What a crock of shit.

[Mnemosyne]

90. So did Hitler, the Klan, etc., etc., etc. bastard fuckers!!

A huge steaming crock of shit fooj!!!

[speedoo]

70. Graham is a complete asshole.

Immature asswipe should be chasing ambulances in South Carolina.

[Why Syzygy]

86. Supposed to be okay

because Nixon was a crook. Yeah that makes sense. In the outer limits.

[in_cog_ni_to]

62. This is going to get NASTY. n/t

[adigal]

63. Graham, that bully, does not want answers

He is a coward and a bully, too bad he can make himself look reasonable.

[Thorandmjolnir]

75. Please read up on this little A-hole

And what he has done in the Detainee Treatment Act. Falsyfying statement to the Supreme Court. Coordinating with the DOJ about the whole isse.

He is despicable.

Glad to see Dean hand him his ass.

[EVDebs]

"Inherent authority vs. plenary authority"-- Leahy

Important issue here on regulating power of Pres !

[earthside]

66. Leahy the ONLY other Dem there?

Is that true?

Sen. Leahy is the ONLY other Democrat at this committee hearing?

Unbelievable.

[Norquist Nemesis]

74. Ranking member

But at least he's doing his duty...unlike the rest of them.

[rodeodance]

89. Sen Kohl is there (at least I saw him earlier)

[stop the bleeding]

69. Was Graham's last statement odd to anyone ??????

doesn't agree with the WH but does not doubt that they meant well - WTF is that suppose to mean??

[Coexist]

everything he said was all emotion and conjecture

and no sense.

[Norquist Nemesis]

79. Faith based government

Especially when the Exec Branch is controlled by your party.

[in_cog_ni_to]

82. I missed it...was reading the thread. What did he say? n/t

[berner59]

84. Graham is rocking in his chair violently...

Like a little brat throwing a hissy fit... He was bitch slpped by Dean and he didn't like it...

[Norquist Nemesis]

87. He came unglued during that exchange n/t

[bdamomma]

85. GO AHEAD SENATOR LEAHY

HE IS PISSED. THESE DEMS SENS ARE RUNNING SCARED, NOT ONLY THE REPUBS, IT IS OUR TIME TO CALL THESE SENATORS AND GIVE IT TO THEM, AND TAKE US SERIOUSLY.

[liveoaktx]

71. >>>>>> THREAD NINE - >>>>>>>> LINK

NINE

[dogday]

72. Leahy said I am not concerned about the next election

Good man......

[fooj]

76. Bottom line.Dean's testimony is ALL OVER THE WIRES...

Take that one to the bank you lying mofo's..........

[sabra]

77. Why didn't Graham bring Alito's wife, so she can do some crying

because the Dem's are so mean...

[Norquist Nemesis]

83. ROFL!

:thumbsup:

Perry Mason Prosecutor

[coffeenap]

78. Leahy--no one is above the law, even the president. yes. nt

[adigal]

81. Dean just made Graham look stupid

for misspeaking about what happened at Watergate. Graham blew into the room, bullied the witnesses, and got egg on his face.

Leahy: I am not concerned about the next election - I have 5 years until my next election. I am concerned about the Constititution.

I LOVE Leahy. At least he is there, and swinging.

[rodeodance]

94. given Grahm's behavior today, it did not take much!

[otohara]

88. Graham Feverishly Rocking In His Chair -

nervous Senator?

[ToolTex]

92. Graham doesn't know his history.

He is too young to remember. It is worse than just looking stupid.

[bdamomma]

95. LEAHY IS LEAVING WHO DOES THAT LEAVE

JUST FEINGOLD, WHAT A BUNCH OF SHIT, AGAINST THOSE BROWN NOSES.

[bigtree]

91. Dean: history is repeating itself because there is no check

as there has been in the past.

[rodeodance]

96. Leahy said he had to leave:-(

[ToolTex]

97. Why does Hatch hate democracy?

n/T

[Skinner]

98. Locking

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