With all due respect, Kentuck, no time to enjoy...

[Joe Fields]

I haven't enjoyed too many days, I'm sorry to say, since Bush took office in Jan, 2001. And though it is true that Bush's poll numbers are down, that really doesn't do a lot for me, when you consider that the repubs are masterminds at constantly changing the subject, throwing off the scent of scandal after scandal. They have done it again, with this immigration legislation, and Americans have once again swallowed the hook.

Do you think it is coincidence that this subject of immigration reform just "happened" to pop up? I don't. The repub leadership sets the agenda. Frankly, I am sick of all this brouhaha over immigration, at a time when we keep finding out more and more information about Bush's illegal rush to war. With the revelation that came out from Great Brittain this week, and the revelation that from the first day Cheney took office all he was concerned about was Iraq, ALL of America should have absolutely no doubt that both Bush and Cheney should be impeached.

But, once again, when the noose should be tightening around their necks, they have managed to loosen them a bit with more sleight of hand. We are not hearing anything more about these recent revelations in the news. It seems that the info was only good for a 24 hr. news cycle. This utterly amazes me. And the bulk of discussion on DU? Immigration reform, for God's sake. What the fuck is up with this, people. Haven't we learned anything from the republican playbook?

So, no, Kentuck. While I respect your sentiment, I do not share it. I won't feel really good again until we can focus on getting scumbag Bush and his sidekick out of office, through impeachment convictions. And I fear that this will not happen, unless we maintain our focus, instead of being led down a different path once again.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR! CORRUPTION! CORRUPTION! CORRUPTION!

IMPEACHMENT! IMPEACHMENT! IMPEACHMENT!

I will shout it from the mountaintop, until people listen.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. i bet they have a LIST of irrelevant divisive issues ready to go

to throw out when a REAL scandal/issue appears....

[Joe Fields]

2. You can bet they are ready to go with them.

[RufusEarl]

3. Hi Joe,

This came to my attention yesterday, when a fellow DUer sent it to me. I read it with my mouth open, perhaps you'll take a couple of minutes and read this article as well.

If you feel compelled to reply back to me please feel free to do so, i would like to hear what you think of this speech.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Nonsense, the most effective way to destroy america is to

run up the debt
start needless, endless wars of fear & empire
let the corporations and religious fundamentalists make the laws
crush public education
eradicate the middle class
un-tax the rich
destroy the environment
ignore peak oil

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

[Joe Fields]

5. Thank you for your comment, Rufus.

I do not wish anyone to think that I do not care about some method of immigration reform. It is a problem that needs to be addressed. I am not astute enough on the subject of immigration and multi-culturalism to know or assume that Lamm is correct in his evaluation of how to destroy America. But what I do know to be a fact is this: Bush and his administration have systematically infiltrated and corrupted every single aspect of American life. They have purposely laid waste to every environmental law and statute, or circumvented others at the expense of mother earth and to the benefit if this administration's corporate buddies. Bush has illegally interpreted the constitution, in order to circumvent the other two branches of government and give him dictatorial powers. He has sold Americans a bill of goods, presenting us with fictitious enemies, thus setting the stage for a possible third world war, all for the benefit of the military industrial complex and his oil buddies. He has unduly thrown fear into Americans lives and taken away our rights.

It is he (Bush) who I fear has destroyed America, and all I am saying in my thread, is that we would be better served at this moment in time, by focusing our energy on impeaching Bush and Cheney. They are the greater evils of this country.

[wiggs]

11. We should all be able to recognize the speech for what it is:

fearmongering and demagoguery that capitalizes on a lack of facts, exclusionary social tendencies, muddy thinking. Lamm takes a few legitimate concerns about secure borders and social administration and twists and expands them into a new form of white supremacy married with nationalism. Disgusting and repellant.

The issue deserves real debate and discussion (but not to the exclusion of more pressing concerns IMO). Based on what I've seen over the last five years, reasonable discourse and resolution is not going to happen. More Lamms will stand up and whip up certain segments of the voters and fundraisers, making it more difficult for reasonable leaders to oppose that thinking. It's going to be ugly and shameful.

[bryant69]

6. What Mountain Top are you shouting it from?

You need to have a realistic attitude towards impeachment. Sure it would be nice, and warrented (although for different reasons than yours in my case). But it's not likely.

It's like woudl it be nice to KO the republicans in one round? Hell yeah. Does that me we should stop working the gut? No.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Joe Fields]

7. Realistic?

What is real is that we have a criminal in the White House that makes Richard Nixon look like Mister Rogers, and our illustrious Dem. leadership sits on the fence, wringing their hands.

If we the people don't force them to act, they won't.

I've been through thirteen presidencies in my life. I know a thing or two about politics, and am able to smell bullshit from a mile away.

Judging by your phraseology and spelling, I can tell you are much younger than I, so please, don't tell me to get a realistic attitude.

[spag68]

8. Presidents

You must be really old, I'm 64 and as such I have been through 12 presidents, and that is counting Ford, who actually doesn't really count. However I agree with you about the attitude. This site with all it's enthusiasim and dem. zeal seems to lack serious discussion about how do we correct the issue

[Joe Fields]

12. there is a difference between the number of ...

presidents and the number of presidencies. Some have served two term.

[bryant69]

9. OK. I'm sorry for having a different opinion than you

I admire your bullshit smelling abilities. I am only able to smell it from a half mile away.

We the people aren't going to force them to act. I wish we would, but we won't.

As for the differences in our ages it may not be as great as you think, but I certainly understand the advantages in labelling people who disagree with you immature. I've done it myself a time or two.

Bryant

[leftstreet]

10. What does this thread have to do with Kentuck?

Do you mean the DU poster Kentuck?
Or the state of Kentuck(y)?

:shrug:

[Joe Fields]

13. Read Kentuck's thread of this a.m.