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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:17 AM Original message |
DEBATE: I argue for open borders. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. i don't believe in it in all cases -- just with mexico. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. couple thoughts |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It is a security risk that is made of pure fear with no truth in it. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Still disagree. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. If border security were 5% better, would we be 5% safer? nt |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Thats a very low goal don't you think n/t |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I'm just wondering when the benefit appears? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. A better analogy might be |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. So, knowing this, they send two. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I don't see where open borders |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Indeed, part of the assumption |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
3. I agree -- |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. Let's see............. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Jobs are not a zero sum game. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. If we had your "open borders"? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. The jobs would come from increased demands for goods and services. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Sure wish those jobs were available when I was younger |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. I wonder why Mexico isn't rich, then? Not enough immigration? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Mexico is a very wealthy country |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. If you had no money, you could NOT get into Canada. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. That is true |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Minimum wage isn't a living wage. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. One battle at a time! |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
60. they don't want blacks to have ANY jobs. ever. period. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. agree |
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Radio_Guy (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
9. There will be no borders eventually |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
13. Here is a suggested reading for you. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
15. I would agree that we need to open our borders |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Absolutely. |
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Minnesota Libra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
20. I doubt it but maybe reading another view will help people.............. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
23. Nobody says whether open borders are good for current Americans. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Like I said. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The past isn't applicable. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. Careful Inland |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. That's okay, the monster will out soon enough. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. It's a monster for sure |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. nice post inland |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
26. Sorry, not getting it. Is this a parody thread? "Open borders" |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It's on the screen and it isn't. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Well, it SHOULD be on the radar screen. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. feel free to point out the flaws of this argument |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Which is really the only motivation to make the argument. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. I thought I was seriously proposing it. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I'm saying it's easy. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I believe it is not impossible at all. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
68. "flaws/argument" - It's more the entire CONCEPT. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Nice way to belittle an argument you don't like. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I tried to be very polite to and respectful of you and believe that I gave |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Fair enough... |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. As the medieval debaters realized, there is a point where we must just |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Actually... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. I suggest an experiment. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. But part of the experiment is also whether they ever leave. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Deleted message |
Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Shame on you. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Sorry, really did read it that way. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Hey, how much work are you and I getting done this A.M.? nt |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Don't know about you... |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Well, then, half of us are unproductive time wasters. nt |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I'm about to go waste time at lunch... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I have never in my life said or believed that immigrants are |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. My apologies, as I did read it that way. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. Apology accepted. Thanks. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. i agree n/t |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
35. I agree completely |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:30 PM Original message |
We steal their land, divert their water, and then some people wonder... |
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harpo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
38. I think that would drive down the money americans get paid... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. I agree. Like it or not, our economy needs them. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. ALL of them, being all the people who want to come? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. As I said, I believe in open borders. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. But not because the US economy will benefit. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. this is just free market cant |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
42. There should be a "North American Union" |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
47. I'm with Thom Hartmann on this one... |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
58. what's to discuss if you have no concept of reality? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
59. Borders are necessary for Organization. Totally Open Borders |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. I think it would strengthen the body politic greatly. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. Open borders is the only thing that will save this country... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
67. Let the Unions guard the borders.... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
78. BkMrked. nt |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
80. They come because it's better here. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
81. were all humans |
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