Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Controlling our Borders -- It's About Values

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:10 PM
Original message
Controlling our Borders -- It's About Values
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 09:19 PM by pat_k
The first step in finding a solution that serves the common good on immigration (or anything else for that matter) is to look at the problem from a new perspective -- one that is grounded in some basic truths and moral principles.

I've taken a stab at outlining such an approach -- feeback much appreciated!

Controlling our borders with the stroke of a pen

Building a wall takes time. We don't need to wait. We can effectively control immigration with the stroke of a pen by passing legislation that includes two basic elements:
  • Going after predatory employers.

  • Offering a path to citizenship for whistleblowers and their families.

Specifically:
  • Expand the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) to cover every business and individual employer, whether they employ documented or undocumented workers.
    Conditions and terms of employment must meet FLSA and safety requirements for any wage earner who meets the criteria that would require reporting under IRS rules (e.g, the IRS threshold this year is $1500 for most types of work).

  • Criminalize predatory employment practices.
    Predatory employers who are violating FLSA, violating OSHA standards, and evading taxes must be subject to prosecution and mandatory prison time.

  • Whistleblower immigration amnesty.
    Clear processes for workers to report predatory employers and maintain anonymity throughout the course of investigation. Whistleblowers who are undocumented (whether an individual or a group) are offered a path to citizenship.

  • Increase resources and create special units as required
    Affected agencies would include the Dept of Labor Wage and Hour Division, Dept of Justice, OSHA, IRS, and INS. The Wage and Hour Division is probably the logical agency to oversee the handling of charges against predatory employers, including preliminary investigation, referral to Justice for investigation and prosecution, referral to IRS, and coordination with INS to process undocumented whistleblowers and other undocumented workers.

Controlling our borders isn't really about control; it's about values

"Controlling our borders" means more than erecting barriers or patrolling. Controlling our borders is about making a commitment to act in a manner that is consistent with our values.

When we set employment standards we are expressing our values. Those standards reflect our belief that all human beings have a right to be treated fairly and our knowledge that a vigorous private sector cannot exist if work is not valued

As long as we allow ANY workers to be exploited within our borders, we disgrace ourselves. As long as we turn a blind eye to the violations committed by people who enter illegally or remain after their visa expires, we demonstrate hypocrisy.

Guest worker programs have a place, but too often; such programs have been used to give employers a ticket to pay substandard wages and subject workers to unsafe conditions. We cannot tolerate programs that set different standards for "guests."

To be consistent with American values, we need to "just say no" to the exploitation workers -- documented or not. Continuing to permit predatory employers to operate within our borders will only drive more and more of Us and "Them" into poverty.

Making implicit costs explicit

The harmful effects of supporting an underground economy are costly to the nation. When we "just say no" to the exploitation workers, some implicit costs will be made explicit. Americans have a choice. We can invest our tax dollars to our common benefit, or bear the costs -- both moral and monetary -- of exploiting other human beings.

If we choose make predatory employers the prime target, we can ensure the survival of vital "underground economy" sectors by providing transitional supports. We can offset increased costs of goods or services to the working class through tax credits. (Should be part of a more comprehensive effort to the costs of citizenship from those who benefit the least from our common infrastructure to those who benefit the most.)

Radically changing the rules of the game

If predatory employers faced serious penalties, and the undocumented workers they are exploiting benefited from blowing the whistle, we would significantly increase the risk of exploiting workers.

The threat of exposure and prosecution alone will be sufficient for many to revamp their operations. In some sectors, the predators may simply move operations offshore. In others, predators may be forced out of business. As noted above, it may serve the public interest to provide transition assistance or start up assistance for replacement businesses.

Undoubtedly, a significant percent of undocumented workers would continue to evade detection, but employers would be far less likely to exploit them. If the workers are making a fair wage, the "race to the bottom" has a lower limit and the negative effect on wages is reduced.

We have a right enforce immigration law and deport violators

There are situations in which our interests are best served by providing an alternative to deportation. Nevertheless, if it does not serve a public interest to provide an alternative we should not hesitate to deport those who violate immigration laws.

We have a right to enforce our immigration laws. When we shift our focus to predatory employers, we are not forfeiting that right.

Offering legal status to whistleblowers serves us in two vital ways -- it deters predatory employers and it gives authorities vital resources "on the ground" who are motivated to expose those who are not deterred.

Targeting predatory employers creates a new class of unemployable undocumented workers. If we don't institute a program that offers an opportunity to achieve legal (employable) status to those who are displaced, the deportation and support costs are likely to rise to intolerable levels.

If we decide that minimizing competition for jobs is worth the costs associated with deportation, the number of families who are offered legal status could be limited by entering those who qualify for legal status into a "lottery" of sorts. It may seem harsh to allow chance to determine who stays and who goes, but deportation must remain the default consequence of breaking our immigration laws.

First things first

We can't begin to make progress until we impeach Bush and Cheney and purge the new American fascists from our public institutions ((Impeachment First)). Only then can we effectively engage in the messy -- but democratic -- process of dealing with this and other critical problems.

Conclusion

Our underground economy makes the United States very attractive to people who are struggling to survive in their own countries. We can change the dynamics right now and virtually eliminate the underground economy, and in the process, minimize the incentive to enter this country unlawfully.

Saying no to the exploitation of workers is central to controlling our borders. Radically changing the rules of the game makes other aspects of controlling immigration more manageable, but it does not eliminate the need for them. We still need to do a better job of tracking the foreign nationals who come here to work, study, or visit. We still need to make our border with Mexico as impenetrable as possible, while weighing the costs against the benefits.

We cannot continue to hypocritically turn a blind eye to violations of our immigration laws or tolerate the exploitation of workers within our borders. As is often the case, committing to enacting and enforcing laws that that reflect our values is not just the right thing to do, it ultimately serves the common good.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:23 PM
Response to Original message
1. **** BIG K & R ****
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
2. How about
also leaning heavily on Mexico to fight poverty there so that their people won't need to come here illegally. Another thread mentioned that Ceasar Chavez fought illegal immigration and outed companies for hiring them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Certainly, when we restore legitimate gov. here, we can turn our . .
. . .attention to shaping rational global policy.

Until we enact laws here that are consistent with our values (on immigration, the environment, and so on), we don't have much moral authority to bring to bare on shaping global policy.

We'll get there, step-by-step.

Impeachment is first and foremost because the People of the United States can only have a role in creating rational domestic policy if we have a functioning constitutional democracy capable of responding to, enacting and enforcing our collective will.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
3. k&r n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:06 PM
Response to Original message
4. k & r , n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:09 PM
Response to Original message
6. Kicked and rec'd!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:23 PM
Response to Original message
7. Great points.
Got to get them "predatory employers". They trully are costing us dearly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. And the term "Predatory Employer" can transform the debate!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Many are out and out parasitic.
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 11:03 PM by Cobalt Violet
I get so pissed of when I hear about people doing the work and then getting stiffed for the contractor. That is out right slavery.


edited for words left out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
9. K and R ,finally talking about Values


and treating everyone with respect.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. Kick... for values & respect!
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:44 PM
Response to Original message
11. Fine Walmart a billion dollars, and the message will be communicated
If the Bush admin ever hit the biggest illegal hiring abusers with devastating fines and penalties, the impact would be seen across the board.

Follow that with hitting the biggest home builders and contractors of commercial real estate.

If you don't spank the business interests who are doing this, you are doing nothing about the problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:40 AM
Response to Original message
12. Have you considered submitting this to the DNC?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. I just sent it -- why don't we all?
Never be afraid to be redundant.

The "echo chamber" can't work for us unless our voices are loud and many.

--
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. Sure! And Harry Reid's offices too I think. (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Nancy Pelosi, too?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Of course -- I've been so focused on the Senate for Censure . . .
. . .wasn't thinking about the House.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
17. There we go!!
That's the way to talk about this. Much of what you've outlined is in the McCain-Kennedy bill, although the focus has been on their "guest worker" plan and the need for cheap labor; and not the need to stop the exploitation of workers. You've got it 100% on the money. Excellent Excellent!!

:applause:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 05:53 PM
Response to Original message
19. Shameless self promo -- Like the ideas? Give it a kick and a rec!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. kick!
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. BTW, I posted a copy at january6th.org/borders.html
http://january6th.org/borders.html

In case you'd like to pass it along :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 11:16 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC