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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:29 PM
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"The Ministry of Defense requests that you not comply with police orders"
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#114357319665675277

Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Uncertainty...
I sat late last night switching between Iraqi channels (the half dozen or so I sometimes try to watch). It’s a late-night tradition for me when there’s electricity- to see what the Iraqi channels are showing. Generally speaking, there still isn’t a truly ‘neutral’ Iraqi channel. The most popular ones are backed and funded by the different political parties currently vying for power. This became particularly apparent during the period directly before the elections.

I was trying to decide between a report on bird flu on one channel, a montage of bits and pieces from various latmiyas on another channel and an Egyptian soap opera on a third channel. I paused on the Sharqiya channel which many Iraqis consider to be a reasonably toned channel (and which during the elections showed its support for Allawi in particular). I was reading the little scrolling news headlines on the bottom of the page. The usual- mortar fire on an area in Baghdad, an American soldier killed here, another one wounded there… 12 Iraqi corpses found in an area in Baghdad, etc. Suddenly, one of them caught my attention and I sat up straight on the sofa, wondering if I had read it correctly.

E. was sitting at the other end of the living room, taking apart a radio he later wouldn’t be able to put back together. I called him over with the words, “Come here and read this- I’m sure I misunderstood…” He stood in front of the television and watched the words about corpses and Americans and puppets scroll by and when the news item I was watching for appeared, I jumped up and pointed. E. and I read it in silence and E. looked as confused as I was feeling.

The line said:

وزارة الدفاع تدعو المواطنين الى عدم الانصياع لاوامر دوريات الجيش والشرطة الليلية اذا لم تكن برفقة قوات التحالف العاملة في تلك المنطقة

The translation:

“The Ministry of Defense requests that civilians do not comply with the orders of the army or police on nightly patrols unless they are accompanied by coalition forces working in that area.”

That’s how messed up the country is at this point.

We switched to another channel, the “Baghdad” channel (allied with Muhsin Abdul Hameed and his group) and they had the same news item, but instead of the general “coalition forces” they had “American coalition forces”. We checked two other channels. Iraqiya (pro-Da’awa) didn’t mention it and Forat (pro-SCIRI) also didn’t have it on their news ticker....
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:31 PM
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1. interesting
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:38 PM
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2. It gets more interesting.
“So what does it mean?” My cousin’s wife asked as we sat gathered at lunch.

“It means if they come at night and want to raid the house, we don’t have to let them in.” I answered.

“They’re not exactly asking your permission,” E. pointed out. “They break the door down and take people away- or have you forgotten?”

“Well according to the Ministry of Defense, we can shoot at them, right? It’s trespassing-they can be considered burglars or abductors…” I replied.

The cousin shook his head, “If your family is inside the house- you’re not going to shoot at them. They come in groups, remember? They come armed and in large groups- shooting at them or resisting them would endanger people inside of the house.”

“Besides that, when they first attack, how can you be sure they DON’T have Americans with them?” E. asked.

We sat drinking tea, mulling over the possibilities. It confirmed what has been obvious to Iraqis since the beginning- the Iraqi security forces are actually militias allied to religious and political parties.

But it also brings to light other worrisome issues. The situation is so bad on the security front that the top two ministries in charge of protecting Iraqi civilians cannot trust each other. The Ministry of Defense can’t even trust its own personnel, unless they are “accompanied by American coalition forces”.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:51 PM
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4. wildtown
I guess the USA really can't leave yet.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:17 PM
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5. That's not the first thought I had when reading this.
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 08:52 PM by BurtWorm
I can't see how the US's presence there is helping the situation, not when, as riverbend says, no one is going to wait and find out if the police knocking at the door have a US contingent with them. The US is on the verge of becoming enemies with the Shiites. So who's left to ally with? The Kurds? Which Kurds? The ones in power or the ones who are *their* enemies?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:43 PM
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6. sounds like a mess burtworm
sounds messy
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:46 PM
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3. kick
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