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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:16 AM
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the real reason we "lose" elections
Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 12:26 AM by Gabi Hayes
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:18 AM
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1. Because there's nothing at the URL? - nt
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:22 AM
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3. LOL!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:25 AM
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5. HEY! I get more response with a blank URL than anything else
slow learner?

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:23 AM
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4. funny stuff! let me try this
http://bryce891.tripod.com/

click on the "Borat" link...first hyperlink
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:34 AM
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6. We lose elections because of...
" DIABOLICAL DEIBOLD, ESS SYSTEMS AND SEQUOIA " ask Clinton Curtis he wrote a program for that thief Feeney from Florida back in 2000.. haven't won since !!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:44 AM
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9. that's exactly why I put the quotations marks around "lose"
I knew it would come up, and it's the biggest scare of all, aside from all the self defeating gargage being done on "our behalf"

just trying not to be too bummed tonight
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:21 AM
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2. Because of an Ikea ad?
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:39 AM
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7. P-A-N-D-E-R-I-N-G
Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 12:49 AM by dusmcj
and a 'leadership' that's often in danger of working as hard to uphold the socioeconomic status quo as the Greedy Old Pigs ? Say it ain't so. I know I left my spine around here someplace, maybe it's in my SUV.

Sorry, time to clean our own stable, dumb rednecks are a cheap dodge, and spreading FUD about how we're all about to be attacked by GOP zombies distracts us from the work at hand.

I could go on...

The Liebermans and the Cantwells and the Nelsons, who didn't actually ride with Brother Bill, but thought they'd cash in once he had done the hard work and was leaving. Someone took care of setting up the Third Way for us, and now we're going to take over its operation, look here, it's easy, just push this button. Vision ? Uhhh... Platform ? Uhhhh... Policy ? Yeah! Hell yeah, I have one here, just gotta look up my trusty playbook, been using it since 1972 ya know.

Specifically, Sr. Clinton had the political sharps to understand that the Repubicans had stolen the moderate center from the party of FDR, and promptly won it back once in office. Unfortunately, the current 'leadership', particularly the vigorous advocates of a poorly understood 'Third Way' which in their case seems to equate to making bland compromises with opponents who proceed to ignore them, thinks that holding the center is an end in itself, to be achieved at any cost including sale of all principles, rather then having the political gamesmanship to understand that the center must be sold on the Democratic vision. But of course therein lies the rub... Maybe Poppy's problem was contagious. It's not about votes, boys (and girls) it's about content. But of course the American political class traditionally has a problem with that, the snake-oil salesman and carny huckster ancestry coming through strong even after all these years. (Shysters ? yes. too often.)

The 2000 elections should have been a landslide. The 2004 elections ? A thermonuclear explosion (metaphorically, don't want to make the sniffers nervous) eliminating the GOP from inside the Beltway for the next 40 years. How'd that not work out that way ? Cause we were

LAZY
SELF-SATISFIED (including in the arena of social fashionability, I mean political correctness)
and LAME.

We are confronted with opponents who are waging unrestricted cultural warfare on normalcy, and we respond by fulfilling the stereotypes they disseminate of us as swooning ninnies who worry about whether we're ordering the kind of coffee that's appropriate to the latest trends.

The revolution is not an effing tea party, and it will not be televised.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:43 AM
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8. a MEN! but that's such a bring down...might have to actually DO something
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:00 AM
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11. What You Mean "We"?
Nobody here was happy with all of the bending-over that occurred during the recent judicial confirmations or the NSA spying,
to choose only the two most recent examples. In fact I think the latter is the root cause of it all. They're being blackmailed.
If they're totally, squeaky-clean, they make stuff up because people will believe it anyway once the media repeats it enough times
-- what we now call "Swift-boating".

The 2000 elections should have been a landslide.


Not with the media hammering on the administration day in-day out over anything and nothing.
The media onslaught, plus Ralph Nader, kept it close enough to steal.

The 2004 elections ?...


You mean the ones in which we raised way more money for our candidates than any Democratic campaign ever?
(Though a drop in the bucket compared to $BILLIONS in free advertising for the Republicans)
The one where we had thousands of poll-watchers desperately trying to ensure that votes would be accurately counted?
(Only to be thrown out on the pretext of a "terror alert" when it came time for them to fiddle the count)
The one where we had the biggest voter registration drives in history?
(Only to have many of the registrations thrown out illegally so those voters couldn't vote)

How'd that not work out that way ? Cause we were


ROBBED BLIND!!

LAZY


How is that again? Seems to me we did everything we could with what we have.
What we don't have is a free press, and that is killing us.

SELF-SATISFIED


:wtf:

(including in the arena of social fashionability, I mean political correctness)


What ARE you talking about?

and LAME.


That is because our party has been getting robbed and murdered for almost 6 years (and counting).
Yeah, it's staggering quite a bit -- too weak to really hit back at all. It sucks, but that's
where we are. We are there because the Republicans own the media, the churches, and the voting
machinez.

What do you think we could have done about that?

What can we do about it now?

About the only thing I can think of is taking the bastards to court to stop more Diebold Republican Electing machinez
from being installed. voteraction.org is doing that, and I strongly support those efforts. http://www.voteraction.org
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:06 AM
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13. that's what I meant to say
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 07:42 AM
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14. we need to assess the enemy's goals and tactics correctly
it's as though we don't understand that this is unrestricted cultural warfare, that these folks are perfectly willing to demolish the social and cultural structures of modernity and the Enlightenment in favor of a command society where ideology is implemented by a government populated by and beholden to a theological class. Really no different than militant Islam. We behave as though this were still some fucking tea party where if we make nice we'll save our sorry asses. Hence dogding and weaving when the question of censure or heaven forfend impeachment comes up. They're using nukes, folks, and we still wonder how strongly to respond in the press. Duh.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:04 AM
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10. another reason....too many of these
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:05 AM
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12. last chance to send in your dollar....
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