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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:20 PM
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Poll question: How many people are there in the US who realize how bad things are?
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:22 PM
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1. Not enough.
n/t
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:23 PM
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2. great answer !!
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:23 PM
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3. More than 75,000,000
They know how bad it is, but are afraid to admit it.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:29 PM
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4. You might want to define the question a bit
By some recent polls, nearly three out of four Americans are unhappy with BushCo's progress of the Iraq War. That would be nearly 225 million (ok, including infants).

If your question is about how many voting-age Americans are aware of our impending economic peril, I suspect it is very few, but how many, I couldn't guess.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:32 PM
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6. Its hard to define but
how many people realize we are in danger of losing so many rights, that we are heading towards fascism, that the president has habitually lied to us and abused his powers, that checks and balances are not working at all. I get the feeling that a lot of people who aren't happy with Bush don't actually realize how truly dangerous he is to our freedom - they want him out of office, but they don't realize how sinister this administration really is.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:29 PM
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5. Wow. I'm glad that most of you think that more people are aware
of our dire situation than I do... I voted less than 10 million and really think its closer to 5 million.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:34 PM
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8. 200 million adults
40% don't vote=160 million
1% KNOW what is going on=16 million

Now how mmany KNOW they have a problem= 90% of America BUT they don't KNOW WHY!!!
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:37 PM
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10. Your math confuses me.
B-)
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:52 PM
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15. There is a difference b/t knowing how bad things are
People are losing their homes, can't find a job, cant pay there bills...that is probably most of Americans. Watch Oprah's Friday show...people that make way over $100K are in trouble because they have bought into the bushit of buying, buying buying.....BUT (IMHO) only 1% of Americans KNOW WHY. They know and understand what this administration has been systematically doing to the middle class.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:39 PM
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7. Picking up more and more each day.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:37 PM
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9. I believe 10-20% realize how bad things are
And that many more know something just isn't right, but are afraid to see the truth, or somehow deny that what they believe is really happening. That's the thing about all this - it's really so horribly bad you don't want to believe it, but you must.

There's something inside all of us that is eventually triggered, and we turn the corner. That is happening more and more now, and will continue to happen until there's an overwhelming demand for action from the people. How long that will take is anyone's guess, but I suspect it will be sometime this year. At least, let's hope it is...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:40 PM
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12. I think uncovering the 911 cover up will have a lot to do with it.
Its a horrendous crime and very painful to believe, but there is enough evidence now to cast serious doubt on the cover story. Its really sickening to think that the people we elected to be in charge of our country could allow this disastrous series of events to happen and then exploit those events in the ways that they have. It boggles the mind.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:21 PM
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16. Sounds about right. Denial is a major part of the American psyche.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:38 PM
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11. Well, to begin with, I think at least 60 million, the ones who voted to
oust the junta--and whose majority vote got Diebolded and ES&S-ed--knew what the stakes were. The word on the street was that "this is the most important election in our history." (Trouble was, Karl Rove, Tom Delay, Bob Ney and their rightwing buds at Diebold and ES&S evaluated it the same way.)

According to Diebold and ES&S, that's half the voters. 20 million of the 120 million whom Diebold and ES&S say voted (the biggest turnout in history), that is, the new voters, 60% of whom registered Democratic (a blowout success for the Democrats in new voter registration) also must have thought it was especially important--they registered and voted for the first time, in huge numbers. Also, all the poor black people and other minorities and students in Ohio, who stood in 4 to 10 hour lines to vote--I think they had some pretty important things on their minds, and were damn worried about the country.

Then, today, figuring Bush's approval rating to be about 30% (if you take into account the rightwing weighting of most polls), we've got 70% of the people disapproving of Bush. Among Democrats, it wouldn't take a grave Consitutional crisis and signs of a fascist junta to produce disapproval of Bush. But this number--70%--has to include many Republicans, many Bush voters and supporters. It would have to, even at 60% (disapproval of the war BEFORE the invasion--Feb. '03).

So there is large-scale disapproval, discontent, worry and concern--possibly even more acute among many Republicans than among Democrats (for the reason that it would take a lot more for a Bush voter to tell a pollster that he/she disapproves of Bush).

I am totally convinced that the majority of Americans are a lot better informed--and also a lot more progressive--than anyone gives them credit for. I don't think they are 'sheeple' at all--not most of them. I do think they are demoralized, depressed, and, above all, DISENFRANCHISED. But not stupid, and not ignorant. I will never forget the story a friend told me of some elderly, well to do, military/diplomatic/legal professionals, in a supposed Republican stronghold, whom she had become friends with between the invasion of Iraq (just before) and the 2004 election. They all thought Bush was nuts (their word--nuts)--the matter under discussion being mainly the war.

Republicans. Former military and other establishment types. They thought the president was insane.

An informal, anecdotal survey, to be sure. But still--rather amazing. (My friend thought for sure that Bush would be ousted, but neither of us knew enough about Diebold and ES&S at that time, especially their close ties to Bush, to fully realize what they were capable of, both technically, and as to utter lack of scruples.)

Wild guestimate: At least half the adults in the country (how many is that?) are concerned to the point of alarm. The more they know, the more concerned they are. Add to this another 30%, less well informed, who are in various stages of worry and concern.

But I do think we have then to consider what happens to people who are carrying alarming concerns around in their heads all day long, and going to sleep at night--and who feel demoralized, depressed about the country, disempowered, some in despair. One thing they likely DON'T know about--because it has been held under such an "iron curtain"--is that the election system is utterly compromised. It is now--as of 2004--entirely in the control of rightwing Bushites, and is utterly non-transparent, the votes "tabulated" by "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls.

And because many don't know this, they tend to feel that the country has gone nuts--they feel outnumbered, they feel alone. They don't understand that the very mechanism of our power as a people has been taken over by parties who are very hostile to the majority in this country, and are looting our country blind, and destroying our democracy.

Knowing HOW this coup occurred--and consequently WHY the majority of Americans have no proper representation in Congress and WHY the junta is getting away with so much--is helpful to morale. This is a SPECIFIC, FIXABLE problem--still doable at the state/local level.

I think that the great majority--who are alarmed or concerned, and some of whom are likely burying their worries, because they feel so helpless--could be mobilized on the election reform issue. They KNOW something is wrong. They just don't know what it is (many of them).

I wouldn't lie to them (out of fear that they won't vote). Tell them the truth! They NEED TO KNOW the truth! They can't mobilize to fix it without knowing what the problem IS.

My idea reduced to a bumper sticker: "Help Us Beat the Machines--VOTE!"

Get people involved in trying to overcome the fraud by sheer turnout. Get them fully involved. Let them know the odds. (5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites and warmongers.)

I don't think we have a public education problem, on the whole. I think we have a power problem--the people have, in essence, lost their right to vote, and their sovereignty, due to the deliberately created NON-TRANSPARENCY of the election system.

Urge absentee ballot voting, as a protest. Not a complete solution (due to the Diebold/ES&S controlled central tabulators), but at least you have a paper ballot. Closely monitor the '06 elections--get people very involved in that. Demand that the Democratic Party fund independent exit polls (desperately needed--and it's the least they could do, for their malfeasance and in some cases corruption regarding Bushites controlling the vote count with electronic voting).

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Some further ideas and resources for American Revolution II:

Breaking news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org--just announced--is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2180496

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x418263

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183630
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.verfiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)
www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
Sign the petition (Russ Holt, HR 550, great bill-has 169 sponsors). http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417231
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x675477

Also of interest:

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy!)
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Bob Koehler's latest: "Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence



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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:42 PM
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13. Great response, thank you.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 10:45 PM
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14. I don't think any of us know how truly bad things really are. nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:24 PM
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17. At least half of the US population or more... perhaps 65%

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