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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:55 AM
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I’m Trying to Understand Freeper Praise of Bush War Speech
In an attempt to understand the 34% or so of voters in this country who still approve of our pResident’s performance in office, yesterday I browsed the web site of the Free Republic, especially comments to Bush’s speech of 3-22, defending the Iraq War. Here is the link to Freeper comments on the speech.

I found most of the comments entirely unenlightening, simply oozing with unconditional adoration of the “man”. I don’t mean that statement to be critical. After all, our expressed adoration of John Conyers and other Democrats isn’t always accompanied by the reasons why we feel the way we do about them.

But I did find one post that had more substance to it, and honestly, I would love to understand where this woman is coming from. See response # 41 to the above referenced link for Kimberly GG’s full comments. Here is the portion of her comments that I would like to dwell on:

What annoyed me the most about this press conference is the media's insistence of bringing up such negative topics. They ask about a bombing, the "censure", dead soldiers, and other benign topics. They craft their questions toward those things. Why not ask about how many Iraqis have been educated, how many families he has met with of fallen soldiers, in general, the successes? I'm so fed up with their reluctance to be positive.


The rest of her response was a rant about how unfair the press is to Bush. I couldn’t understand the context of those comments, and that’s a huge and separate issue, so I won’t go into that here.

Anyhow, if there are any Feepers reading this post, please tell Kimberly that I would love to hear her response to the following questions and comments:

1) You say that it annoys you when the media brings up negative topics. I don’t understand that. Isn’t the purpose of the news media to report the news? Do you feel that negative news shouldn’t be reported, and do you feel that this would be a free country if it wasn’t?

2) You refer to bombing, the “censure”, and dead soldiers as “benign topics”.

It is estimated that at least 33 thousand civilians have died in Iraq since the start of the war, most of them from bombing. Do you consider that benign?

I’m not sure what you mean by the “censure”, but perhaps you mean the attempts by the Bush administration to censure any news prior to the war that cast doubt on his rationalizations for the war, such as his totally unfounded claim that Iraq had or would soon have nuclear weapons capability. Do you consider government censoring of counter arguments against their unfounded claims for war to be benign?

And what’s this about dead soldiers. Are you aware that since the start of this war, over 2,300 American soldiers have died, and over 16,000 have been wounded? Do you consider that a benign topic?

3) You ask why the media doesn’t ask about positive things, such as how many Iraqis have been educated, how many families of fallen soldiers Bush has met with, and the “successes” of the war. Perhaps the media didn’t ask much about those subjects because Bush had the opportunity to discuss those things during his speech.

But why don’t you take this opportunity to enlighten us on this subject. Tell us how many more Iraqis are now being educated, as compared to prior to the war. Tell us how many families of fallen soldiers Bush has met with. And tell us what are the successes of this war.

4) And after you enlighten us about all those positive aspects of the Iraq war, please tell us how you think that these positive outcomes compare with 33 thousand plus dead Iraqi civilians, 2300 plus dead American soldiers, $250,000,000,000 (and rising) additional debt for our country, and civil war in Iraq.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:57 AM
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1. They. Are. Sheep.
or Stupid.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:57 AM
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2. The Freepers would praise Bush if he said the world is flat
It means about as much as DUers condemn Bush.

(of course, some Freepers probably actually believe the world is flat.)
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:02 PM
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3. They get all their news from Fox.
These are some of the lies Fox feeds them.
They still think Iraq and 9/11 are connected because that is what Fox tells them.

Until we have some kind of truth doctrine in our media, we will still continue to encounter these people.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:04 PM
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4. Yes...a truth doctrine is a key to fixing the media problem....
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flobee1 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:07 PM
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7. Because there is no good news
If there was, wouldn't fox news be doing 2 hours on it a night?

When even Fox can find no good news, it means there is no good news
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:05 PM
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5. *I refuse to believe I am/was that stupid*
so I'll just mindlessly plunge ahead rather than face the truth.


It's called avoidance (and many other things, but fr33p3rs cant seem to wrap their heads around terms like cognitive dissonance).
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:06 PM
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6. I find that freepers find any topic benign
if it doesn't conform to their view. 2300 dead soldiers probably is benign to her for the simple reason that she refuses to confront the reality that that is 2300 people. As long as none of the dead people are close to her they don't exist. It's a sad reflection on sheer idiocy.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:10 PM
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8. fox
is really a propaganda machine. I still say deport Rupert Murdock. Can't some of you young computer whizzes out there get the goods on him. The aussies ran him out of town, why can;t we?
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:14 PM
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10. The 34%
are very hard to reach as they have a limited vocabulary. Logic, truth, justice , reality, these and many others do not exist for them.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:35 PM
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18. (repost again) Dear 33%
Dear 33%

I feel for you. I really do. I feel for anyone suffering from severe mental illness.

Now, now. Don't get testy. I don't mean it as snark. I mean it as fact. You truly are suffering from a mental illness -- post-traumatic stress disorder. Yes, the same disorder our soldiers get in the field. Somehow you got it on 9/11.

I never realized how terrified that day made you, 33%. Yes, it was a horrible, scary day. I remember. But obviously much more frightening for you than for me. It scared you so much, your mind simply gave up rationality. We 67%ers know -- we've listened to you. We've listened to you in one breath say that Saddam was a butcher and that this is a war to save innocent lives, and then just a few seconds later say Islam is inherently violent and all Muslims need to be targeted, surveilled, and destroyed. We've listened with pity as you described in ever more complete detail the architecture of your delusion, the monsters you fear will kill you. You tell us we have to fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here, but then you tell us we must surrender all our rights because we are surrounded by your demons.

These are not the workings of a rational mind. Can you see that?

33%, you are sick. You need help.

You need treatment. A good liberal psychologist could help you work through your PTSD. Failing that, a good liberal friend. If you can't find treatment on your own, let us know. Just ask 3 people for help -- we'll be two of them.

Love and hope for your recovery,
67%

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=197330&mesg_id=197330
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:11 PM
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9. What gets me is how many rw nuts are so
uneducated about what Iraq was like before the war. I heard one say that she wanted to know how many Iraqis are now going to school. Well honey, before the war they had a very good school system. Now many of the schools have been bombed & that's why we're repairing them. She wanted to know how many Iraqi women are now working. Well honey, before the war Iraq was a secular society where women worked & many held professional jobs. Now, it's turning into a Theocracy where women will probably have to wear a burka & be forbidden from holding down any but the most mundane jobs. She wanted to know about how the electricity had been turned on. Well, honey, before the war Iraq had electricity. Now it's not back to prewar levels. They're living in 120 heat with little or no electricty.

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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:16 PM
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11. "censure " that she was likely refering to...
the Feingold motion to censure the President for NSA spying on US citizens in violation of Constitution and the FISA law.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:58 PM
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19. Ah yes, that's probably it
Another benign issue
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:17 PM
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12. freeper doesn't know the difference between benign and malignant
The woman is a nitwit and has nothing of value to contribute to anything. Her opinion is worthless.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:17 PM
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13. Why?

rhetorical
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Dr. Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:19 PM
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14. I'd ask this.
Bush continues to say "freedom is on the march" and democracy is coming to the Middle East. Many evangelicals claimed invading Iraq would open the door for the Gospel.

Why then has Afghanistan adopted repressive Sharia Islamic Law with Iraq soon to follow, where if you convert to another religion, you get put to death?
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:19 PM
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15. My guess is she doesn't know what the word 'benign' means....
I think people like this are simply in some sort of denial. They live in a fantasy where George Bush is a nice guy, everything America does is good, and anyone who contradicts these fantasies is just mean.
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:30 PM
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17. As you say
she can't know what benign means.

Rights and liberties can be taken away in the name of a war. They have no problem with that. But when faced with the realities of what a war actually is, they can't deal with it. They don't want to see the bloodshed and the death and destruction that their "good guy" has caused.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 01:00 PM
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20. I suspect that most of them have no idea
that our rights and liberties are being taken away in the name of this war.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:22 PM
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16. it is akin to yelling"Zeig Heil" with the rest of the "good Germans"
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 01:50 PM
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21. The freepers realize that it was the right wing fundie vote that put
Bush in office. To criticize him now would be the same as saying that they were wrong in their allegiance to Bush. They are no more able to admit to mistakes that Bush.
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