No Hillary in '08...

[Peter Frank]

Rove wants Hillary to run because he knows that the Republican base will galvanize against her (that's why Rove taunted her -- to give her more face time in the "news".

I personally like Hillary, but she has no balls -- she's playing both sides of the fence for relative advantage, instead of boldly asserting herself.

With all the severe violations of law by this administration -- a far braver soul than Hillary must get the democratic nod in '08.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

1. I agree with you. But I don't think she's even going to run.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[MessiahRp]

18. I agree here

I think Hillary cares too much about her image to go out there and lose. She knows she is by far no lock to even win the Democratic primary and I am pretty certain she doesn't want to be the first Clinton to go out and lose one of these elections. She should stick to the Senate. Being a NY Senator is probably as far up the power structure as she is meant to go.

She plays the fence too much and she's just not her husband in terms of charisma to pull off the Dino shit.

Rp

[Peter Frank]

53. What you're forgetting is...

...her age and the fact that she wants to be president. She probably sees '08 as her only shot. If I thought that Hillary could win -- I'd back her.

Reasons she should not be nominated:

• Number One -- she's a Senator (she ain't no JFK -- the last senator to graduate directly from the Senate to the WH.
  
• She's only served one term in national government.
  
• Scared Republicans want her as an opponent (to galvanize their base).

It makes no sense to support/fund Hillary now.

[DarleenMB]

65. So you know Hillary personally eh?

That's how you "know" she wants to be President?

For pete's sake. When will you all stop this nonsense? Don't you get it? The right wing noise machine is, IMO, behind all these rumors about Hillary running in '08. ANYthing to distract the people from the real issues and to divide the Democrats.

[Radio_Guy]

44. I have a steak dinner wager with a co-worker on that

I think she will run, he doesn't. I hope I pay up, but I don't think so.

[oasis]

2. Hillary has what it takes to win. She's a saavy politician with a crack

staff. That's why she has such a commanding lead in the polls.

Hillary could easily gain partnership in a law firm and lead a life of luxury, but she has the "balls" to suffer the slings and arrows from both the right and the left.

[Vexatious Ape]

5. What commanding lead?

What Poll? She's just the one everyone's talking up.

[oasis]

7. No poll here on DU, but most national polls among Democrats.

[DrGonzoLives]

32. Because everyone knows who she is

n/t

[Peter Frank]

28. Especially the Republicans...

They want her to be the Dem candidate. We can't give them what they want.

[Clarkie1]

52. No comment until after the November midterms. n/t

[Peter Frank]

54. How can you have no comment?

Is this not the time when candidates raise funds for two years down the road???

[Clarkie1]

57. We need to be raising funds to get Democrats elected this year. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

68. The "commanding lead in the polls" is a complete and utter crock of shit.

How many of those polls included, say, Al Gore as another choice?

I think you know the answer to that question, already.

[regnaD kciN]

3. Do you think you might want to re-state that...?

I personally like Hillary, but she has no balls

That surely should qualify for Obvious Statement of the Week. ;-)

[LittleClarkie]

4. From a biological standpoint at the very least

She would seem to have a pair of maguppies though. Do those count?

[northofdenali]

20. Hee hee hee

:rofl:

In addition to keeping this kicked, I really hadn't thought of that remark quite that way. Maybe we really have "come a long way".

[sheelz]

6. We're a long way from 08-...

Hillary isn't even on my list. But, I laugh my ass off when I think of her as a revenge candidate. They hate her so much. Let them waste their time. We have too much to do--if we ever get to that point.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

8. Are people ready for a smear campaign that they have never seen

before? They're going to say she killed Vince Foster. Whitewater - though the Clinton's were found not guilty. It hasn't even begun yet.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[oasis]

10. Vince Foster? Whitewater?. Bring it on. What fools would make themselves

look totally ridiculous by bringing up that tired b.s.?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

12. You are **series**??? They won't swiftboat Kerry either!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[oasis]

13. Who do you see coming forward to make those charges against Hillary?

No credible candidate will touch that loony stuff with a ten foot pole.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

14. No candidate yet! LOL.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[obxhead]

9. Hillary is NOT the "Big Dog" ....

PERIOD.

Follow her positions, follow her votes, follow her mandates....

I miss Big Bill, but I will not support Hillary....

Not that my vote counts down here in the "bible thump 'em" belt anyway :(

[Peter Frank]

11. Hillary has $$$ for TV ads...

Money dictates who "moves on" in politics. If you want someone else -- help him/her by raising cash.

[Nutmegger]

15. The Dems need to pay more attention to their base

and build on that. When I look at the nominees, I ask myself if they have what it takes to undo some of the Bush Inc's mistakes. I don't see Hillary spearheading these issues.

[Peter Frank]

21. You could not be more correct...

Hillary is already too much a part of the problem. Whether she knows it or not -- she's jockeying for position on the Titanic.

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. That is correct - Hillary does not, in fact, have balls.

:eyes:

[Peter Frank]

22. Roll Your Eyes All You Want...

Hillary simply doesn't have the goods.

[WildEyedLiberal]

38. Well, I don't have balls, either

Then again, like Hillary, I am female.

Maybe you should just reconsider bandying about the male-centric "balls" crap, especially when you're talking about a WOMAN?

[Omphaloskepsis]

17. The Republicans want her to run.

The Sunday morning talk shows are littered with Republicans saying her nomination is a sure thing. They are picking our candidate. (SHE WILL LOSE). I would love to see a map of the origin of her funds. I bet a majority is from Republicans. I like her... She just will not win. Not a chance in hell. That is why they want her to run.

[itzamirakul]

26. Don't you sometimes wonder why

we have not a single Democrat who will go on these talk shows and say what YOU just said in your post? I have never heard a single one of them say

"HOW DARE YOU REPUBLICANS PICK OUR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES?"

[electropop]

61. She is hated by the Repug base and the Dem base.

How could she possibly have a chance? Of course they want her to run - it'd be an easy win for them!

[northofdenali]

19. Hillary is smarter than most all of us put together.

I think she'd rather be "the power behind the throne". Not the sexist terminology, more like the Karl Rover-boy. I don't want to be flame bait, but I can certainly see her keeping the WH, and most of Congress, in Dem hands should she be given that power. She's fucking brilliant. Senator - with no practical resume? In a walk? Twice? She is smack-down brilliant. And I don't think anyone runs her show but her.

and I still miss Bill.

And Al.

[oasis]

23. Exactamundo! Hill won't be combing the threads of DU looking for staffers.

;-)

[Peter Frank]

24. You're not flame bait to me...

I like Hillary allot; but she's living in the past. Her mindset is about balancing political negatives, while she should be actively promoting positives.

She dropped the ball.

She doesn't seem to get today's reality.

[LuckyLib]

62. She can run circles around the whole damned Congress. But

she can't continue to play both sides against the middle. Bill is no slouch and she's even more savvy and tuned-in than he is(was). But whole heaps of us won't even give her a second glance while she refuses to stand strong and be clear about Democratic principles and values and the Bush Disaster. No thanks, Senator. Stay put and do your work in the Senate.

[Old and In the Way]

25. If she wins the primaries, I'm behind her 110%

Karl Rove and the Republican Syndicate can pound sand.

[Peter Frank]

27. You have a say...

Help your candidate win! Please!

[Old and In the Way]

49. Of course, I do....as do al Democrats.

If she's the choice, I'm fine with it.

[cynatnite]

29. I don't want Hillary to run in 08, but not for those reasons...

We've had bush sr, bill clinton and now we've got bush jr. If Hillary runs in 08, there's a real chance she could win and I don't want to see two families having that much power to run this country for so long. It doesn't settle well with me.

Now, if it were Gore/Clinton in 08...yeah, I'm for that.

[MazeRat7]

30. She will fracture what little unity we have - just look at the post on DU

edit: I forgot my :popcorn: these threads are always a great source of entertainment.


MZr7

[oasis]

39. Will "real" Dems leave the party if Hill is the 2008 candidate? BTW

I suspect that many Anti-Hill DUers are not really Democrats.

[MazeRat7]

43. I doubt they would leave, most likely vote for the Green candidate or

some other alternative.. hence causing the "Nader" effect of 2000.

MZr7

[oasis]

45. IMO,when"real" Dems vote Green, their "true colors" come shining through.

But that depends on the definition of what a real Democrat is.

[MazeRat7]

46. Thats the problem. The definition of Dem is qualitative without metrics.

[NNN0LHI]

31. After over 200 years I think the USA is ready for a woman president

She will be the one.

Don

[Peter Frank]

33. If she cares about the country, she will not run...

She should know that she's unelectable.

[radio4progressives]

37. She Should Not be the First One, There is Plenty of Time to Find a Better

Candidate to be the First Woman President.

[mattclearing]

34. Another day, another Hillary in '08 thread. n/t

[Dob Bole]

35. I agree that Hillary has no balls.

:)

Of course, I agree with a lot of that other stuff too.

[Strong Atheist]

36. .

:popcorn:

[SaveElmer]

40. And Yada, yada, yada....

Another "No Hillary thread"....

[JeffR]

41. This just in: 2006 is an election year

That's right. I'm not kidding. This is an election year.

Oh wait, what's that shiny thing over there?

[LSK]

42. be prepared to work your ass off in the primaries then

[pstans]

47. Feingold all the way

www.russforpresident.com

[deutsey]

48. He's my early favorite

[upi402]

50. I like her, and I agree; It's time for action not moderation

We need hot blooded candidates who inspire us and stand up to the thugs.
Not candidates who swarm to warm and lay down cuz they're afraid to be knocked down.

It's not very PC, but Ann Richards had the balls that Hillary hides.
In a perfect world, Maxine Waters or Shiela Jackson-Lee would get the nomination and the win, with Conyers as Veep.

[SPKrazy]

51. "She Has No Balls", Well Since When Are Balls A Prerequisite?

I just had to snicker at that line in your post.

I like Hillary too.

I don't think she is ready to be President yet. She doesn't really have organizational leadership skills. She should be a governor next. New York needs Hillary for Governor. Then Prez.

[CoffeeCat]

55. The Republicans cannot wait to run against Hillary...

...they are chomping at the bit--just hoping that Hillary is the Dem nominee.

The Republican operatives are the ones propping her up. They cannot wait to "Swiftboat" Hillary, and they know they have more dirt on her
than they do on any candidate.

I remember listening to Limbaugh during the Clinton years. The man did not stop with the Hillary bashing and rumors. They will dig up
the Vince Foster scandal and Travelgate and Whitewater. They'll drudge up the authors of books on Hillary--who will swear that she helped
to cover up Foster's death. Bill's sextracurricular activities will be blasted into the public consciousness again, and the Republicans
will remind us all of the impeachment and the "lack of family values." I'm sure more women will step forward to insinuate that Bill Clinton
raped them or fathered children.

It will be a frickin fiasco. Rove can't wait. He's chomping at the bit for a Hillary run.

If Hillary had the backbone and progressive ideals of Feingold, Conyers or McKinney--I'd say screw all of the backlash. However, Hillary is
a mediocre politician who has been dead silent while Bush has pillaged the country and desecrated our Constitution. I'm sick of her sporadically
showing up and throwing a few barbs--in an effort to appeal to the "liberals" in the Dem party.

I feel that we couldn't have a worse candidate than Hillary. Most of the progressives in the party do not like her. She would polarize even
her own party.

We used to hear a great deal about Hillary in the media. They practically crowned her the Dem nominee. That was several weeks ago, when the
media was kow towing to Rove's every whim. The media has slowly changed over the last several weeks. They're sick of being attacked by this
administration and they know they're being played. They're no longer following Rove's orders as diligently, and that's why Hillary-candidate stories
aren't as plentiful. Those stories--and the notion of a Hillary presidency--was being fueled by Rove and the rest of the neocons.

I can't think of a more disastrous candidate for the Dems.

[Peter Frank]

56. Extremely well said!

Rove called Hillary out because he knows that the sins of this Bu$h admin can continue to be covered up by focusing on the controversy surrounding Hillary.

Hillary took the bait & responded to Rove. This tells me that she doesn't really care about America. She's on her own narcissistic mission.

Fuck Hillary. What you see is what you get. She's a poser. You can't expect a poser to all of a sudden become an activist. By this time -- he/she has already compromised essential principles.

[Peter Frank]

60. .

[tjwash]

64. Yeah, but I also remember...

...the 15 minute turn around responses to the right wing smear back then, and how they were able to turn the BS that they said about the Clinton's right back on their smear machine, and make the cons look like the lying sacks of shit that they actually were, and how they didn't let the whole thing get out of hand <**cough kerry cough**>. without as much as a response.

The problem is, the Democrats have bought into this "if we smear them back, we are only playing to their level" horse shit that has handed the neo-cons the last two elections. I mean for Christs sake, the last two elections should not have even been close enough to STEAL, but they were, because we as Dems refused to bring in candidates that would actually bring the fight to them.

Well they did, Howard Dean didn't put up with their shit, put of course the Dems had to pull this "he's not liberal enough for me" crap and put an empty suit in his place.

[saracat]

67. I don't want Hillary to run but it fundamentally doesn't matter

who we nominate. The smear machine will be in overdrive. Nothing has to be true and they will make up stuff about anyone. All the things you are concerned about can and will be said (maybe not exactly, as they would be different people) about any candidate. It amazes me that we still fail to grasp this simple fact.
Hillary is not 'special" or more easily attacked. She is just better known.If the RW attacking her is used as a reason not to nominate her, that is not good enough. Following that reasoning, we might as well not nominate anyone. They will be attacked!
I don't want Hillary to run as I think many Dems will have a problem voting for her, and if McCain , that POS, who is my Senator runs, many misguided Dems, who think he is a maverick(he isn't) will vote for him and we will lose, JMHO.

[mikelewis]

58. Of course, you know... With Hillary...

comes Bill.

[Peter Frank]

59. Hillary has no "Bill" qualities...

...She's dull, boring, and compromising -- wrapped in pantsuit.

[hedgehog]

63. Hillary 's Health Care Plan got shot down back in 1992 and she

never got back into the fight although she had another 7 1/2 years to make that her #1 issue. That says it all for me.

Besides, Bill's been hanging around with George H.W a lot lately and there are hints of some shady deals. I'm not saying he's actually doing anything illegal or even wrong, but do we really want to spend another election season discussing Bill Clinton's finances?

[kid a]

66. I with you on this!