Lou Dobbs pimpin Nader on Real Time rerun on now on HBO!

[mdmc]

skoche? He said that the Dem and GOP were like a skoche'? What is that (same peas in a pod?):shrug:

[chaz4jazz]

1. Scoche is the distance measure by a blond child's hair. /eom

[mdmc]

4. thank you kindly

:patriot:

[radio4progressives]

20. skoche is japaneese for "hairs breath" or eensy weensy..

;)

[mdmc]

32. thanks,

peace, god!

[mzmolly]

2. Not that uncommon for conservatives to pimp Nader,

disgruntled or otherwise. It's tough to admit they were TOTALLY wrong, pimping Nader allows them to only take partial responsibility. Though, it's good to see Dobbs "disgruntled" as of late. Eventually, he may even come around to - reality.

[mdmc]

9. I won't watch any of that M$M shit.

This democrat will not hate the preacher. Nader is what the democrats should be. Bernie...Hinchey...Kennedy...Feingold...the black congressional caucus...the progressive caucus... this is what I stand for. When I hear these guys, I know what we believe in. I know what we stand for. I know hat the drug war is wrong, that the death penalty is wrong, and that violence begets violence. Nader and the guys I listed agree.
I'm a big Dean fan too.

[mzmolly]

11. Nader is an lying hypocrite and I thank GOODNESS more Democrats

aren't like him.

"A Vote For Nader Is A Vote For Bush." ~ John Conyers

http://www.house.gov/conyers/pr110100.htm

[mdmc]

13. John Conyers is a great man

too bad we don't have more like him.

Mz. Molly, I have way too much respect for you to bother with Nader. (that being said :) ) more then half of American adults do not vote or register to vote. Nader can get to people that you, and I, and Dr. Dean can't get (if we could get them, they would be registered dem voters). let nader bring non-voters into the system. we can get them once they are invested in voting.

[mzmolly]

25. I respect you as well.

I guess we'll leave it at that. :hi:

[mdmc]

30. peace moll

:patriot:

[radio4progressives]

15. What did Nader Lie about? I missed that..

:shrug:

[mzmolly]

23. He said Gore equals Bush on foreign policy and the environment

for starters. Sorry you missed it.

[Terran1212]

34. He did in 2000

Did Bush OR Gore tell the truth in 2000? By definition the presidential campaigns are lies.

[mzmolly]

38. Yes Gore did.

Bush and Nader did not.

[ToeBot]

42. Nothing, but to stop demonizing Nader and listen to what he said...

would cause their illusory world view to crumble. Many would have to admit that what he spoke was closer to the truth than they can bear.

[mdmc]

43. are you really in Utah?

:kick:

[mzmolly]

45. I listened, and found that when he isn't talking in circles he's trashing

Democrats. It's not ME that lives in an illusory world - it's anyone who thinks Democrats should have respect for Nader. It's anyone who thinks anyone should have respect for Nader after he claimed Gore = Bush.

[Terran1212]

17. All you prove is that Conyers didn't want Nader to run

Says nothing about the man being a "liar" or "hypocrite" or anything but the kind of grassroots fighter he continually is.

[mzmolly]

24. Right *I* said he was a lying hypocrite. Conyers said Bush would

harm the nation, and the earth in general. I agreed with Mr. Conyers then and now.

[blm]

3. Dobbs did this country a disservice when he refused to contrast Bush and

Kerry's economic and energy plans during the election. Frankly, it should have been his duty as a financial reporter to do that.

I think saying something so amazingly wrong is his way of letting himself off the hook for his shoddy reporting during the election. Alot of journos seem to be doing that lately to distance themselves from their own neglect all these years.

[Terran1212]

5. Nader fights for grassroots democracy

Always has, always will. You might name any number of imperfections in him, but compare him to a Hilary Clinton and you quickly are forced to back down from sheer magnitude.

It's a shame that the mainstream parties don't work for progressives and Nader does; it's a shame people will attack him for it.

[mzmolly]

6. How CAN you compare? Nader has NO record in office.

All he has are political after thoughts and inaccurate predictions about what kind of President Bush would be.

[Terran1212]

8. "GRASROOTS DEMOCRACY" -- not in office, but outside it

He did unfortunately turn down an opportunity to become a VP candidate for the Democrats once (maybe something he regrets). He's fought more and put his neck out on the line more than any mainstream politician I can think of.

In my opinion he's in the league of John Lewis, Conyers, etc who were themselves risking their lives for the civil rights movements; he took on Big Auto and others.

[mzmolly]

10. Bologna. Nader is in a league with crazy old narcistic has beens.

And WHO asked Nader to be VP? :eyes: That's a new one.

Conyers is in office, fighting the fight where it's won. And I don't think Conyers would appreciate your comparison.

[Terran1212]

16. Idk what Conyers would think of Nader, but I doubt he'd attack someone

Who has continually fought for justice wherever the chance arose.

[mzmolly]

28. So, helping Bush get elected was "justice."

I don't think you can say that to the people of Iraq/New Orleans can you?

[Terran1212]

33. VOTERS decide elections; not candidates -- Do you not believe in choice?

This is obscene! This is getting Stalinistic.

[mzmolly]

39. I do believe in choice, and I believe in my right to criticize a lying

political opponent. Is it Stalinistic to criticize Bush too?

[radio4progressives]

19. Who are the "narcistic has beens" that Nader is in league with?

:shrug: I sure wish you were a little more specific...

[mzmolly]

26. Zell Miller for one.

Who are the great politicians he is in league with?

[radio4progressives]

18. You're kidding right?

Nader's entire life work as a consumer advocate is to be dismissed as having "no record in office" ?

What about running candidates that are Veterans?

They have no "record in office"...

sometimes.... i just have to shake my head...

[mzmolly]

27. Consumer advocates are not elected officals forced to vote on the record.

One can't compare the "records" of elected officials with those who have not served in office.

[Terran1212]

35. Yes, the elected officials are crooks and grassroots have done good

There, I just compared them.

[mzmolly]

40. "Grass roots?" Nader isn't grass roots he's friggin "root rot."

And he's a political opponent of the past two Democratic Presidential candidates.

[mdmc]

7. well someone HAS to work for progressives

and when dems (like the pda) take the progressive fight to the dems, they get hacked. I am a democrat with a ton of respect for Nader.

[radio4progressives]

21. hear hear...

:applause:

[mzmolly]

29. You should do more research on Nader mdmc.

I think that respect thing might just dry up.

Tarek Milleron, Nader's nephew and close advisor in the campaign, told the Village Voice that Nader was running "because we want to punish the Democrats, we want to hurt them, wound them."

Unfortunately, the people of the earth have been "punished/hurt/wounded" under the Bush administration.

[mdmc]

36. I don't ever really research anything Moll. I follow my heart always

I've been moved to tears politically five times in my life (not including CSKing funeral / JFKjr).
1. Raygun beats Carter in 1980 (I was in 5th grade, and I cried. It was war with Iran time).
2. Clinton in NH during the primary, right after another bimbo + pot use allegation. He had a cold or something. Without a voice he gave the best speech I have ever heard.
3. Ralph Nader - sold out Madison Square Garden. Dudes were smokin pot at the speech!
4. Howard Dean at the DNC Winter Conference in Iowa 2003. Standing ovation!
5. Local public defender turned elected Judge Peter Kulkin (told some stories about folks he represents, and the problems of poverty and crime in America).

I follow my heart. Ralph says the things that I need to hear. Things that no one else will say. Things that need to be said. Things that Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schuemer firmly believe, privately. Things that Maurice Hinchey will say when at a private event or while with local activist. Things that you will hear always from any leader in the black community.

Like I said upthread, Nader reaches folks that you and I can't get to. He turns the kids on to the cause, and I love him for it. Once kids (teens, young adults) get turned on to liberalism, they can then buy into the DLC, or the DNC, or whatever cause they can settle on.

Bill Clinton had charisma, and could bring nonvoters in on his charm.
The Greens can turn nonvoters on with their platform. It is a beautiful thing, and I cherish it. It is beneficial to the democrats.

[mzmolly]

37. I was moved to tears in 2000 when 38% of Nader voters said they would

have voted for Gore if he hadn't run for office. I've paid attention to much of what Nader said, and so much of it is inaccurate and that cost us progressives and the most vulnerable people in society dearly in the end.

I'm going to leave it at that mdmc.

Peace to ya.

[mdmc]

41. Peace

:hug:

[Minnesota Libra]

12. A consumer advocate in the WH - that will fix everything right up..nt

[mdmc]

14. I would prefer Garrison Keillor over w.

over Nader too. :)

[Minnesota Libra]

22. Personally, I was thinking along the lines of..........

....Feingold as VP:loveeya: and maybe Dean/Gore/Kerry/Edwards as Pres.O8)

edited to add: We are in such a hell of a mess now that we definitely need someone with some real government experience to help pull us out of this.

[mdmc]

31. alBERT!

it is Gore time!
I didn't vote for him in 96 or in 2000, but I will work my butt off for him in 2008. :patriot:

[NNN0LHI]

44. Why doesn't Dobbs ever push conservative third party candidates? n/t

[mzmolly]

46. Indeed, over 200 people ran for President in 2004. Only 3 got major

media attention when it all shook down - 2 of the three had over 50 million supporters, one served only to spoil.