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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:35 AM
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So is Ted Kennedy behind Feingold's resolution or not?
I got this e-mail from his camp. If he sends this e-mail out but doesn't get behind the resolution, I'd like to give him a piece of mind.

Dear _____,

More than 45,000 people have endorsed Senate Resolution 350, rejecting the Bush Administration's preposterous claim that when Congress authorized the use of military force against the terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq, it implicitly also authorized the president to spy on American citizens without a court order. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our leaders have a responsibility to defend our country and that includes the responsibility to defend the constitutional rights that make us Americans, not violate them.

On Monday, I was on a conference call with some of the most active members of the TedKennedy.com community, individuals who had endorsed the resolution and then reached out to urge others to join us. It was a special opportunity to talk about the many difficult issues we face in the Senate, and I look forward to more of these opportunities in the near future.

You can listen to the audio of the call through the website:

www.tedkennedy.com/callaudio

The coming months hold many more opportunities for calls like this, and I hope you'll be part of those.

It's amazing to think back to our first campaign website in 1994 and track the growth of our online presence. More that 170,000 people have joined us since then. Together, we are a powerful voice and will continue to oppose the abuse of power by the Bush Administration and the Republican leadership in Congress. Let's continue to expand our community, be involved in the 2006 elections, and elect a Congress that will restore the people's confidence in America's leaders.

Thank you for all your effective work.

Sincerely,

Senator Edward M. Kennedy

P.S.: You can spread the word about Senate Resolution 350 -- or endorse it yourself -- here:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:37 AM
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1. I doubt it.
Sometimes I get the feeling that Senators barely talk to each other.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:42 AM
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2. I received that e-mail on Feb. 23 n/t
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 10:43 AM by ProSense
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:09 AM
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7. Really? I received it March 16th.
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 11:10 AM by kitkat65
After some digging, Resolution 350 is Kennedy and Leahy's attempt to slap Bush on the wrist. From Kennedy's website:

Add your name to Senate Resolution 350
Congress never authorized the Bush Admnistration to spy on U.S. citizens without court-issued warrants, and Senate Resolution 350 makes that crystal-clear. Please review it, add your name in support and spread the word about this important document.

Kennedy's camp sent the e-mail in my original post on the 16th. I suppose it's in response to Feingold's resolution.

When I looked on Kennedy's official website, I couldn't find a thing about Resolution 350. The only way I was able to get to the Resolution 350 petition sign on page was through a Google search.

Edited for grammer
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:28 AM
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9. It was not a resolution asking Bush to apologize
Edited on Sat Mar-18-06 11:28 AM by ProSense
Kennedy's resolution declares that Bush did not have the authorization to spy and he wants a full investigation of the matter:


SENATE RESOLUTION 350--EXPRESSING THE SENSE OF THE SENATE THAT SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION 23 (107TH CONGRESS), AS ADOPTED BY THE SENATE ON SEPTEMBER 14, 2001, AND SUBSEQUENTLY ENACTED AS THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE DOES NOT AUTHORIZE WARRANTLESS DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE OF UNITED STATES CITIZENS -- (Senate - January 20, 2006)


GPO's PDF
--- Mr. LEAHY (for himself and Mr. KENNEDY) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary:

S. Res. 350

Whereas the Bill of Rights to the United States Constitution was ratified 214 years ago;

Whereas the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees to the American people the right ``to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures'';

Whereas the Fourth Amendment provides that courts shall issue ``warrants'' to authorize searches and seizures, based upon probable cause;

Whereas the United States Supreme Court has consistently held for nearly 40 years that the monitoring and recording of private conversations constitutes a ``search and seizure'' within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment;

Whereas Congress was concerned about the United States Government unconstitutionally spying on Americans in the 1960s and 1970s;

Whereas Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.), commonly referred to as ``FISA'', to provide a legal mechanism for the United States Government to engage in searches of Americans in connection with intelligence gathering and counterintelligence;

Whereas Congress expressly enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, and specified provisions of the Federal criminal code (including those governing wiretaps for criminal investigations), as the ``exclusive means by which domestic electronic surveillance ..... may be conducted'' pursuant to law (18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(f));

Whereas the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 establishes the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (commonly referred to as the ``FISA court''), and the procedures by which the United States Government may obtain a court order authorizing electronic surveillance (commonly referred to as a ``FISA warrant'') for foreign intelligence collection in the United States;

Whereas Congress created the FISA court to review wiretapping applications for domestic electronic surveillance to be conducted by any Federal agency;

Whereas the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 provides specific exceptions that allow the President to authorize warrantless electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes (1) in emergency situations, provided an application for judicial approval from a FISA court is made within 72 hours; and (2) within 15 calendar days following a declaration of war by Congress;

Whereas the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 makes criminal any electronic surveillance not authorized by statute;

Whereas the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 has been amended over time by Congress since the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States;

Whereas President George W. Bush has confirmed that his administration engages in warrantless electronic surveillance of Americans inside the United States and that he has authorized such warrantless surveillance more than 30 times since September 11, 2001; and

Whereas Senate Joint Resolution 23 (107th Congress), as adopted by the Senate on September 14, 2001, and House Joint Resolution 64 (107th Congress), as adopted by the House of Representatives on September 14, 2001, together enacted as the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40), to authorize military action against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001, do not contain legal authorization nor approve of domestic electronic surveillance, including domestic electronic surveillance of United States citizens, without a judicially approved warrant: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That Senate Joint Resolution 23 (107th Congress), as adopted by the Senate on September 14, 2001, and subsequently enacted as the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) does not authorize warrantless domestic surveillance of United States citizens.


Snip...

Congress and the American people deserve full and honest answers about the Administration's domestic electronic surveillance activities. On December 22, 2005, I asked the President to provide us with answers before the Senate Judiciary Committee began hearings on Judge Alito's nomination to the Supreme Court. We got no response. The Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to begin separate hearings on February 6 on the President's actions. Instead of providing us with the documents the Administration relied upon, the Justice Department continues to circulate summaries and ``white papers'' on the legal authorities it purports to have to ignore the law. It now appears that the President did so on at least thirty occasions after September 11. There is no legitimate purpose in denying access by Members of Congress to all of the legal thought and analysis that the President relied upon when he authorized these activities.

Every 45 days, the President ordered these activities to be reviewed by the Attorney General, the White House Counsel and the Inspector General of the National Security Agency. That's not good enough. These are all executive branch appointees who report directly to the President.

Congress spent seven years considering and enacting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It was not a hastily conceived idea. We had broad agreement that both Congressional oversight and judicial oversight were fundamental--even during emergencies or times of war, which is why we established a secret court to expedite the review of sensitive applications from the government.

Now, the administration has made a unilateral decision that Congressional and judicial oversight can be discarded, in spite of what the law obviously requires. We need a thorough investigation of these activities. Congress and the American people deserve answers, and they deserve answers now.


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2006_record&page=S30&position=all





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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 01:57 PM
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16. Can you put this up on its own thread and add the transcript from
Feingold's press conference so people can finally understand that they are pulling the pins on the grenades too quickly?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:42 PM
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13. On some of Kennedy's and Kerry's email
When someone responds they are offered the chance to send the email to others. Possibliy you got it late because you weren't on the original list. I got it weeks ago.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:58 PM
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14. A slap on the wrist? And censure is what, exactly? n/t
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:45 AM
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3. I hoping Russ will shame the whole lot of 'em into supporting it
then we can vote their asses out in the upcoming elections for betraying our trust in having to be forced to do what is right.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:55 AM
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4. The fact that Ted Kennedy has not come out for it yet...
Is telling...

Does anyone here truly believe Ted Kennedy would hesitate for a minute to oppose Bush and his policies. And he obvioulsly believes Bush's actions were illegal.

Perhaps Sen. Feingold should have gathered the support of some of these members first.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 10:57 AM
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5. Maybe he is waiting so the Right can't say "crazy liberals" support this
and will throw in his vote when it counts.

Once Teddy's name gets thrown into the mix, the argument will change.

Maybe I overthink things.
:silly:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:09 AM
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6. Perhaps they should follow someone who stands up and leads
They had plenty of time to do it themselves and they didn't- so now its their turn to follow.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:19 AM
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8. Perhaps Feingold screwed up...
And should have at least gotten his natural allies in this effort on board before he made his proposal!
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:40 AM
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11. Oh, you mean he should have acted like a typical timid Democrat, afraid
to take a stand or speak up for what he believes in?
Maybe he should have formed a task force or a sub-committee that meets every other Thursday.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:00 PM
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12. No...and as usual...
Words are put into my mouth. It does no good to be right if you are not also organized. Feingold was not organized...and did not even bother to get his natural allies in this effort on board first...

Are you implying Ted Kennedy is a typical timid Democrat?

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:05 PM
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15. Timid, like when he didn't stand up in JUNE 05 on DSM -
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?page_id=1022

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=683816&mesg_id=693195

And Kerry did take some time and make the rounds trying to get support. Did Feingold think that DSM wasn't important? What's his excuse?

You know it really gets tiring seeing Kerry & Kennedy bashed for not jumping on Feingold's bandwagon immediately with zero warning, when Feingold didn't even support them in calling for investigation of the Downing Street Minutes.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 11:39 AM
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10. It seems that Kennedy and Leahy were leading
There still are things not known - such as who was spied on. Demanding investigation seems as good a way to go.

Having them attack this in multiple ways is great.
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