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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:08 PM
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So now everyone wants to be Irish do they?
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 06:11 PM by Sequoia
But we know that wasn't always the case:

http://www.haverford.edu/engl/faculty/Sherman/Irish/stpat's.jpg
Thomas Nast, "The Day We Celebrate: St. Patrick's Day, 1867)", Harper's Weekly, April 6, 1867.

http://www.haverford.edu/engl/faculty/Sherman/Irish/stpat's.jpg

This is the very man who gave us Santa Claus
http://www.racontours.com/Pic's/GV/santa-nast2.gif

No toys for Irish children I guess.

(Edited to repost pictures, but still now showing for some reason!)
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:09 PM
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1. "No toys for Irish children I guess"
of course not. They smell like cabbage.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:10 PM
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2. My grandmother used to tell me stories about the signs that said
"No Irish need apply".
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:13 PM
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3. Ehmmmm, celebrate St. Pat if you want, but Ireland's still divided
and the folks in Ulster have their chance to beat the drum at the beginning of July to remember their day at the Boyne.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:26 PM
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6. My great X 20 grandfather, Daniel Shields, was from
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 06:27 PM by Clark2008
Armagh and fought with the Catholics at the Battle of Boyne.

I just found that out this week while I was Googling a family tree my grandmother did for me 20 years ago.

I knew I was Irish on both sides - Protestant on my Dad's and Catholic on my Mom's - but I didn't know how ingrained my family was. It's interesting.

P.S. I've enjoyed all these threads - even the more contintious ones.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:37 PM
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7. Somehow leaving Ireland let many family's put the trouble behind them.
I wish the same for those who stayed. I'll drink to the wish for a century of peace to heal the wounds both sides accumulated over the centuries.

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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:54 PM
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8. I'm Irish - I'll drink to most anything!
:rofl:

Seriously, your wish is a beautiful one. I also hope for a century of peace and I'll add the prosperity of the working man and woman.

:toast:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:00 PM
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9. Siochain!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:16 PM
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4. Well, he can take his Santa and shove it up his smug ass!!!


This one works so hard to be offensive, doesn't it?? It's really AGGRESSIVE in its' fear and hatred. Damn--all that evil must have eaten away at that guy's moth-shredded soul.

Would that the sumbitch could only live today, so he could see how thick the police forces of so many major cities are with African and Irish leadership!

Ummm hummm, Mister Nast, we'll be sure to be keeping a close eye on you!!!
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:25 PM
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5. One of the funniest Mike Jasper columns ever...
...called "Ireland is the Mexico of Europe"

I'm only half white. The other half? Irish.

"You're not Irish, you only wish you were Irish," my buddy Sean barked at me one day. Sean's a real Irishman, born and bred in Dublin. Like so many others before him, he came to America to seek his fame and fortune (he's so Canadian that way).

"You're American, a fuckin' American," he said. "America's been around for over 200 years now. Get used to it."

I glared at him. "Right. I only wish I were Irish. I only wish I lived in the most sexually repressed country in the world, where civil war is a way of life, where kids get to live with their parents till they're 30, where the economy's so bad that Yankee-hating fucks like you have no choice but to move to the States."

Well, that's what I wanted to say. Instead I asked him, "Sean, how many times do you masturbate in a day?"

He turned beet red, downed his Guinness, muttered "Fuck off," and walked to the other end of the bar. If you ever want to stop an Irish-Catholic boy dead in his tracks, just mention masturbation. Works every time. Irish-Catholic guys will talk all night long about fucking their women or getting head in the back seat of an Oldsmobile. But masturbation? That's a straight-to-hell sin.

When I lived in Sebastopol, California (north of San Francisco, for the geographically curious) I used to hang out at a bar called Jasper's (no relation) where I often drank many beers with three Irish expatriates: Sean, Mullen and Eddie. Both Sean and Mullen considered themselves political militants, and both were musicians hoping to strike it rich in the States. At the very least, they wanted a steady gig.

Eddie didn't harbor any such plans or convictions. As far as I can tell, Eddie came to America to drink Southern whiskey and fuck California girls.

Sean supported himself by working as a counselor for wayward boys (no doubt preaching against the sin of self-abuse), while Mullen worked as a waiter at Jasper's. Since his visa had expired, Eddie took any construction job he could get, as long as the company was willing to pay him under the table. (Little known fact: After Mexicans, the Irish are the biggest group of illegal aliens in California.)

"Jasper," Eddie asked me one day. "Do you think I'm in danger of being deported?"

"Naw," I said, taking a swig of beer. "You just keep on not being Mexican and I'm sure the government will leave you alone."

Sean didn't have to worry about getting his visa renewed. He had a system. Every six months or so, he'd go up to Canada, get his passport fixed, then re-enter the United States. He played that game for about five years.

Mullen didn't care about getting his visa renewed. He was going to stay in the country one year and either get a recording contract or head back to Dublin and resume his day job as a city clerk. Like Sean, he had a problem with Americans of Irish descent calling themselves Irish.

"You know, every time I wait on a table someone will hear my accent and ask if I'm Irish. So I always ask them what nationality they are. They usually say Italian, German, French or whatever. Today, for the first time ever, I had someone tell me, 'I'm American.'"

"And you think that's good?" I asked.

"I do," Mullen said.

"Look, cheese dick. If you want to understand America you should understand this: We're a young country and since many of our forefathers immigrated to America within the last 100 years, we tend to relate to our great-great-grandparents' nationality. It's a very American thing to do. Only Native Americans can say they're American and mean it, although they're more likely to say they're Cherokee or Iroquois or Pomo or whatever. The kind of asshole who says, 'I'm American,' is the same asshole who wouldn't hesitate sending a stealth bomber to Dublin and blasting the fuck out of it, should oil ever be discovered there."

That's what I wanted to say. Instead I just asked him, "Mullen, do you masturbate with your left or right hand?"

St. Patrick's Day at Jasper's was the biggest money night at the bar, even bigger than New Year's Eve. I hated both holidays. Those were the nights I'd lose my bar stool to some social-drinking fuck in a party hat. But I usually showed up in the early evening to sip a green beer before going home and drinking myself into a stupor.

On one such St. Patrick's Day -- 1989 I think -- I started to leave the bar when Sean called after me.

"Mike, you work for the newspaper, right?"

"Yeah."

"Do you know a columnist there by the name of Larry Murphy?"

"Yeah."

"Well, last year he wrote some things about the Irish and I made a bomb threat and sent him an anonymous letter saying his family would be killed if he ever wrote about Ireland again."

"No shit? Can you make another bomb threat? I could use a day off."

"I'm serious. I've been feeling guilty ever since. He probably has a wife and kids and I have no right scaring him like that."

"Naw, he's gay. But I get the point. What did he write about, anyway?"

"He wrote how Ireland's a violent country and how we all hate each other."

"And you responded with a bomb threat?" I laughed.

"I can see the irony," Sean said. "Anyway, can you tell him that I didn't mean it? That is, without telling him who I am?"

"Yeah, I can do that. Besides, he's Irish... ahhhh... he has an Irish name, so he's probably sympathetic."

"Good on ya, Jasper," he said.

That was one of my last conversations with Sean. A couple of weeks later, he and Mullen moved back to Dublin. Sean moved in with his parents and Mullen resumed his clerk job.

Eddie? He's now an American citizen. He sneaked in under some special illegal-alien amnesty bill a few years back. When asked, he still refers to himself as Irish.

Fuckin' American.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:03 PM
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10. I know that place!!!
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 07:09 PM by Sequoia
I moved there 5 years ago yesterday! Only went into Jasper's once. And today is my wedding anniversary. Don't live in that town anymore but am there quite often eating sample berries at the Whole Foods Market. So why are you living in Texas? All those fires and stuff...you can have some of our rain. No payback needed.
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