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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:41 PM
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Sen Reid:"I Really Do Believe This Man Is Worst Pres This Country Has Had"
By CARL HULSE
Published: March 17, 2006
WASHINGTON, March 16 — The Senate narrowly approved a $2.8 trillion election-year budget Thursday that broke spending limits only hours after it increased federal borrowing power to avert a government default.

The budget decision at the end of a marathon day of voting followed a separate 52-to-48 Senate vote to increase the federal debt limit by $781 billion, bringing the debt ceiling to nearly $9 trillion. The move left Democrats attacking President Bush and Congressional Republicans for piling up record debt in their years in power


Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, said Thursday that given Mr. Bush's record, "I really do believe this man will go down as the worst president this country has ever had."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/politics/17spend.html?ex=1300251600&en=3c4e9507815f2ad4&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:41 PM
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1. Hmph...Yet Reid still cowtows to Repugs....
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:43 PM
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2. A gummit default!
:rofl: IMO, a reboot or set it back to factory specs! Gummit llf! :evilgrin:
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:44 PM
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3. time to do something about it ? nt
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:45 PM
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4. Then he apologized
Right!!!!

That's probably what will happen.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:47 PM
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6. You are right...we just have to wait for the apology!! It's coming...
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:08 PM
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23. Sen. Reid
I really do believe you are a ball-less wonder
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:45 PM
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5. Still, Reid did not support a censure motion...
Sen Reid:"I Really Do Believe This Man Is Worst Pres This Country Has Had"

By CARL HULSE
Published: March 17, 2006
WASHINGTON, March 16 — The Senate narrowly approved a $2.8 trillion election-year budget Thursday that broke spending limits only hours after it increased federal borrowing power to avert a government default.

The budget decision at the end of a marathon day of voting followed a separate 52-to-48 Senate vote to increase the federal debt limit by $781 billion, bringing the debt ceiling to nearly $9 trillion. The move left Democrats attacking President Bush and Congressional Republicans for piling up record debt in their years in power

Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, said Thursday that given Mr. Bush's record, "I really do believe this man will go down as the worst president this country has ever had."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/politics/17spend.html
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:31 PM
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55. he's afraid of uniting their base
and hoping our base will unite around something different. I can't tell if it is really a good move or a bad move.

...but we won't know unless we fix our "fixed" elections :shrug:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:00 PM
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99. You would think Reid would have supported Goldfein!!!
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:47 PM
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7. Worst Pres ever yet afraid to Censure him. What a wussy!
And I like Senator Reid but for God's sake Stand up to the Chimp! What are they waiting for? -20% approval ratings? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:53 PM
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8. my thoughts exactly
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:58 PM
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14. Call him! He's YOUR Minority Leader, too...
Keep asking your Senators the Magic Question:

"Does the Senator support censure... or criminal activity?"

Call EVERY DAY and demand an answer till you get one.

Then don't give up after you get one. The aides will try to tell you that the Senator wants to "wait for there to be a full investigation."

Fine. Ask them if the Senator really trusts Arlen Spectre and the Republicon cronies to investigate the criminal activities of their boy GW**...

Ask them if they've heard the report that the FBI was spying on peace groups before the Iraq invasion, and remind them that spying on political enemies includes Democratic Senators and their aides...

Ask them if their silence makes them accessories to a crime...

(And yes, they probably ARE waiting for GW**'s numbers to hit the twenties. As another asute DUer pointed out in the past few days, that's where Nixon had to go before there was a critical mass in the Congress... Shame, really.)

NGU.


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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 05:47 AM
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94. They don't listen........
phone calls, faxes, e-mails.....they all fall upon deaf ears. That we must constantly browbeat our elected Democratic officials to do their jobs is bad enough, that they continue to ignore their constituents and carry on with their sheepish conformity to bush policy is outrageous.
"We, the people", has become a joke. "We, the people", no longer control the direction of our country. Corporate oligarchy has firmly entrenched itself as the controlling power in our country and I'm beginning to think there's not a damned thing we can do about it.
Our country is fucked. We're merely the Corporate chattel that greases the machine. My view of this country has become more jaded and fatalistic than ever. I don't believe there is any way to tear down the present system and return the days of, "We, the people". I hate to say this, but we're fighting a losing battle. Evil has won and we are powerless to stop it. Sorry to be so maudlin and defeatist, but I see no way to reverse course. The die is cast.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:33 PM
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Reid's all talk
When it comes to putting up, Reid's pattern has been to back down and shut up. I don't see that changing any time soon.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:33 PM
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42. 20% is coming within weeks.
Then we'll see our Dems stand up and fight. Not.

Another DU thread syas the latest Harris poll has Bush at 68% disapproval, 30% approval. He's circling the drain.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:34 PM
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43. Reid is a worm.
Reid and his fellow Do-nothingcrats deserve no respect or support.

They've become the laughingstock of the nation--schlepps who can't even find the courage to censor the man they consider the worst prez in history!

No wonder the Daily Show is busy mocking these hapless Dems now.
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Mynameissalvatore Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 11:11 PM
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86. Its amazing to me
that the Republicans used all of their might to attack Clinton when his approval numers were as high as they were. They had no fear attacking a hugely popular president and our Democrats, given they are a minority, dont have the balls to stand up to a president with numbers around 34%.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:54 PM
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9. When you stand up to him ...
we'll take you seriously. Until then, don't bother making pronouncements like this.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:54 PM
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10. Without actions to back them up, Harry's words are mere
pushed air. Put up or shut up, Mr. Reid.

Or you may find the people you "represent" forcing you out of your job.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:39 PM
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72. Exactly.
Reid says the moron is the worst president ever, yet he won't support censure. Talk is cheap, and his words mean nothing.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:56 PM
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11. If Reid does not vote for CENSURE and use his power as Democratic Leader
to get the rest of the Dems in line, we need to push him out and get Feingold in the leadership position!!

Tell the Senate: Censure Bush on Illegal Wiretapping

The facts of the matter really aren't in dispute. The President has admitted to conducting a domestic spying program outside the scope of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), despite the fact that FISA is the exclusive means of such surveillance inside the United States. The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution also clearly prohibits searches without a warrant based upon probable cause.

President Bush's justifications for his illegal conduct have shifted with the wind. Most recently, he has been claiming that powers entrusted to him after the Sept. 11th attacks give him free rein to blatantly and openly violate existing law and our Constitution. Sadly, the Republican-controlled Congress has completely abdicated the "checks and balances" role our nation's founders envisioned to restrain Presidents with tendencies towards tyranny.

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?ItemId=20475&afccode=c2dw
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:57 PM
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12. "Yeah, he's evil incarnate but we really shouldn't slap his wrist"
It might hurt his feelings.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:05 PM
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21. The majority of Dems have bought into the RW frame.
Censuring shrub would be piling on and make the shrub a "victim" which would garner sympathy for the shrub. It is better to let the shrub and his Criminal Cabal self destruct. Pounding on shrub now with possible Impeachment may fire up his support and cause voters to vote Repub in '06 to protect the Pres. from an awful fate: Impeachment and firing.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 03:58 PM
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13. REID WOULD HAVE NEVER SAID THAT IF FEINGOLD HADN'T CALLED FOR CENSURE!
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 04:36 PM by jsamuel
That is what I think anyway.

That is why the censure was one of the best things anyone has led on in a very long time in the Senate.

Thanks Harry!
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splat@14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:20 PM
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81. No shit. Time to "walk the walk", dammit. Harry needs berries!
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:00 PM
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15. then censure his ass Harry - come on...where's that big sack
of yours?

I do not understand this....
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:51 PM
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62. It's in a jar, on Busholini's desk...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:00 PM
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16. "Worst president ever" is putting it lightly.
I personally believe that George W. Bush is the child of Satan sent here to destroy the planet.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:43 PM
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46. I think you are insulting Satan, or papa Bush or whomever you mean
with such a remark. :evilgrin:



This week my local paper's LTTEs are ablaze because someone wrote in saying that comparing dimson to Hitler was an insult... to Hitler.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:01 PM
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17. So, can we expect him to support the censure resolution? n/t
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:01 PM
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18. Censure that faithless, criminal bastard NOW, Harry...
Why wait? You know who he is and what he does. Just tell Feingold you're on board. It's that easy. Censure. Now. Please.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:02 PM
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19. "But I don't support Censure or Impeachment"
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:04 PM
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20. So Harry -- the least you can do then is censure the basstard before
he brings the whole country down with him!! Grow some balls!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:06 PM
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22. Sen Reid:"I Really Do Believe This Man Is Worst Pres This Country Has Had"
And that would be in spite of your assistance, right Senator Reid?

Instead of confronting * every chance you get, you allow him to get away with all this shit.

Fight him! Tell him NO!! Every step of the way!!!

Throw a fit - call press conferences - let the American people know what kind of crap they're throwing at us.

Like telling us how important it is to support our troops, yet * is cutting funding for veteran health! How the f*ck are we supporting our troops when we do shit like that? They are our American heroes and we aren't taking care of them. They took care of us, we OWE IT TO THEM!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

There is so much bullshit going on, the Republicans are saying one thing, then doing another, and no one knows because the Dems aren't talking about it and the MSM isn't covering it.

...Thinking calming thoughts...
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:09 PM
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24. One should add some Republican comments on their fiscal incontinence
"It is very disturbing, and it gives me a whole lot of heartburn," said Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, who attributed the additional spending to political anxiety. "They want to go and say they are helping people, but we are not helping people when we are selling out their future."

. . .

"This budget could be the final nail in our coffin, if we don't watch it," said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who said the Republican spending pattern was demoralizing party voters. "I don't think we properly understand the keys to our electoral success."


Landrieu was the only Dem who voted today to up the Republican credit-card limit.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:09 PM
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25. Excuse me-but if he believes this then WHY............
.......isn't he at least getting all Dems on board for this Censure Bill of Senator Feingold's??:shrug: Talking the talk is one thing but walking the walk is quite another matter entirely.:wtf:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:11 PM
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26. We do not have a President, Senator Reid,
we have a corporation or group of corporations running the nation and using a front man or men in the White House as decoration.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:11 PM
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27. Good for Senator Reid. He's right. I thought with all the pissing on
him here someone should show a bit of appreciation. :toast:
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:21 PM
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29. Words speak louder than actions, eh?
Reid will whine a bit about Bush, but he's too gutless to vote for a censure resolution. What curious grounds for giving him your "appreciation"!

Be sure of this: the Do-nothingcrats are grateful you don't require them to act, let alone lead.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:32 PM
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37. Actions are not limited to one event are they?
Do-nothingcrats? :eyes:
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:53 PM
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57. No, you're right. Let's not sell Reid short.
Along with his empty rhetoric today, Reid's failure to oppose the war, stop Bush's worst judicial appointments, and fight the loss of civil liberties belong in our calculus, too.

So, on reflection, how does Most Appreciated Worst Senate Minority Leader in history sound?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:41 PM
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60. An abusive personality finds fault with every thing a person does
waiting, watching for the slightest perceived F-up. That's how much of DU operates.

Democrats - who are in the minority can't STOP Bush's judicial appointments.

As for the war, Bush lied - people were lied to. Funny, that.

Harry Reid on the day he forced the Senate into a closed session on the Iraq War demanding an investigation:

http://reid.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=248129

“Let’s take a look back at how we got here with respect to Iraq Mr. President. The record will show that within hours of the terrorist attacks on 9/11, senior officials in this Administration recognized these attacks could be used as a pretext to invade Iraq.

“The record will also show that in the months and years after 9/11, the Administration engaged in a pattern of manipulation of the facts and retribution against anyone who got in its way as it made the case for attacking Iraq.

“There are numerous examples of how the Administration misstated and manipulated the facts as it made the case for war. Administration statements on Saddam’s alleged nuclear weapons capabilities and ties with Al Qaeda represent the best examples of how it consistently and repeatedly manipulated the facts.

“The American people were warned time and again by the President, the Vice President, and the current Secretary of State about Saddam’s nuclear weapons capabilities. The Vice President said Iraq “has reconstituted its nuclear weapons.” Playing upon the fears of Americans after September 11, these officials and others raised the specter that, left unchecked, Saddam could soon attack America with nuclear weapons.


As for the loss of civil liberties, you presume Bush cares about our judicial system. You are aware of the FISA fiasco I presume? I also assume you know that the Pat Act expired BECAUSE of Democrats? Further, the pat act was revised before passing again.

http://reid.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=248129

One simple question: Do you care about winning elections?
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:13 AM
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87. Maybe you're right.
You...you've got me there. I'm so embarrassed. It's a form of extreme neurosis. I can't control it. Comes on at odd intervals, starting as a tingling under the steel plate in my scalp and then slowly resolving into a loud, persistent chant in my head: "Must...abuse...Democratic Party leaders! Must...watch, wait for...slightest perceived F-up!" Tell me honestly, now. And don't hold back. Do you think it's all because I saw my folks screwing once, Dr. Freud?

Anyway, on to your points:

waiting, watching for the slightest perceived F-up. That's how much of DU operates.

That's your take. Ours is rather different, and you should at least try to see it: we want representation and progressive solutions. We have given your pals six years--six years!--and they have spectacularly failed to oppose. Our patience is at an end, however much yours runneth over.

Democrats - who are in the minority can't STOP Bush's judicial appointments.

Filibuster. It was always possible. Unhappily, several prominent Dems notoriously cut a deal with the other side to avoid that battle, didn't they? And quite a few found it in themselves to profess admiration for the likes of John Roberts.

As for the war, Bush lied - people were lied to. Funny, that.

George Clooney answered that canard brilliantly this week. Allow me to quote from today's Guardian:

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1732950,00.html

A posting appeared under Clooney's byline and picture on Monday, entitled "I am a Liberal. There, I said it!" In it the Oscar-winning actor attacked the Democratic party for passivity in the face of Republican warmongering. "It drives me crazy to hear all these Democrats saying, 'We were misled'," he wrote. "It makes me want to shout, 'Fuck you, you weren't misled. You were afraid of being called unpatriotic.'"
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:37 PM
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95. Six years of being in the minority because people like YOU are too pure
to "plug their noses." Unless of course you did plug yours?

Filibustering Roberts would have delayed the nomination, but it makes for a nice talking point huh? Boy Nader is going to love it come 2008 when he can use how he helped Republicans F this country - against Democrats again. Get ready, prick up your ears - your gonna need to polish up those anti-"democrat" talking points.

To be clear on where Clooney stands since your using his remarks in your reply:
http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/George_Clooney.php

I saw Clooneys quote, and I agree to an extent. Given he is generally very supportive both financially and vocally of the Democratic Party, I can't place him into the "perpetual pessimist" category.

I also understand that Democrats who voted yea on this war issue did so after they pushed * to get a vote on the war in the first place. If you'll recall * said he had authority under original UN resolutions? He was going to war with or without the "formality" of a vote. I also recall Democrats who voted yea pushing for * to follow through on his "war as a last resort" promise. I recall them demanding that * allow inspections to continue. I know it wasn't a black/white issue. However I was angry with the vote in spite of the attempt to have it both ways by many.

The question is what do we do to make certain the roles are reversed in 06/08??? I'd like to see Democrats in power - how bout you?
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:48 PM
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73. give em a moderate amount of hell harry!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:38 PM
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96. "Foam at the mouth Harry!!!"
Spit some teeth, bust a vein damnit!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:14 PM
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28. Senator Reid calls Bush the worst president ever
and Democratic Underground dumps on him.


:puke:
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:23 PM
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32. Reid is a Do-nothingcrat
Only the easily-impressed are satisfied with his empty words.

So he called Bush the worst prez ever. Enjoy your moment of zen, my friend!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:24 PM
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33. He's kind of late to the "Party" on this.....but it's nice that he spoke
about it.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:32 PM
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39. I love Harry
A lot of what's happened to the Republican party has been self-destruction, but I also think Harry (and other Dems like Boxer, Conyers, Feingold, etc) have done a great job considering they're in the minority to a bunch of goose-stepping * lackeys.

The polls are looking great these days, but the same old people are still in power, at least until November, and the Dems have to work with them. Also, it could be that the party leadership thinks that censure would end the criticism of Bush prematurely (John Q. Public might think "well, the guy's been punished for his sins, let's leave him alone now"). I absolutely support censure 100% from where I'm sitting--it just seems like such an obviously necessary thing to do--but maybe there are reasons the leadership are being coy about it. (I certainly do hope there are reasons, anyway. For one thing, since the Republicans wouldn't vote for censure, maybe having it fail would just be a horrible embarrassment, like when a kid who's getting picked on tries to stand up to a bully and just gets whapped down all over again.) Harry's not a milquetoast, he's a damn good political chess player, and he reads the polls, and if he felt it was a good idea to rally the troops around censure, I'm sure he'd do it.

I'll put my asbestos suit on now.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:37 PM
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44. Since when
is standing up for the rule of law, the constitution and speaking truth to power something to be embarrassed about???
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:32 PM
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40. F*ck the whiners.
I'm tired of their shit.

Why any politician would listen to a bunch of pissers who aren't happy one way or another is beyond me.

It's taken me awhile to get it out, but I'm glad I said it. Now I can go back to my regularly scheduled programming.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:23 PM
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30. Senator Reid, I DISAGREE.
GWB and Reagan are equally terrible.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:29 PM
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36. Check back at the end of 2007. If there is a 2007. (eom)
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:23 PM
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31. The only reason I DON'T hope Chimpy chokes to death on another pretzel is
that I want him to live long enough to see himself savaged by history. I know that President Trainable has no use for history (his quote: "we'll all be dead"), but I suspect that his Inner Frat Boy will be unable to deal with the idea that everyone doesn't think that he's the coolest thing in khaki shorts.
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cawe24 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:27 PM
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34. Well, at least the next time an election
rolls around, the R's won't be able to cast any D candidates as "tax and spend Democrats."

So there's that...

Oh, and the crushing debt that will haunt our children's children's children.

So I guess there's that too...
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:27 PM
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35. Move over Helen Thomas, they'll be many more joining the chorus.
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 04:27 PM by oasis
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:32 PM
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38. If this vote was that close, and we had Landrieu
and a couple of others crossing party lines---I want to know the Dems and Repubs who crossed party lines. Anybody got that info?
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Kare Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:56 PM
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50. Its almost strictly a party split
Yea : 52 Members
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Ted Stevens (R-AK)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
Jon Kyl (R-AZ)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Wayne Allard (R-CO)
Mel Martinez (R-FL)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Charles Grassley (R-IA)
Larry Craig (R-ID)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Richard Lugar (R-IN)
Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
Norm Coleman (R-MN)
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Jim Talent (R-MO)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Elizabeth Dole (R-NC)
Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Pete Domenici (R-NM)
Mike DeWine (R-OH)
George Voinovich (R-OH)
James Inhofe (R-OK)
Gordon Smith (R-OR)
Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Arlen Specter (R-PA)
Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
John Thune (R-SD)
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Bill Frist (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
George Allen (R-VA)
John Warner (R-VA)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)

Nay : 48 Members
Blanche Lincoln (D-AR)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Ken Salazar (D-CO)
Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
Joseph Lieberman (D-CT)
Joseph Biden (D-DE)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Barack Obama (D-IL)
Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
John Kerry (D-MA)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Mark Dayton (D-MN)
Max Baucus (D-MT)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
John Ensign (R-NV)
Harry Reid (D-NV)
Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
Jack Reed (D-RI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
James Jeffords (I-VT)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Russ Feingold (D-WI)
Herbert Kohl (D-WI)
Robert Byrd (D-WV)
John Rockefeller (D-WV)

http://capwiz.com/nyt/issues/votes/?votenum=54&chamber=S&congress=1092&printer=1
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:21 PM
Original message
44 Dems, + Jeffords, plus Ensign, Coburn, and Burns
only 48 Senators care about the economic future of this country.

Anywho, it's nice to see all our Democrats on the same side for once. Even our black sheep.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:33 PM
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41. I sent Reid
this FAX, hope everyone will call or Email him also. Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, said Thursday that given Mr. Bush's record, "I really do believe this man will go down as the worst president this country has ever had." So Senator why are you dammed afraid to support Senator Feingolds censure resolution???

Lifelong Democrat Fed Up With spineless Democrat Leadership
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:03 PM
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79. you got it, vpilot
Mine will go out tomorrow.




Cher

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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:41 PM
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45. And Reid as one of the Senators that let him become it.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:47 PM
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47. Thanks for stating the obvious
Now, what are you going to do about it?
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:48 PM
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48. DUers thought Bush was Worst President Ever "Before it was Cool"
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 04:50 PM
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49. Man, DUers are a tough crowd.
File this one under "Damned if you do, damned if you don't."
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:09 PM
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51. it's like this every day
you haven't noticed?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:21 PM
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53. Of course I noticed.
It's a big place. Lots of different people, with lots of different opinions.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:30 PM
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70. Actually it's all me
I have over 30,000 personalities, and I like typing

:crazy:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:47 PM
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56. People are even upset at Feingold for not going far enough and calling for
impeachment. I don't know :shrug:

Harry did a good thing here and I think it deserves a WOOT!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:43 PM
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61. I'll add that to my list of other
"damned if you do/don't" files. It's quite a long list.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:17 PM
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52. Okay Mr Obvious. lol
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:26 PM
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54. Feingold for Minority/Majority leader!
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 05:55 PM
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58. Well then Harry. Why don't you really do something about it
and kick his butt as hard as you can?????????
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:02 PM
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59. Instead of condemning Reid
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 06:16 PM by MsMagnificent
(which I don't care one way or the other about)
why not focus on the actual issue?
I mean, can't we use our voices in a more constructive way than trashing a cowering, imperfect Democratic politician (keywords which appear to be part & parcel of their inviolate job description for that type of 'Murkan these past 15-20 years).

In a Wing-Nut-Shell, they are is "the Party of Fiscal Responsibility", right?
That's how they define themselves, in the past and incredibly still do in the present. Shouldn't that be something practical and effective for Democrats to discuss
--with whoever will listen--
again and again and again?

A meme perhaps? A talking point?
--pointing out explicitly and imminently clearly the Republican hypocrisy, of which they have NO defense for.
Double talk and propaganda work well against abstract ideals; especially against the professed ideals of those who will not, whether through fear or otherwise, defend such
...but cold hard numbers don't lie.

Personally I'd then load just on a lil bit about rampant Corporate Welfare, where the receiving companies are posting record-breaking outrageous gains; while the "Compassionates" cut benefits to our students, our Veterans, our elderly, and especially the poor.
If you want to read pure vileness, read some Freeper or Freeper-type columns about 'those lazy NO freeloaders who won't get a job and want the government to provide everything for them'; so obviously the travesty of government mishandling is THE VICTIMS OWN FAULT!
Really disgusting!

True sons & daughters of Babs Bush, every single one of them :grr:


Just MHO -- dog nose, I've been plenty wrong before :P


(edit: cleaning up usually horrendous grammar -- I'm sure it's still far from perfect ;)
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:06 PM
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63. SO, REID, SUPPORT THE CENSURE
damn it. :banghead:
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:13 PM
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64. Harry's right. Bush is already in bottom ten of all time.
He could stick there or fall further.

He could definitely make the bottom five.
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aredwhiteinblue Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:14 PM
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65. Reid sucks
Harry Reid is a freakin' asshat!
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:25 PM
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68. wow what a great first post.
you really are getting off to a fine start aren't you.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:11 PM
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76. Hey... Welcome to DU!!!
:hi:
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:14 PM
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77. fantastic first post...
i remember my first post, cheney is a dip shit!!, with fond memories.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:29 AM
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90. ah...yes, but cheney was a repuke!
and dipshit was being kind to him!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:40 PM
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97. Woo hooo!! You rock!!! How original!!! Bush loves ya baby!
Keep up the great work! :hi:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:48 PM
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100. LOL! And he probably loves Bush! Did you notice his name?
A red white in blue ??? hmmmmm...

blue state?
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:21 PM
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66. The worst President and the worst Senate/Congress the U.S. has had. n/t
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:24 PM
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67. Then, do something about it!
Don't just spill same old BS... doing nothing. I wan to see action!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:29 PM
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69. I really do believe you're right Harry...
so what the hell are you gonna do about, just sit by and let him screw us at every turn?

:mad:
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Midnight Rambler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:36 PM
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71. Worst... President... Ever!!!
Edited on Fri Mar-17-06 07:36 PM by Midnight Rambler
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Laxman Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:57 PM
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74. A Message From the Warren G. Harding Booster Club
The Warren G. Harding Booster Club would like to take this opportunity to heartily thank the fool in the White House for lifting the club's namesake from the bottom of the list. 80 plus years of looking up at all of the other presidents has given old Warren a stiff neck. It's great not to be last anymore. However, for the good of the country, here's hoping Mr. Harding will only be next to last from here on in.
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JohnnyLib Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 10:37 PM
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85. Harding Club
Love it. Thanks!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:02 PM
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75. Not a matter of 'belief.' It is incontrovertible fact.
Be The Bu$h Opposition - 24/7
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free_belmont Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 08:46 PM
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78. really?
why don't you fucking do something about it, Reid?

Like supporting the CENSURE initiative? Talking is worth shit.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:10 PM
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80. Sorry, Harry. . .until you do something than offer lip service
you words are hollow and mean jack shit!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:26 PM
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82. This is worth repeating...
This is the worst congress ever.
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MCMetal Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:29 PM
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83. WOW
Talk about stating the obvious .............Any American that didn't already know this is just a Chimpy backer ( meaning hopeless ) , or just in a walking coma.
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 09:56 PM
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84. I Believe?
Isn't it a stone-cold fact at this point? It's going to take 16 years to recover from 8 years of this presidency.
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:19 AM
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88. The Dem's need to...
Censure! Impeach! Indite!Incarcerate!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:29 AM
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89. Dear DINOs... !!!DO WHAT HE DOES!!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:35 AM
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91. I like this guy!
:bounce:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 12:38 AM
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92. I agree with Reid o this one, and I'm not afraid to say it!
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:12 AM
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93. I sincerely hope you are right senator.
I hope he and his henchmen are not so adept at oppressing dissent that he suppresses the publications of historians who write the truth.
I hope all our news stations do not turn into copies of Fox.
I hope all our newspapers do not turn into the Washington Times.
I hope our country does not turn into a dictatorship or a third world nation, all of which seem possible with Bush in charge.

I hope, for all our sakes, that the senate has a good reason for not signing onto the censure resolution. Could it be that you are waiting for a favorable setting so that it will pass? Or do you feel that it will negate the need for impeachment?
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 01:52 PM
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98. So, I was reading the responses to Reid's pronouncement.
Here's my take on it. Number one, Thanks Sen. Reid for acknowledging the obvious. We've had some pretty bad presidents in our history, but this one tops 'em all. As for him not supporting the censure - I don't know. The majority of Americans know Bush is at least incompetent and censure-worthy, even if not all will admit it. I think many are in denial of the election-day choice they made.

As for Reid, he's playing a political game. I don't know if he's right or wrong - none of us do. Let's focus on the goal - we need majority in Congress. Public opinion is not yet firmly set on impeachment - that's the reality for now. If we make rash choices, RW rags (which control the media by the way!) will use it to shape elector opinion. WSJ (which is mainstream in the business world) has already started running editorials saying that we only have one thing on the agenda - impeachment, and "that's what will happen if you give majority to the Democrats". As we saw in '04, the average voter is quite gullible. Stolen election argument aside, tens of millions voted for him when he had ZERO record to run on.

I want one thing and one thing only - kick Repubs out of power. I want to win the mid-term election and get majority, whatever it takes.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:51 PM
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101. well said. and it does take balls to say that when you are in congress.
the man's approval rating may rise again...and he could become popular again..

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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-18-06 02:59 PM
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102. glad you pointed that out
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