Somebody Needs To Smack Obama and Schumer Upside Their Heads!

[leftchick]

If this doesn't prove how thouroughly out of touch these DC Dems are I don't know what does....

Democrats leery of call for censure
Rebuke of Bush may backfire, some fear

<snip>

"It's not impeachment, but it's not something you apply lightly," Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said. "And whether we want to start applying censure motions or impeachment when there are questions about a president's authority in national security is something that you have to be judicious about."

Four days after Feingold announced the resolution on the Senate floor, Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa was the lone Democrat to lend his name to the proposal. At a news conference Thursday, Feingold conceded, "You know, many in my caucus don't want to talk about this.

<snip>

"Democrats have to focus on average voters and their needs and not get diverted by other things," said Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, who leads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. "That's where we'll find success."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0603 ...



Stupid MFers. Average Voters care that the fuckhead in the WH BROKE THE LAW and you so called leaders are giving him a pass! That is the issue, That is our NEED!!

:argh: :argh: :argh:

[katty]

1. tired of Shumer behaving like he speaks for ALL

[PATRICK]

10. Shumer's been chirping spritely

since he racked up that easy plurality in his reelection. The greast spokemsman and mediator in too mnay things lately. And Obama.

If you can't say something nice about doing the right thing, silence IS golden. Or at least not worse than silence.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. he loves the limelight too much. And a mirror.

gawd what a disappointment.

[julialnyc]

37. and he does a hell of a lot of speaking

he always seems to be the spokesperson for the democrats. Why can't we do a better job of getting more voices out there (I get a head-ache from Shumer)

[ananda]

2. They've already been smacked..

.. out of their minds.

Dems act like abused wives.

ugghh

Sue

[xchrom]

3. ...

''"It's not impeachment, but it's not something you apply lightly," Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said. "And whether we want to start applying censure motions or impeachment when there are questions about a president's authority in national security is something that you have to be judicious about."

one of the dumber statements i've heard yet re: censure.

obama may want to see if he's related to rumsfeld if he keeps that up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. And yet another example of why Nader was right

even if for the wrong reasons....

[TomInTib]

5. I wonder what it will take to make these people start ...

acting as Americans instead of as candidates?

[MADem]

6. I think they are playing for time, frankly

Monkeyboy has managed to grab the news cycle with his touting of that Operation Schwanger (though I have actually heard, in the lamestream media, no less, accusations that he is PLAYING the thing solely for political gain, and since there are NO press allowed and no independent photographers covering this, no one really knows what is going on). The administration can't keep tossing lousy DOD images at the press and expect them to eat them forever, but what they are trying to do is DISTRACT long enough to get over the CENSURE hump. The Dems want to stretch it out...so we just need to keep talking about it, in neighborhoods, in call-in shows, in LTTE's, at any and every opportunity.

[EST]

7. Obama, despite his terrific eloquence, has been a stinging

disappointment, for me.

[madokie]

12. I'll ^5 that

[katty]

20. he's a player, a golden boy...can't always read him

[BuyingThyme]

23. He takes "look presidential" advice on everything.

A sure sign of a non-leader.

[julialnyc]

30. He's not always a disappointment with me, but he's not consistent

he's certainly not consistent.

He'll go on Meet The Press and be amazing-- and then two days later go against everything I thought I heard him "standing for".

He sticks his neck out-- and quickly tucks it back in.

He's definitely not on my most bothersome Democratic list, but I think he's too careful and persuadable.

[BiggJawn]

32. I think Obama is trying to convince people...

That Evan Bayh and him were separated at birth.
The DLC's newest and brightest star!

[EST]

38. Sad...

I was so impressed by his thoughts, expressed so clearly--kinda like Russ Feingold impresses me, now. I told everybody about him. Told people if they had any lingering doubts about whom to support, vote for Obama. I had never met him in person, but did all the research I could and listened to every speech he ever made - well, not every one, but as many as I could get to. Hell, I had to undergo heart surgery and I preached to the attending and all the other staff and visitors I could manage a segue with. I really believed in this man, as much belief as I can invest in a human being.
My first hint came with his speech at the dem convention: it just fell to the floor with a "flup," but I sucked it up and hoped for the future.
I still have high hopes for him but I cringe every time someone mentions him in connection with president or veep: first, he has no experience and second, the fire I'm looking for looks a lot like plain old ambition.
Maybe I'm all wet, but, like any other cool cat, I am not happy about it.

[julialnyc]

40. he is hard to figure out

I don't think he's that bad--- I've found him to be a beautiful speaker at times.

He just won't take a chance of making some controversial (but necessary) moves

[EST]

44. Yes, beautifully eloquent.

I shall still give him the benefit of the doubt but, in these threating, time limited circumstances, my patience grows shorter.

[bluethruandthru]

8. I guess I'd better send a note to Shumer

and tell him that I NEED a president who follows the LAW! I'm tired of the media and my elected officials letting this maniac do whatever the hell he wants to! It's obvious that the lack of accountability is making bush feel invincible again! He's saber-rattling at Iran right now and I'm sure he feels it's his perogative to launch a military assault. The hell with what Congress thinks...Remember, he thinks they gave him the right to do anything when they authorized the use of force to stop "terrorism".

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

9. I just tried the link to the Trib and it doesn't work.

Is this from today's edition?

I want to read the whole article before I send a scathing letter to Sen. Obama.

[leftchick]

27. new link that works

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0603170142mar17,1,4018338.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

sorry!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

35. Thanks, I will spend my afternoon writing a letter to Sen. Obama.

WTF is wrong with these people? Can they not read the Constitution of the US???

Oh, and big FU to Rahm Emanuel as well. Gutless wonder that he is...

:mad: :mad:

[Cyrano]

11. I agree with you, leftchick. For some reason, they're intentionally

ignoring Dems who live in the real world. And they're also showing us that they think they have a better chance of staying in office through cowardice rather than doing what's right.

Somehow, in some way, we need to elect Democrats with courage and who give a damn about this country.

[leftchick]

28. I think it may be too late

I can only think of a handful that are worthy of voting for. The rest are so compromised by groups like the DLC it is useless. I fear we are past the point of no return and it is called a dictatorship. :(

[Ganja Ninja]

13. I'm not impressed by Obama at all anymore.

He strikes me as someone that stands less on principal the higher he climbs up the political ladder.

[EST]

39. I'm not intending to be picky.

But you just made a (unintentional?) funny and it tickled me. It looks like the further up the ladder he climbs, the more he stands on principal rather than principle. Money does talk, I suppose.

[mattclearing]

14. It drives me crazy when Hillary and Schumer call voters "average."

Or "ordinary," or "regular."

When will these people learn that people don't like to be condescended to like they are "little people?"

It's infuriating.

If you call people average or ordinary, they won't care if you address their concerns.

They will be too busy feeling insulted and voting Republican.

Idiots!

:banghead:

[katty]

22. Hil & Schumer view themselves as: the dynamic, brilliant duo

and they can hardly wait to taste some real power once bush&buds are out...they will make sure they are at the head of table when the big shift takes place.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

15. Obama is the biggest disappointment since the Titanic's maiden voyage.

So much PR, so much promise (so his people said) and so much brave integrity. Oh, really?

I haven't seen it. I see a man who trembles and wets his pants at the thought of disrupting McCain. With one shrug and two line sentence, McCain caused him to shake like a leaf. I see a man who prefers the veneer of polite discourse, while forgetting that this nation and our freedoms were forged in burning coal, with sweat, hard work and risk-taking. I see a man who uses his color, his money and his education for personal advantage, without regard of his duties to the constitution, the country and his state, much less his nation. Ah, yes, the more polite the discourse, the better our nation becomes. If Obama were a fire chief, he would sit down and discuss the rules of fire-fighting etiquette while the building collapsed.

To call Obama risk-averse is to call the Pacific wet.
To call Obama a pretty-boy dillitante is to call Rumsfeld and Rice a pair of walking, stalking clusterfucks.

[leftchick]

24. woo hoo!

post of the day here! I would love to send this thread to those two meatheads and have them sit down and read every last word!

:thumbsup:

[RazzleDazzle]

36. and so much DLC influence - bah!

and before you DLC lovers jump, I don't CARE if Obama is a member or not; listed or not. Far too many of his positions and pronouncements have tracked right down the line with the DLC, so wherever he got it, it's STILL DLC-inspired or influenced. And to that I say: bah!

[genie_weenie]

16. While the Dems claim

they represent their constituents, by the time you reach the level of Federal Government and Congress you have sold out so much and most realize they have more in common with the Republicans than with common Americans.

[librechik]

18. and a backfire would be worse than now because...?

me, I'm a lot more regretful about things I should have done, but didn't than I am about stupid stuff I did that backfired on me. But that's just me.

AND 80% of the dems that want you to DO SOMETHING!!! DON"T HANG BACK AND HIDE!!! WHAT ON EARTH COULD IT HURT??? THEY HATE US ANYWAY!!!!WILL THEY REALLY HATE US MORE AFTER?????????????????????????????????????

[oc2002]

19. Yes, because us dumb motherfuckers do not care that the pres broke the law

Is our leadership this stupid?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

25. in a word? yes.

[Greyhound]

29. Not stupid. Owned. Never make the mistake of believing these

politiwhores are stupid. They now exactly what they're doing, and that is lending credibility to the incredible, in exchange for continued sponsorship.

Vote your conscious!

[julialnyc]

21. I have such mixed feelings with Obama

I have such mixed feelings with Obama--- he can be terrific, and then turn right around and do something so aggravating! Shumer frequently gets on my nerves!

why can't he take his own advise? Look at this From Maureen Dowd's column
http://www.topplebush.com/oped2603.shtml

snipped....
Everyone was curious to hear Barack Obama, the Democratic speaker. He arrived last year as a star (at Washington's dreary formal press dinners), then lapsed into a cipher, even getting punk'd by John McCain last month. In the capital's version of "Dancing With the Stars," Senator Obama won, turning in a smooth, funny performance that lifted him from his tyro track.
He tweaked fellow Democrats, telling the white-tie crowd: "Men in tails. Women in gowns. An orchestra playing, as folks reminisce about the good old days. Kind of like dinner at the Kerrys."
He mocked the president's unauthorized snooping, saying he'd "asked my staff to conduct all phone conversations in the Kenyan dialect of Luo." He advised W. to "spy on the Weather Channel, and find out when big storms are coming."
After saying he'd enjoyed the Olympic biathlon of shooting and skiing, he, deadpan, turned to Dick Cheney: "Probably not your sport, Mr. Vice President."


snipped...
But the clever, elegant performance by Mr. Obama -- who is intent on keeping his head down in the Senate until he, too, can be a tedious insider -- underscored the Democratic vacuum. Not only do the Democrats "stand for anything," as Mr. Obama semijoked, but they have no champion at a time when people are hungry for an exciting leader, when the party should be roaring and soaring against the Bushies' power-mad stumbles. They should groom an '08 star who can run on the pledge of doing what's right instead of only what's far right

[LeaveIraqNow]

26. You have to pick and choose your battles.

While censure/impeachment is the right thing to do and probably what they want to do, they know its doomed to fail as all republicans will vote against it. They just dot want to fight a battle that they cant win, wait until we win back the house and senate and you will see every democratic congressperson racing to put their name on the impeachment of Chimpy.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

31. True, if you bring the troops to a battle. if the battle comes to you, no!

The religious right is now pursuing pressure tactics on the GOP, demanding more social legislation.
The funding for Iraq is over $400 BILLION DOLLARs, or $16,000 for each man, woman and child (those who survived) in Iraq.
The Patriot act is a fact, not a nightmarish fiction.
The line between church and state is dissolved, not just blurred.
The Supreme Court is now populated by bigots and politicized jerks, bent on changing our country.
The respect (hard-earned and expensive) we once had is obliterated. Today, America is viewed widely as the source of danger, not a potential ally and a probable solution.
Our debt, formerly a GOP hot topic, grew to $9 TRILLION! or 30,000 for each American.
(I seem to recall that we used to be running a small, but growin surplus.)
The Tax cuts have destroyed the middle class while rewarded the top 0.10% of the income earners.
Graft and corruption are running wild, in Louisiana, Afghanistan, Iraq, and DC.
The EPA is proposing increasing limits on killer chemicals, and has stopped all enforcement litigation.
The DOJ concentrates on marijuana and destroys its civil rights department.
The HHS CUTS FUNDING to the most needy, and rewards religious institutions.
We bar payments to AIDS victims in Africa unless they accept our leaders' religious protocols.
Joblessness is growing, the middle class has lost serious income over the past 5 yrs, and people are going hungry - HUNGRY in our big cities. The richest country in the world and we have people without food. What kind of shit is that?


I'd say that the battle has been brought to us. They are fighting our rights and the best we have to offer as a country, and they are taking it apart, piece be piece. Once that happens, you don't have the choice to pick and choose. You must defend your country and your rights at every step of the way. Period.
Survival does not occur when you "pick and choose" your battle. If you do that, you have already lost the war.

[leftchick]

45. there are not many battles left to fight

it is obvious their wait and see bullshit is a cover for the fact that they do not care about us! They are bought and paid corporate shills, just like the repukes.

[julialnyc]

49. exactly... it would have been nice if we had tackled this battle

before it had to BE a battle

[julialnyc]

34. You always have to take a chance of losing to accomplish anything big

We would get nowhere in this world if people only joined the battles they knew with certainty they would win .One of our biggest problems in politics is getting people to stick their neck out for something that they very well could lose without realizing that losing a good fight does not make them a loser (if their ideas were right). Our politicians are far too cautious of their personal reputations and calculate there actions on what they project will make them look good down the road. Our leaders have to stop thinking of their political futures and start leading in the moment (this in the end will actually help their political aspirations-- but it does involve taking a chance)

[RazzleDazzle]

33. Problem is, Schumer

we don't see you finding ANY success, you bloviated, obviously WAY overpaid POS:

"Democrats have to focus on average voters and their needs and not get diverted by other things," said Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, who leads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. "That's where we'll find success."

[EST]

42. I watched Schumer's entire Alito rant on c-spin and formed a

high opinion of him. Sad to see my little playhouse dashed again, I suppose. Too trusting...

[DrGonzoLives]

41. Wow

A year and a half ago, people were hailing Obama as the second coming. You all do know he's never claimed ot be some great leftist warrior, right?

[joanski0]

43. This realls ticks me off --

"Democrats have to focus on average voters and their needs and not get diverted by other things," said Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, who leads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. "That's where we'll find success."

What the *&$% is he talking about? Just what have they done for the "average voters and their needs". Looks like the Repukes win everything to me.

[leftchick]

46. it is simply amazing

these two have completely exposed themselves as corporate whores the same as repukes.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

47. sad, isn't it? Schumer, I understand. W/Obama, I simply was fooled. again.

[robbedvoter]

48. Not disappointed with Obama. never expected much - after all media had

endorsed him. The mighty media NEVER praises someone trully brave (i.e.- Clark). Only phonies such as Powell, McCain< Obama, Hillary. Do not take your cues from the media. Ever.
As for Scumer, I knew who he was when he lead the attacks against Clinton on "Pardongate". He never disappointed since then either.

[lanah]

50. lying us into war is not something I take lightly

Killing innocents to make money for his buddies is not something I take lightly.

Bush is a danger to our country. Common sense and decency demand we push for impeachment now.

[newyawker99]

51. Hi lanah!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[newyawker99]

52. .

[spanone]

53. Isn't that just how the Republicans felt about Clinton impeachment?

Pussies.