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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:12 PM
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Dick Armitage vs Stephen Hadley


{1} "That Armitage is the likely source is a fair assumption"
-- quote attributed to Ben Bradlee by Marie Brenner, Vanity Fair, 3-14-06

There was an interesting response to the "news" that Ben Bradlee had revealed the secret identity of Bob Woodward's source of Valerie Plame's identity to a Vanity Fair reporter. Even on progressive internet sites, I noted that some who are sincerely interested in the case stated that Bradlee had confirmed that Woodward's source was Dick Armitage. While it is certainly possible that Armitage did tell Woodward about Valerie Plame, it may be worth our taking a closer look.

First, we should note that this is at best a distraction from the actual grand jury investigation and the court case of Scooter Libby. On February 24, 2006, Jason Leopold reported, "In another development in the leak case Friday, U.S. Judge Reggie B. Walton said another administration official, who does not work at the White House, also spoke to reporters about Plame Wilson. This individual, according to sources close to the case, works at the National Security Council.

"Walton said that Libby's defense team is not entitled to be told of the individual's identity because the person is not charged with a crime in the leak. However, the person is said to be one of several people in the administration who is cooperating with the probe." ("White House 'Discovers' 250 Emails Related to Plame Leak"; TruthOut; 2-24-06)

On February 25, 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported, "Walton also said Fitzgerald could keep secret the identity of another government official who allegedly revealed the identity of Plame to journalists before Robert Novak first disclosed it July 14, 2003, in a syndicated column. .... Libby's lawyers apparently were targeting a third official who talked with reporters during that period, including Washington Post reporter and editor Bob Woodward." ("Libby's Team Plans to Subpoena Media" by Richard Schmitt)

Also, in his article yesterday, Jim VandeHei noted, "Fitzgerald has not concluded his investigation, but people involved in the case said he has not shown interest in Woodward or his source since Woodward testified last year." ("Magazine: Bradlee Knows Woodward's Source on Plame"; Washington Post; 3-14-06)

While the identity of Woodward's source is not at issue in the grand jury investigation or in Libby's case, it is apparently one of the things the supporters of Libby want to use to distract the public. Thus, let us introduce some "evidence" of interest into the court of public opinion.

{2} "The basis for this was an unsubstantiated report from British intelligence that Iraq had recently attempted to buy uranium oxide, known as 'yellowcake,' from Niger. The CIA was unsure of this for a number of reasons and had shared its concerns with the British. A former ambassador, Joseph Wilson IV, had been sent to Niger to check out the report and had found nothing to substantiate it. The CIA memo recommended that any reference be dropped from the Cincinnati speech, and it was."
-- Bob Woodward; "Plan of Attack; page 202

Soon after Patrick Fitzgerald announced that he had indicted Scooter Libby on five offenses related to the Plame scandal, and stated that Libby was the "first known" administration official to leak Plame's identity to journalists, Bob Woodward remembered something important. An administration official had told him in a " 'casual' and off-handed manner that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA." ("CIA Leak Path: Cheney, Libby, Woodward"; Jason Leopold; TruthOut; 3-6-06)

In a November, 2005 appearance on Larry King Live, Woodward went into more detail: "I went, 'Whoa,' because I knew I'd learned this in mid-June, a week, ten days before. I then went into incredibly aggressive reporting mode and called the source the beginning of the next week," and the source said to Woodward at least three times "I have to go to the prosecutor." ("Woodward Provides Clues about His Source"; Jason Leopold; TruthOut; 11-22-05)

Leopold's article later notes that Woodward "made a stunning announcement last week when he revealed that he was told about Plame Wilson in mid-June 2003 by 'current or former administration officials'." Hence, from Woodward's earliest accounts, it is clear that he was less than honest with his audience when he "publicly discounted the importance of the Plame Wilson leak and had referred to Fitzgerald as a 'junkyard dog' prosecutor." (Leopold; 3-6-06)

It is worth our noting that in his 468-page book, "Plan of Attack," the #1 national bestseller described by the New York Times Book Review as, "Instantly essential ... By far the most intimate glimpse we have been granted of the Bush White House, and the administration's defining moment," Mr. Woodward's entire examination of the Wilson/Plame/yellowcake scandal is found in the single paragraph quoted above. Some "incredibly aggressive reporting mode," there! If Mr. Fitzgerald is a "junkyard dog," I suppose it is fair to describe Mr. Woodward as a "lap dog" for the administration.

{3} "I don't think I said it."
-- Ben Bradlee; Washington Post; March 14, 2006

According to Jim VandeHei's article yesterday, Bob Woodward did not tell Ben Bradlee who his source -- or perhaps sources, if "current or former administration officials" is accurate. Bradlee was told by someone else. Woodward is quoted in the article as saying, "He is not in the management loop on this. Maybe he was alerted from somebody else, if in fact he did learn" the identity. Bradlee is quoted as saying, "I know who his source is, and I don't want to get into it ... I have not told a soul who it is."

Thus, Ben Bradlee could not "confirm" the identity of Woodward's source. At very most, he could confirm that someone other than Woodward had told them who they believed the source was. There is a fair amount of interest in this, in part because of Judge Walton's recent ruling, and in part because of friends of Libby and Judith Miller are attempting to make it an issue.

Last night on MSNBC, Norah O'Donnell reported on CountDown that numerous people "know" who the source actually is, but none will tell her, even off the record, who it is.

Yesterday, on The Huffington Post, Larisa Alexandrovna, ripped the Vanity Fair article, and told readers abouther work on the team that had identified Woodward's source as Steve Hadley. She noted that the Vanity Fair articcle "was written by Judy Miller's best friend, Marie Brenner," and in a wonderful line said, "In Brenner's 'I love Judy please believe her' article" had misrepresented Bradlee's "it is reasonable to assume" as an eye-witness identification.

{4} "A few days after Rice's interview, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees announced that they were going to look into the prewar intelligence, including the uranium claim. I called the staffs of both committees and volunteered to brief them about my trip and findings. I ended up briefing them separately within a few days of each other in mid-June, disclosing what I knew to the appropriate oversight bodies."
-- Joseph Wilson; "The Politics of Truth"; page 419

In his article "Woodward Provides Clues about His Source" (TruthOut; 11-22-05), Jason Leopold quotes from a Washington Post article that identifies Stephen Hadley as serving as the liaison between the White House and Senate Intelligence Committee. Hadley was helping to "sift through intelligence with the help of the CIA," and attempting to identify what classified information could be released without damaging the agency or national security. One can conclude that it is likely that the administration, which had begun its "work up" on Wilson in March, was aware that he had briefed the congressional agencies.

In "Plame Whistleblowers Targeted by Administration" (TruthOut; 2-24-06), Leopold notes that sources said witnesses in the grand jury investigation had testified that "Stephen Hadley had worked directly with senior officials from Vice President Cheney's office -- including Libby, Cheney's National Security Adviser John Hannah, and White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove --during the month of June to coordinate a response to reporters who had phoned the vice president's office and the NSC about the administration's use of the Niger documents."

In his article, Leopold wrote that Woodward, by narrowing the dates of his conversation with his "source," helped boil down the list of potential suspects "to two: National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage." A Time magazine article (7-31) had provided information that appears to create a time frame that reduces the chances of Armitage being the source. But, more importantly, Leopold notes, "However, attorneys close to Fitzgerald's probe have fingered Hadley as Woodward's source."

Larisa Alexandrovna also noted, "Hadley as Woodward's source was also confirmed by The Sunday London Times." ("Karl Shoots Blanks at Plame"; 3-15-06)

{5} "I've also seen press reports from White House officials saying that I am not one of his sources. It is what it is."
--Steve Hadley; response to reporters' asking if he was Woodward's source

Neither of these "suspects" has either confirmed or denied that they were Woodward's source. I think that it is interesting to consider if Stephen Hadley, Dick Armitage, or someone else told Woodward about Wilson's wife working at the CIA. Could it be both? Neither? Someone else? And was the source (or one of them) also Bob Novak's source?

I believe Larisa Alexandrovna and Jason Leopold's reports are accurate. Of course, their sources could be mistaken. But they seem to have far better information that a quote Ben Bradlee may have made, but which appears to have been -- at very best -- taken out of context by Judith Miller's friend.

Finally, as Judge Reggie Walton ruled, it is of no significance in Scooter Libby's trial.."


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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:17 PM
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1. Thanks, H2O Man
Gonna have to put a new file on my computer just to bookmark all your great essays!

hell, gonna need more memory on the drive!

Can I burn file copies to save them?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:36 PM
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5. I'm thinking of
forcing my son to put a bunch on a disc for me. Two days ago, one of my sons was on the computer, and suddenly he looked like a light bulb, and then there was a lot of loud thunder. No warning before the lightning struck. Yikes! Another modem.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:56 PM
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9. Put 'em all on discs, make several copies. Store in different places
It could be VERY important in the long run.

And tell him to let us know if anything ever happens to you. The posse WILL be assembled.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:27 PM
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2. "it is of no significance in Scooter Libby's trial.."
Your damn straight who leaked the name and when has nothing to do with OOJ, Lying and perjury, Fibby was not charged with leaking Plame's name only lying and impeding the investigation.

I think if anything comes out of this we see that Armitage is cooperating with Fitz, I base this on Armitage's history in the military and his vocal displeasure with the WH in his last days in the NSC. He wouldn't work to help the WH in fact he may one of the people that has supplied vital emails and what not to Fitz. I feel that Armitage has an axe to grind in regards to soldiers getting killed over a lie and him being ex-military and all.

None of this still answers the question of why Fibby lied and obstructed the investigation.

H20 Man do you know if the GJ is meeting today or Friday, I recall that Walton is due to hand down a ruling this Friday?? Correct?

Lastly is David Schuster on vacation? I was surprised to see Miss prissy pants in his place last night on countdown.

Can't wait for Leopold's next article he has been a little quiet lately.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:38 PM
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6. I think the court
hearing is still on for Friday. I do not know if the grand jury is meeting today. I wish I could wander through the building ......
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 04:53 PM
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13. I feel like kicking something
Kick!!!
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:28 PM
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3. If the administration can't sabotage the Plame case they are
history. This is a good time to watch and see who is doing their bidding. Just as Judy Miller was bait while she was in jail; Hadley is bait now. I was watching another website and believe plants are trying to sow CONfusion - you give them credit for being well meaning - I don't.

The blogosphere is killing them and I believe it is now the target of operatives planting stories, offering distractions and complicating the story to the max. Disinformation and psyops has been their modus operandi in war and war includes politics. They are fighting for their life and all the weapons are unsheathed. The only reason that it is not more obvious is that they are not as good at it as they once were.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 07:56 PM
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20. You mean Armitage is bait, no?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:32 PM
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4. Thank you H20 man.
You trudge through the mess and make it comprehensible for the rest of us. Thank you for bringing a critical eye to all of the red herrings that are lobbed out to distract and confuse. You provide us an invaluable service. :toast:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:44 PM
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7. DU: best morning paper in the world.
Thanks, H2O Man.

:thumbsup:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:57 PM
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10. It makes for nutritious lunchtime reading, too.
H20 Man, as always: :yourock: K&R.

Today I'm thinking it's Hadley, in the Conservatory, with the wrench. I moved him from the Lounge -- they already have enough going on in there.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:50 PM
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8. Days after the SOTU in 2003, Hadley was still hawking the uranium claims
In a Chicago Tribune op-ed days after the SOTU, Hadley repeated the allegation that “the regime has tried to acquire natural uranium from abroad.”

So, how credible is it that Hadley knew the details of the arrangement where Joe Wilson's wife asked him to go to Niger, was attentively involved in some phase of the White House campaign against Wilson and his wife, and is still allowed to claim that he "forgot" to tell the president the uranium claims were bogus?

Woodward heard Valerie Plame's name from Hadley while he was researching the book. Hadley was quoted in the book as thinking Rumsfeld didn't take the CIA reports seriously enough. So then he goes out at the end of the SOTU and claims that he forgot to tell Bush the claims were phony, then goes out days later and continues the deception.

He's just a tangle of BS.

I think Woodward was trying to minimalize the way the info was conveyed to give cover to Hadley or others to say that it was an offhand comment that they 'forgot'. But, I don't think that will make any difference to the prosecutor. Easy enough for the actors to agree to downplay the info as they related it to reporters and as they revealed the link between Joe Wilson's trip to Niger and his CIA wife.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:48 PM
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11. Kick for the lunch time crowd
:kick:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:47 PM
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12. So What Does Judy Have Against Dick?
I understand that this is another stab at distraction but God, it's so flimsy. Interesting that Marie B. didn't dare use an exact quote from Bradley that said it was definitively Armitage. As far as I was concerned that word assumed left the door right open. Girl Run Amok had better be careful, she's still in the cross hairs with AIPAC and the Muslim charity thing. And that may be why she's still trying to wreck things, aside from her "legs in the air" affection for Scooter, because she knows FitzG. still has his sights on her.

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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 05:06 PM
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14. Awesome as always...
My fav quote is the "I then went into incredibly aggressive reporting mode" LOL!!! Woodward is indeed a lap dog extraordinare...

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 05:58 PM
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16. Right.
He goes into this ultra aggressive mode, then waits 60 hours to call the guy.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 12:40 PM
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37. It reminds me of Matthew Cooper's "double super secret background"...
Why do these 'journalists' sound like Robin talking to Batman?

"Holy 'double super secret background', Batman! I better go into 'ultra aggressive mode' to fight the Joker!!"

Bizarre! lol
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 12:54 PM
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38. maybe we can get Wonder Woman to fight them in her invisible plane
LOL - snark snark snark :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I just can't help myself, Wonder Woman commenting on Batman, Robin and the Joker what are the odds.

:rofl::rofl:

Comical if you ask me - no pun intended.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 01:25 PM
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39. I only use my invisible plane and magic lasso for fighting evil!
Batman is an ally! And Robin... ok, Robin has got to go...

LOL! I hadn't even noticed that connection! Now that's ironic! I chose my Wonder Woman icon because there's a new WW movie coming out and the person writing the screenplay is one of my favorite writers. (Joss Whedon)

But if I could, I'd use my magic lasso to force * and the entire administration on national TV to admit they were crooks!

Now, excuse me while I go get my Amazon Rainforest coffee... :evilgrin: It's hell being an Amazon warrior, fighting crime when you are jonesing for your next caffeine fix! lol
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 05:52 PM
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15. Hadley certainly seems to have the proper pedigree for this.
It would surprise me if it was Armitage. It is amazing how some in the press change ambiguous statements into "truth" that supports a RW view. Even Hadley's statement "I've also seen press reports from White House officials saying that I am not one of his sources. It is what it is." has been used to prove that he denied being the source. It neither confirms nor denies, but non-denial denials like this often mask the truth.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet Hadley over Armitage.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 06:17 PM
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17. Timing is everything.
And the timing on this makes me think it is part of the expected neocon offensive.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 06:22 PM
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18. Well It Certainly Is Offensive
no surprise there
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 06:50 PM
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19. There is more to come.
They will be attempting to lie and discredit and spread gross disinformation in the next eight weeks. There will be ugly things said about those who are in the progressive media. I do not say that in the sense of advocating accepting anything and everything that someone who claims to be a liberal, independent, progressive, or radical journalist writes. In fact, there may be some who disguise themselves as progressive who are not.

Strange days indeed.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 08:35 PM
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21. We should have a list of those we recom.
I for one read:

MSM
Dana Priest
Walter Pincus
James Risen
James Bamford
Tom Hamburger
Michael Smith
Sy Hersh
Murray Waas
Jim Moore
Helen Thomas
Jim Meek
to name a few

Free/Indie/Alt
John Byrne
Jason Leopold
Miriam Raftery
Will Pitt
Greg Palast
Brad Friedman
to name a few

Bloggers (there are so many, so I will really just limit to my daily top few):
H20 Man (DU)
Luke (Wotisitgood4)
Empty Wheel (next Hurrah)
Amato (Crooks and Ls)

just limited myself to my top 4, trust me there are loads!!!!!!!!!

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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 08:41 PM
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22. This link has several progressive sites for news including RS and ones
you named, it could use truthout.org and a few others but it is a pretty good hub for news. Between this page and DU one can get a ton of information.

http://www.solarbus.org/election/realnews.shtml
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:34 PM
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25. delete
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 10:08 PM by sheelz
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 08:54 PM
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23. K&R and bookmarked. H2OMan where is your DU journal button? Your
posts would definitely be a primary reason that I would ever use this feature....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:13 PM
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29. Well thanks.
I'll have to look into that.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 02:23 PM
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40. Please do! We could access all of your wonderful posts at once. They
all are so thoughtful and thought-provoking, that many require serious time and study. (I have so many of your posts bookmarked.) I'll be checking for your journal sign!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:24 PM
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24. kicked, recommended and bookmarked
another great read.

Al sends his regards :hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:58 PM
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26. Brother Al
was asking me about you, CatWoman. Something about you and him going out to the desert to watch the star.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:08 PM
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27. luckily there's a very full moon tonight
finding that oasis shouldn't be a problem for me at all :D
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:10 PM
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28. Bring your poetry book
that one by Walt 1/2 Whitman will do.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:20 PM
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30. I'm hacking up furballs on that one
*hack*
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:33 PM
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31. You know
there's a lot of funny stuff on DU:GD tonight. Lotta competition. So I had to bring out something wicked.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:39 PM
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32. heh
it's all good :hi:

you're a funny guy :hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 10:41 PM
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33. I'm holding back
on a half-dozen threads tonight. Not everyone thinks I'm funny. It's a good thing that you have a sick sense of humor.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 11:03 PM
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34. OT waterman
Yours was one of the journals I really looked forward to reading--are you going to have one or just maintain your own personal blog?
Thanks!
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 08:32 AM
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35. I Suspect Stephen Hadley As Well
The State Department had been isolated from the inner-circle for war planning because the WhiteHouse Iraq Group feared unauthorized leaks to the press. Further, Colin Powell first learned of Plame-Wilson while in Africa. Why would Armitage know this and keep it from Powell? Everything points to somebody from WHIG as the source and Hadley was the point man for WHIG. Obviously, my data is from various news and Blog accounts so I am armed only with common sense. That has led me from the beginning to suspect Hadley as a key player in this leak.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 09:19 AM
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36. Common sense
is needed to interpret the information that is being presented to the public. The administration and its various supporters are attempted to dilute common sense with a combination of fear and lies. The number one goal of progressives should be to appeal to the common sense of the general public.
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